Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

76ciology · Post #1561 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:02 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:I think the one thing we can all agree on is that there is ALOT of talent in the NBA.

Yup. Thats why nobody should be untouchable. You are rooting for THE TEAM not THE PLAYER

76ciology · Post #1562 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:16 pm

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Another young player who’s playing well recently. I jumped off the Kilian Hayes train long time ago.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1563 » by **Jailblazers7** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 5:15 pm

Happy for Killian Hayes for sure. The NBA is always better when talented guards like him figure it out.

Great for the Pistons too. I’d be looking to trade him for a young wing with his trade value boosted.

the_process · Post #1564 » by **the_process** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 9:53 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Happy for Killian Hayes for sure. The NBA is always better when talented guards like him figure it out.

Great for the Pistons too. I’d be looking to trade him for a young wing with his trade value boosted.

Hayes for Thybulle? I'll take that shot even though we know Hayes immediately turns back to a pumpkin as soon as he gets off the plane in Philly.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1565 » by **Jailblazers7** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 11:35 pm

the_process wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Happy for Killian Hayes for sure. The NBA is always better when talented guards like him figure it out.

Great for the Pistons too. I’d be looking to trade him for a young wing with his trade value boosted.

Hayes for Thybulle? I'll take that shot even though we know Hayes immediately turns back to a pumpkin as soon as he gets off the plane in Philly.

I’d honestly feel bad for him if he came to Philly. The poor guy just learned how to shoot a basketball and he’d be sent to the jump shot Bermuda Triangle.

76ciology · Post #1566 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 8:47 am

8 Rookies have attempted at least 30 pull up jumpers so far. Here are the 3 most efficient:
1) Andrew Nembhard - 45 att. (64.4 EFG%)
2) Jalen Williams - 33 att. (51.5 EFG%)
3) AJ Griffin - 62 att (50.8 EFG%)

Negrodamus · Post #1567 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 3:01 pm

Spoiler:

And NAW won them that game! Clutch final two steals.

mjkvol · Post #1568 » by **mjkvol** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 3:10 pm

Memphis knows how to draft and develop, that's for sure.

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76ciology · Post #1569 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 5:28 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Spoiler:
76ciology wrote:LOL was watching the entire game monitoring walker kessler. Then i decided to stop watching it once Clarkson drove to the basket and missed the potential game tying shot. Then JC was called for flagrant 2

I didnt know this happened

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Kessler btw

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And NAW won them that game! Clutch final two steals.

They’re so fun to watch. Reminds me of our “process era” team but with talent and the right type of talents and plays the right way.

Also interesting to learn that Ainge is a big fan of Olynyk

76ciology · Post #1570 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:20 am

Pels looks dominant

76ciology · Post #1571 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:48 am

Pistons made a mistake with drafting Duren. He’s more aesthetic than potential or substance.

Stewart, Bagley and Duren is a bad trio of bigs to be in a log jam with.

Ivey could be good but im not that high on him. I think he’s more of Jrue Holiday with worse shooting than next Ja Morant or something.

Cade shooting is also a big question mark.

The right picks IMO was Sharpe (free roll on upside) and Eason or Kessler (both guys’ numbers check out for me).

Kobblehead · Post #1572 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:55 pm

I like the Duren pick.

He's a great athlete built like a Greek god with potentially dominant rebounding and shotblocking abilities. He might even have some playmaking upside (based on his ball movement numbers at Memphis). I think there's a chance he could have a similar career to Dwight Howard. If he never reaches the defensive heights of Howard but improves his playmaking chops, he could be similar to Bam Adebayo. Either way, he's going to be a really good player for them over the next decade. He just turned 19 late in November.

I don't like the Jaden Ivey pick. I have very little patience for athletic guards with clunky skill level. They have to be a dominant defender for me to even get interested. Which Ivey is not. They should have taken Branham there and hoped Cade and Malaki could develop into a Gordon Hayward/Devin Booker duo.

Kobblehead · Post #1573 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:05 pm

Between Duren, Williams, and Kessler, I think Duren was the correct pick for the guy coming off the board first.

He's the youngest, he's the best athlete, and he's the best passer of the three. They're all quality bigs, though. Chet is the ace, but there are three other starting Cs in this draft behind him, IMO. Really strong draft for that C position.

76ciology · Post #1574 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:42 pm

He’s not good yet

I dont think he’ll be as good as Melton, specially after how hyped Melton is after the Laker game

But this is one of the guys who’s numbers check out for me in the draft

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Still.. i’d prefer Melton.

76ciology · Post #1575 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:44 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Between Duren, Williams, and Kessler, I think Duren was the correct pick for the guy coming off the board first.

He's the youngest, he's the best athlete, and he's the best passer of the three. They're all quality bigs, though. Chet is the ace, but there are three other starting Cs in this draft behind him, IMO. Really strong draft for that C position.

Which williams? Jalen Williams?

Duren.

Defensively he projects to be a Bam Adebayo type defender. Mobile, good rebounder, strong, athletic but not much of a rim protector (Duren 1.3 per 36 blks per game), this is consistent to his days in college.

Offensively, Duren is shooting below 50% on FTs. He is nowhere near as good as Bam. No disrespect, but Comparing Duren (.9 apg per 36) to Bam on offense is like comparing D12 to Jokic.

Overall, I think Duren will have a good career because of his tools and where he was drafted. He will get his opportunity to shine and he’d be great at it because he can be a switchable defended from 1-5, great defender and rebounder plus a great lob threat around the paint. Even Nick Claxton can play that role.

76ciology · Post #1576 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:05 pm

Kessler.

The reason why im high with Kessler is, first off his numbers check out for me and my metrics has been quite successfhl so far. Second, he has a lot of similarity with former DPOY in Gobert and current frontrunner for DPOY in Brolo, on defense. But Kessler is way more mobile, agile, quicker and athletic than both guys.

The blueprint to build around Kessler is the duo big unit that will increase in trend. Brolo and Giannis. Gobert and KAT. And we saw how successful the Kessler and Jabari Smith duo was. Jaren Jackson and Aquaman, Robert Williams and Al, Myles Turner and Jalen Smith and Zion and Jv should be in this mix.

These bigs should NOT be asked to anchor the defense by themselves like Gobert and the Jazz, rather they should play with someone who can co-anchor the defense and clean each other mess.

If Kessler steps out and gets beat, someone should be able to rotate to the paint then Kessler either rotates to the open perimeter player or rotates to the paint also if the offense plays cat and mouse around the rim.

Rooting kessler does two things for me. 1, my metric in scouting prospect. 2, my vision for the duo big frontcourt. Im just trying be aware on my bias just so i can quit and admit my mistake early if the landscape change

Negrodamus · Post #1577 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:18 pm

I still like Mark Williams and Christian Koloko better than the rest of the non-top centers in this draft. Mark is killing the g league and will eventually become at least a very good 2-way center in this league. Incredibly huge.

Kobblehead · Post #1578 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:21 pm

76ciology wrote:Which williams? Jalen Williams?

Duren.

Defensively he projects to be a Bam Adebayo type defender. Mobile, good rebounder, strong, athletic but not much of a rim protector (Duren 1.3 per 36 blks per game), this is consistent to his days in college.

Offensively, Duren is shooting below 50% on FTs. He is nowhere near as good as Bam. No disrespect, but Comparing Duren (.9 apg per 36) to Bam on offense is like comparing D12 to Jokic.

Overall, I think Duren will have a good career because of his tools and where he was drafted. He will get his opportunity to shine and he’d be great at it because he can be a switchable defended from 1-5, great defender and rebounder plus a great lob threat around the paint. Even Nick Claxton can play that role.

Mark Williams from Duke.

Bam went through A TON of development with his freethrows and playmaking to get to this point, though. It's not a fair comparison if you're looking at what Bam has become verses what Duren is at the start. Let's look back to their college output for a more fair perspective.

Adebayo at Kentucky: 65.3% free throw, 4.7% assist
Duren at Memphis: 62.5% free throw, 10.5% assist

Duren was actually a BETTER playmaker than Adebayo as a prospect.

Bam was a 20 year old rookie. Duren played the first three months of his rookie year at age 18. In two years, I bet his playmaking and free throws make major improvements and he looks a lot closer to Bam on offense (but far better on defense than Bam can even dream of).

Kobblehead · Post #1579 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:31 pm

In my viewpoint of the sport, bigs only add value once they develop an offensive trait of either shooting threes or becoming a playmaker.

Of all these bigs mentioned, I think Walker Kessler is the furthest away from doing either of those two things.

I still think he's the best shotblocker I've ever seen play basketball (said that during the college year last year), but if he just rebounds and blocks shots, there's only so much value he can actually provide.

76ciology · Post #1580 » by **76ciology** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:37 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:Which williams? Jalen Williams?

Duren.

Defensively he projects to be a Bam Adebayo type defender. Mobile, good rebounder, strong, athletic but not much of a rim protector (Duren 1.3 per 36 blks per game), this is consistent to his days in college.

Offensively, Duren is shooting below 50% on FTs. He is nowhere near as good as Bam. No disrespect, but Comparing Duren (.9 apg per 36) to Bam on offense is like comparing D12 to Jokic.

Overall, I think Duren will have a good career because of his tools and where he was drafted. He will get his opportunity to shine and he’d be great at it because he can be a switchable defended from 1-5, great defender and rebounder plus a great lob threat around the paint. Even Nick Claxton can play that role.

Mark Williams from Duke.

Bam went through A TON of development with his freethrows and playmaking to get to this point, though. It's not a fair comparison if you're looking at what Bam has become verses what Duren is at the start. Let's look back to their college output for a more fair perspective.

Adebayo at Kentucky: 65.3% free throw, 4.7% assist
Duren at Memphis: 62.5% free throw, 10.5% assist

Duren was actually a BETTER playmaker than Adebayo as a prospect.

Bam was a 20 year old rookie. Duren played the first three months of his rookie year at age 18. In two years, I bet his playmaking and free throws make major improvements and he looks a lot closer to Bam on offense (but far better on defense than Bam can even dream of).

That one i didnt know. Yeah, maybe Duren can be like Bam on offense but I just dont see it now.