Fantasy Trade Thread

[youngcrev]

Could probably just get Bruce Brown for the cheap if you wanted that type of player.

He was on social media a few days ago saying he missed the best Nets teammate he's ever had too

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I think Dort is a significantly better player than Brown. Brown presents similar issues to Thybulle offensively (not that comfortable shooting, and teams can schematically ignore him). Not quite to the same extent since Matisse is all time bad on offense for a perimeter guy, but he's also not as good on the other end.

Dort's not a good shooter yet, but he'll let it fly, and that's half the battle. I also trust him more as a man defender than Matisse.

Additionally, if he was gonna be cheap, I imagine he'd be staying put.

He just won't have the same liberties he does in OKC on any good roster. I still don't get why the basketball world thinks Lu Dort is a good basketball player. He's currently on a god awful roster taking an inefficient 15 shots per game, isn't a stopper defensively, cannot make plays for others via passing and is a very very poor rebounder.

What's his role here in Philadelphia? Unless you envision him as a shot creator, he's going to be operating in the same role as Thybulle or Bruce Brown which is doing the dirty work, taking defensive challenges, being a pass outlet, knocking down shots that come his way.

The only reason I would be interested in paying out real assets for Dort is if you believed he could turn his chucking into efficient 3 point shooting because of his already high volume and solid FT numbers. ATM though he's like a flat soda Marcus Smart, but actually worse at everything.

I think he's the best man defender of the 3 being talked about. Strong, quick feet, fights through screens. Obviously, Matisse has a major advantage in terms of generating turnovers, where he's as elite as it gets, but he can't get through a screen, and the ratio of dumb fouls to blocks on those rear contests with him chasing is a killer.

Thybulle is the better overall defender, but he's just such a liability on the other end that it doesn't matter.

Are Dort's offensive numbers inflated and little inefficient by on bad team? Absolutely. I envision him more as a 10 ppg guy here, on increased efficiency with him cutting out a lot of the above the break stuff for better looks from the corners, where he shot 43% this year.

[stormi]

I think he's the best man defender of the 3 being talked about. Strong, quick feet, fights through screens. Obviously, Matisse has a major advantage in terms of generating turnovers, where he's as elite as it gets, but he can't get through a screen, and the ratio of dumb fouls to blocks on those rear contests with him chasing is a killer.

Thybulle is the better overall defender, but he's just such a liability on the other end that it doesn't matter.

Are Dort's offensive numbers inflated and little inefficient by on bad team? Absolutely. I envision him more as a 10 ppg guy here, on increased efficiency with him cutting out a lot of the above the break stuff for better looks from the corners, where he shot 43% this year.

I think he's the worst defender personally and a sham player, but in general it just doesn't feel like a needle moving deal for an undersized wing that doesn't play bigger than his frame.

Dort has a rebounding rate of 6.5% which is below Shake and Kork. We're going to pony up two of last assets to pair a 6'3 small forward with Maxey and Harden? You need Thybulle to move Harris' deal and per the Stepien we couldn't trade that '22 pick anyways.

If you wanted a similar player without having to move assets - Gary Harris shot 46.5% on corner 3's this year on higher volume than Dort and is probably an MLE candidate.

[youngcrev]

I think he's the best man defender of the 3 being talked about. Strong, quick feet, fights through screens. Obviously, Matisse has a major advantage in terms of generating turnovers, where he's as elite as it gets, but he can't get through a screen, and the ratio of dumb fouls to blocks on those rear contests with him chasing is a killer.

Thybulle is the better overall defender, but he's just such a liability on the other end that it doesn't matter.

Are Dort's offensive numbers inflated and little inefficient by on bad team? Absolutely. I envision him more as a 10 ppg guy here, on increased efficiency with him cutting out a lot of the above the break stuff for better looks from the corners, where he shot 43% this year.

I think he's the worst defender personally and a sham player, but in general it just doesn't feel like a needle moving deal for an undersized wing that doesn't play bigger than his frame.

Dort has a rebounding rate of 6.5% which is below Shake and Kork. We're going to pony up two of last assets to pair a 6'3 small forward with Maxey and Harden? You need Thybulle to move Harris' deal and per the Stepien we couldn't trade that '22 pick anyways.

If you wanted a similar player without having to move assets - Gary Harris shot 46.5% on corner 3's this year on higher volume than Dort and is probably an MLE candidate.

They can trade their pick this year. The actual trade would have to happen after the draft, but they can agree to select a player for someone.

[PhillyFan11]

I’m a big fan of Patrick Williams’s potential and think he would be an awesome fit with our roster. The rumors of Bulls interest in Thybulle got me playing with the trade machine…not sure how realistic this is, or if the Bulls would even entertain a convo on Williams

Sixers trade: Thybulle, Springer, Niang, ‘23 2nd
Sixers Receive: Williams and Olynyk

Bulls trade: Williams
Bulls Receive: Thybulle, Springer, Niang, ‘22 2nd (#46), ‘23 2nd
Is this way light for Williams? Assuming probably is…

Pistons Trade: Olynyk and ‘22 #46 pick
Pistons Receive: Danny Green

Pistons are geared up for big cap $ and are willing to trade the 2nd to clear Olynyk’s full 12.8M. Sixers happily take that cap hit back because Olynyk and Reed would be a great backup big duo.

[the_process]

Chasing after that undersized forward, stocky guard hybrid secondary ballhandler I'd value Dort after Bruce Brown who's shown he can fit within the crux of a winning offense and is a better defender and rebounder.

Josh Hart is the créme of this archetype though.

Josh Hart is taller than those other two. He can actually man the 3. I also trust him shooting the ball more.

[the_process]

This bleacher report trade idea popped up on my Google feed:

Thybulle and our 1st for Lu Dort

In terms of deals that keep a lot in place, I think that's one that could help quite a bit, particularly with the lack of toughness. Pretty mediocre shooter, but he's at least willing, and he competes. Add him and a guy like Batum in free agency and this team could compete.

Saw a more interesting deal on B/R: Collins and salary (presumably Gallinari) for Harris and Thybulle.

[stormi]

This bleacher report trade idea popped up on my Google feed:

Thybulle and our 1st for Lu Dort

In terms of deals that keep a lot in place, I think that's one that could help quite a bit, particularly with the lack of toughness. Pretty mediocre shooter, but he's at least willing, and he competes. Add him and a guy like Batum in free agency and this team could compete.

Saw a more interesting deal on B/R: Collins and salary (presumably Gallinari) for Harris and Thybulle.

Don't mind it at all.

Harris shot 5.4 3's per 100 this season @ 36.7%
Collins shot 5.2 3's per 100 this season @ 36.4%

You're getting a similar threat from deep that's a much better defensive presence and rebounder.

A vertical threat is also so needed beside James Harden who's game is even more predicated on timing and unpredictability than it was in Houston with Capela.

He needs the rolling lob pass option of JC to open up the floor for him at attack the rim or as an outlet to punish swarming defenses.

Gallo provides a Niang upgrade.

Harden
Maxey/Milton
()
Collins/Gallinari/Reed
Embiid/Bassey

x: Green/Springer/Korkmaz/Niang

[youngcrev]

I don't think Collins makes us better than Harris, but you'd have to do it based on age/cap flexibility.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Collins is actually a fairly large upgrade over Tobi. Meshes more naturally with our offense and provides help side defense that this team desperately needs next to Embiid. Probably a worse point of attack defender against wings than what we saw from Tobi in the playoffs tho. I think his verticality would be a big addition and having another dangerous roll man will take some of the burden off Embiid to constantly be the center of the offense. I’d do that trade in a heartbeat.

And if we’re looking for some dog mentality, that dude definitely has it.

[stormi]

Collins isn't a 48 minute rim protector, but he has absolutely no hesitation about taking the challenge down low and using his size, length and athleticism to cause deterrence at the rim. And we really need that considering Embiid typically likes to step up on screens during p&r actions leaving us vulnerable to quick passes or second chance opportunities off rebounds. A big body like Collins that has no issue rotating down low to fill his position would provide massive benefit.

This kind of defensive intensity coupled with monster rebounding, a lob threat and similar shooting from deep makes it seems like a heist to me. Not to mention Collins is on a fair contract.

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Doesn't seem realistic, but if Morey can pull it off...

[ankle420breaker]

Harris, Thybulle, Korkmaz for Collins/Huerter

Harris/Thybulle for Brogdon/Warren

Thybulle/Korkmaz/Niang for Collin Sexton and Cedi Osmon

[Jailblazers7]

Harris, Thybulle, Korkmaz for Collins/Huerter

Harris/Thybulle for Brogdon/Warren

Thybulle/Korkmaz/Niang for Collin Sexton and Cedi Osmon

Hell yes to trade #1. I’d throw draft compensation & a fat stack of cash in too to make that happen.

Harden
Maxey
Heurter
Collins
Embiid

That’s an awesome starting 5. Gives Embiid his white sniper DHO partner too. Then use the MLE to sign like Gary Harris or Bruce Brown and now we’re cooking with gas.

[zaz102]

I would love that. Seems too bad for Atlanta to me though.

[Jailblazers7]

I would love that. Seems too bad for Atlanta to me though.

For sure, Collins for Tobi is already a tough sell for Atlanta and adding Heurter makes it even worse. Gallo/Collins feels at least semi-possible.

Props to playoff Tobi for making this an actual possibility. A year ago I was ready to trade Ben Simmons for Collins and now we could possibly get him for Tobi? If that happens I’ll send him a new Kindle and like all his updates on Goodreads.

[ankle420breaker]

I would love that. Seems too bad for Atlanta to me though.

I'd throw in one of Reed/Bassey/Springer along with a 2nd rounder or two

[Kobblehead]

No thanks to John Collins.

We don't need another big money, non-star.

[76ciology]

Collins isn't a 48 minute rim protector, but he has absolutely no hesitation about taking the challenge down low and using his size, length and athleticism to cause deterrence at the rim. And we really need that considering Embiid typically likes to step up on screens during p&r actions leaving us vulnerable to quick passes or second chance opportunities off rebounds. A big body like Collins that has no issue rotating down low to fill his position would provide massive benefit.

This kind of defensive intensity coupled with monster rebounding, a lob threat and similar shooting from deep makes it seems like a heist to me. Not to mention Collins is on a fair contract.

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Doesn't seem realistic, but if Morey can pull it off...

Yes and he is a lob threat for Harden.

The problem i have with Collins is i have doubts that his defense and rebounding was more of optics but it might be because he plays a lot with Capela (who’s a hardworking defensive/rebounding C than Embiid).

If not Collins, maybe Okongwu instead?

[the_process]

Collins isn't a 48 minute rim protector, but he has absolutely no hesitation about taking the challenge down low and using his size, length and athleticism to cause deterrence at the rim. And we really need that considering Embiid typically likes to step up on screens during p&r actions leaving us vulnerable to quick passes or second chance opportunities off rebounds. A big body like Collins that has no issue rotating down low to fill his position would provide massive benefit.

This kind of defensive intensity coupled with monster rebounding, a lob threat and similar shooting from deep makes it seems like a heist to me. Not to mention Collins is on a fair contract.

Watch on YouTube

Doesn't seem realistic, but if Morey can pull it off...

Yes and he is a lob threat for Harden.

The problem i have with Collins is i have doubts that his defense and rebounding was more of optics but it might be because he plays a lot with Capela (who’s a hardworking defensive/rebounding C than Embiid).

If not Collins, maybe Okongwu instead?

I do remember something about the Sixers talking with ATL about Simmons, and then when the idea of adding Tobias was opened, ATL supposedly ended talks.

There are 3 teams who all have star players with no clear #2 and either bad contracts or cap space to burn: Portland, Washington, and Utah. Sixers can use Thybulle as a sweetener if necessary. Break that contract up into multiple usable pieces.

[ankle420breaker]

Collins isn't a 48 minute rim protector, but he has absolutely no hesitation about taking the challenge down low and using his size, length and athleticism to cause deterrence at the rim. And we really need that considering Embiid typically likes to step up on screens during p&r actions leaving us vulnerable to quick passes or second chance opportunities off rebounds. A big body like Collins that has no issue rotating down low to fill his position would provide massive benefit.

This kind of defensive intensity coupled with monster rebounding, a lob threat and similar shooting from deep makes it seems like a heist to me. Not to mention Collins is on a fair contract.

Watch on YouTube

Doesn't seem realistic, but if Morey can pull it off...

Yes and he is a lob threat for Harden.

The problem i have with Collins is i have doubts that his defense and rebounding was more of optics but it might be because he plays a lot with Capela (who’s a hardworking defensive/rebounding C than Embiid).

If not Collins, maybe Okongwu instead?

I do remember something about the Sixers talking with ATL about Simmons, and then when the idea of adding Tobias was opened, ATL supposedly ended talks.

There are 3 teams who all have star players with no clear #2 and either bad contracts or cap space to burn: Portland, Washington, and Utah. Sixers can use Thybulle as a sweetener if necessary. Break that contract up into multiple usable pieces.

Thybulle wasn't attached last year, but yeah it still may not be enough.

It'll take some diligence and savvy, but I do think we have an opportunity to get better via a Harris/Thybulle package. Pivotal summer for Morey.

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[Jailblazers7]

Maybe I’m crazy but I actually kinda like a Tobias for Lavine S&T for the Bulls of Lavine wants out. I think they’d be pretty strong defensively with Lonzo, Caruso, Pat Williams, and Tobias. Their offensive ceiling would be lower but the roster would be pretty well balanced.

Derozan and Tobi both expire in 2 years giving them a pretty easy exit ramp to rebuild or chase some 2024 FA which is a pretty good FA class.