Fantasy Trade Thread

[ankle420breaker]

Lavine (S&T) and Coby White for Harris, Thybulle, Springer, future protected 1st.

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[Jailblazers7]

Lavine (S&T) and Coby White for Harris, Thybulle, Springer, future protected 1st.

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My guess is that the Bulls fight to keep Coby if Lavine gets traded.

I think that Lavine/Green for Tobias/Matisse would be the core trade. Doubt we’d give up a 1st just because Bulls have no leverage in this scenario but who knows.

Lavine also trains with Drew Hanlen so Embiid could play a recruiting role here.

[the_process]

Maybe I’m crazy but I actually kinda like a Tobias for Lavine S&T for the Bulls of Lavine wants out. I think they’d be pretty strong defensively with Lonzo, Caruso, Pat Williams, and Tobias. Their offensive ceiling would be lower but the roster would be pretty well balanced.

Derozan and Tobi both expire in 2 years giving them a pretty easy exit ramp to rebuild or chase some 2024 FA which is a pretty good FA class.

But there's no way the Bulls can justify that trade, even with Thybulle added. Also, LaVine will be BYC because of his massive upcoming raise, therefore it's hard to match salary on that deal without a third team with cap room.

[Jailblazers7]

Maybe I’m crazy but I actually kinda like a Tobias for Lavine S&T for the Bulls of Lavine wants out. I think they’d be pretty strong defensively with Lonzo, Caruso, Pat Williams, and Tobias. Their offensive ceiling would be lower but the roster would be pretty well balanced.

Derozan and Tobi both expire in 2 years giving them a pretty easy exit ramp to rebuild or chase some 2024 FA which is a pretty good FA class.

But there's no way the Bulls can justify that trade, even with Thybulle added. Also, LaVine will be BYC because of his massive upcoming raise, therefore it's hard to match salary on that deal without a third team with cap room.

The history of S&T’s is pretty sh*tty because the teams giving up talent don’t really have any negotiating leverage. Look at what the Bulls gave up for Lonzo & Derozan last year. Lavine’s max would be 212M for 5 years so I think Tobi + Matisse would be enough to match salary. I’m no cap expert tho so don’t hold me to that.

Edit - just saw an article that the most that Lavine could get in a S&T is 4 year/157m.

[the_process]

Offer from the trade board:

Randle and Reddish for Tobias.

I don’t love it, but I’d probably do it. Maybe you can flip Randle elsewhere.

Reddish is a blockhead, but maybe if you tell him to just defend and shoot 3's he'll be okay.

[stormi]

Offer from the trade board:

Randle and Reddish for Tobias.

I don’t love it, but I’d probably do it. Maybe you can flip Randle elsewhere.

Reddish is a blockhead, but maybe if you tell him to just defend and shoot 3's he'll be okay.

Deal. Sorry.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Offer from the trade board:

Randle and Reddish for Tobias.

I don’t love it, but I’d probably do it. Maybe you can flip Randle elsewhere.

Reddish is a blockhead, but maybe if you tell him to just defend and shoot 3's he'll be okay.

I'm taking that deal. Both Randle and Reddish will drive you crazy. They'd fit perfectly with all the other players on this roster that drive us crazy. Embiid with the injuries/pouting, Mattise and his foolery, Shake and his bi polar role, Harden being Harden, Paul Reed who could become the next Mareese Speights, That damn mini van breaks down all the friggin time too! Maxey is really the only one we don't cry about and a lot of us would trade him for Donovan Mitchell so he too can drive us crazy. Yeah...Bring on Randle and Reddish.
I do feel like Harris for Randle is a fair trade overall. However, New York is going to hand the keys to Toppin next year and Harris would have to find a way to fit in to all of that. It looks like Barrett and Toppin are going to take that team into the future along with whatever pick they get in the draft.
For us, Randle isn't a huge upgrade over Harris if at all. There would still be a big question as to how he'd fit with Embiid, but if can find a way to make it work, he would give us things that Tobias doesn't. He's certainly a much better rebounder than Harris and he plays with a mean streak. Those are two traits we've all talked about with this team in terms of what it lacks. Randle can also hit threes, and has shown to be a playmaker from his position at times, he is also an underrated passer from what I've seen, as well as a glorified ball hog that can stagnate an offense at times with erratic chucking. Of course, there have been times where I would rather see Harris just start trying to score all the time as opposed to just shrinking in big games.
Overall, I think it's a give and take sort of trade. The Randle/Embiid pairing sounds like a lot of fun and potentially awesome if Randle could ever buy into playing defense. I don't necessarily like Cam Reddish, but he is still somewhat of a young prospect, and I do think he was done dirty in New York once he was traded there. I don't think Reddish will ever be a star, but he does play a very valuable position in this league and he still has some upside to his game. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he eventually carves out a career for himself as a serviceable 3&D wing in this league. His numbers aren't terrible, and he's got the size, build, and athletic ability to really improve if he wants to. He's only 22 years old. There are 22 year old prospects in this draft. He's worth the gamble in my opinion. Both of them are.

[stormi]

I do the deal purely for the reasoning of asset creation. I don't think Harris or Randle are all that different value wise in the grand scheme of things so the idea of adding in a free Cam Reddish who is young, athletic, defends and can shoot is appealing to me.

As for Randle vs. Harris:

Both are garbage defenders
Randle is a ferocious rebounder and gets to the line more
Harris is a better jump shooter and more efficient
Randle is a sneaky great passer and doesn't suffer (too much) from tunnel vision
Harris' albatross expires in two years. Randle, while making slightly less money is on the books until 2026

I mean this deal isn't great. Not sure I trade Harris for Randle 1 for 1. I'd probably want Randle flipped immediately anyways.

[the_process]

Offer from the trade board:

Randle and Reddish for Tobias.

I don’t love it, but I’d probably do it. Maybe you can flip Randle elsewhere.

Reddish is a blockhead, but maybe if you tell him to just defend and shoot 3's he'll be okay.

Deal. Sorry.

NYK gets Harris
PHI gets Reddish, Bledsoe, and Hart
POR gets Randle

[JRoy]

Offer from the trade board:

Randle and Reddish for Tobias.

I don’t love it, but I’d probably do it. Maybe you can flip Randle elsewhere.

Reddish is a blockhead, but maybe if you tell him to just defend and shoot 3's he'll be okay.

Deal. Sorry.

NYK gets Harris
PHI gets Reddish, Bledsoe, and Hart
POR gets Randle

No thanks from POR.

POR has a lot of problems but Blue and Orange Julius isn’t one.

[PhillyFan11]

Portland takes on Tobi + Shake and ‘23 2nd for Bledsoe and Hart

Flip Hart with Thybulle, Springer and pick #23
to Atlanta for Collins.

Use the MLE on starting SF

Trade Green’s expiring contract for a more useful bench piece

Sign a vet min C

Might have to wait, but Bledsoe’s contract will be a valuable trade chip for more bench help/possibly upgrade starting 3.

Harden
Maxey
TJ Warren/Kyle Anderson (MLE)
Collins
Jo

Reed, Niang, Korky, Vet min C, and Bassey are a passable bench to cover SF, PF and C, but would need Green and Bledsoe’s contracts to net another 2 good bench guards…not going to try and predict those trades, but seems fairly doable for Morey to pull off.

[JRoy]

Portland takes on Tobi + Shake and ‘23 2nd for Bledsoe and Hart

Flip Hart with Thybulle, Springer and pick #23
to Atlanta for Collins.

Use the MLE on starting SF

Trade Green’s expiring contract for a more useful bench piece

Sign a vet min C

Might have to wait, but Bledsoe’s contract will be a valuable trade chip for more bench help/possibly upgrade starting 3.

Harden
Maxey
TJ Warren/Kyle Anderson (MLE)
Collins
Jo

Reed, Niang, Korky, Vet min C, and Bassey are a passable bench to cover SF, PF and C, but would need Green and Bledsoe’s contracts to net another 2 good bench guards…not going to try and predict those trades, but seems fairly doable for Morey to pull off.

POR respectfully declines.

[PhillyFan11]

Portland takes on Tobi + Shake and ‘23 2nd for Bledsoe and Hart

Flip Hart with Thybulle, Springer and pick #23
to Atlanta for Collins.

Use the MLE on starting SF

Trade Green’s expiring contract for a more useful bench piece

Sign a vet min C

Might have to wait, but Bledsoe’s contract will be a valuable trade chip for more bench help/possibly upgrade starting 3.

Harden
Maxey
TJ Warren/Kyle Anderson (MLE)
Collins
Jo

Reed, Niang, Korky, Vet min C, and Bassey are a passable bench to cover SF, PF and C, but would need Green and Bledsoe’s contracts to net another 2 good bench guards…not going to try and predict those trades, but seems fairly doable for Morey to pull off.

POR respectfully declines.

I assume as a Portland fan you wouldn’t want Tobi in any (realistic) scenario? Which is understandable…

Not going to try and sell Harris as a great player or justify the contract, but as far as good players that can fit immediately around Dame while giving up very little, he actually seems like a decent fit. Are you expecting the Blazers to be in “win now mode” since Dame is seemingly staying?

[JRoy]

Portland takes on Tobi + Shake and ‘23 2nd for Bledsoe and Hart

Flip Hart with Thybulle, Springer and pick #23
to Atlanta for Collins.

Use the MLE on starting SF

Trade Green’s expiring contract for a more useful bench piece

Sign a vet min C

Might have to wait, but Bledsoe’s contract will be a valuable trade chip for more bench help/possibly upgrade starting 3.

Harden
Maxey
TJ Warren/Kyle Anderson (MLE)
Collins
Jo

Reed, Niang, Korky, Vet min C, and Bassey are a passable bench to cover SF, PF and C, but would need Green and Bledsoe’s contracts to net another 2 good bench guards…not going to try and predict those trades, but seems fairly doable for Morey to pull off.

POR respectfully declines.

I assume as a Portland fan you wouldn’t want Tobi in any (realistic) scenario? Which is understandable…

Not going to try and sell Harris as a great player or justify the contract, but as far as good players that can fit immediately around Dame while giving up very little, he actually seems like a decent fit. Are you expecting the Blazers to be in “win now mode” since Dame is seemingly staying?

I really hope the FO commits to a rebuild. They will probably pretend to contend for a few years and then rebuild when they fails utterly.

There is no deal for Tobias unaccompanied by multiple FRP that is remotely palatable to me. He is exactly the wrong kind of player to add.

That said, it seems likely that the FO will strike out on real difference makers and make some kind of godawful shortsighted move for an overpaid, underperforming veteran.

[PhillyFan11]

POR respectfully declines.

I assume as a Portland fan you wouldn’t want Tobi in any (realistic) scenario? Which is understandable…

Not going to try and sell Harris as a great player or justify the contract, but as far as good players that can fit immediately around Dame while giving up very little, he actually seems like a decent fit. Are you expecting the Blazers to be in “win now mode” since Dame is seemingly staying?

I really hope the FO commits to a rebuild. They will probably pretend to contend for a few years and then rebuild when they fails utterly.

There is no deal for Tobias unaccompanied by multiple FRP that is remotely palatable to me. He is exactly the wrong kind of player to add.

That said, it seems likely that the FO will strike out on real difference makers and make some kind of godawful shortsighted move for an overpaid, underperforming veteran.

Yeah I don’t disagree with your evaluation. My thoughts/hopes line up with your last paragraph. Blazers feel pressure to put pieces around Dame, but won’t be able to acquire any real difference makers and settle for a guy like Harris.

Dame-Simons-Little-Harris-Nurcik + the the #7 pick. Ehh could be worse really

[JRoy]

I assume as a Portland fan you wouldn’t want Tobi in any (realistic) scenario? Which is understandable…

Not going to try and sell Harris as a great player or justify the contract, but as far as good players that can fit immediately around Dame while giving up very little, he actually seems like a decent fit. Are you expecting the Blazers to be in “win now mode” since Dame is seemingly staying?

I really hope the FO commits to a rebuild. They will probably pretend to contend for a few years and then rebuild when they fails utterly.

There is no deal for Tobias unaccompanied by multiple FRP that is remotely palatable to me. He is exactly the wrong kind of player to add.

That said, it seems likely that the FO will strike out on real difference makers and make some kind of godawful shortsighted move for an overpaid, underperforming veteran.

Yeah I don’t disagree with your evaluation. My thoughts/hopes line up with your last paragraph. Blazers feel pressure to put pieces around Dame, but won’t be able to acquire any real difference makers and settle for a guy like Harris.

Dame-Simons-Little-Harris-Nurcik + the the #7 pick. Ehh could be worse really

So could cancer.

[the_process]

PHI gets Hart, KCP, and Kuzma
POR gets Korkmaz and McDermott
SA gets Harris and Bledsoe
WSH gets Milton, Thybulle, and Richardson

[JRoy]

PHI gets Hart, KCP, and Kuzma
POR gets Korkmaz and McDermott
SA gets Harris and Bledsoe
WSH gets Milton, Thybulle, and Richardson

POR not giving a player we like for this garbage.

[the_process]

PHI gets Hart, KCP, and Kuzma
POR gets Korkmaz and McDermott
SA gets Harris and Bledsoe
WSH gets Milton, Thybulle, and Richardson

POR not giving a player we like for this garbage.

It will be very interesting to see what Portland ends up with.

[JRoy]

PHI gets Hart, KCP, and Kuzma
POR gets Korkmaz and McDermott
SA gets Harris and Bledsoe
WSH gets Milton, Thybulle, and Richardson

POR not giving a player we like for this garbage.

It will be very interesting to see what Portland ends up with.

I expect to be both surprised and disappointed.