Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Negrodamus]

Tell me again how Fox has lead the kings to even a .500 record during his time there?? He hasn’t.

If Ben were on the kings as primary option. He would average 25/8/8 and people would be wow’d. Just due to the kings pace and transition and lack of defense.

What was Devin Booker's record with the Suns?

It’s Chris Paul leading suns. Not devin booker. We all know that.

So fox continuing on the kings means more losses.

Some players are better as the 2nd option.

If ben were on the kings. Kings would win more games than fox.

I don't know what this means. It'll be Embiid leading the Sixers, not Fox.

Fox as the second star is infinitely better than Ben faking the second star with our fake third star, Tobias.

[Tomjas]

Fox is a star?

[Negrodamus]

Yes, he's proven to be a 25ppg scorer on a bad team. Aforementioned Booker was a similar player. SGA also. Took DeRozan 4 seasons to no longer be on a garbage team. Zach LaVine and Brandon Ingram haven't even made the playoffs in their careers.

I'm not sure what's surprising about that statement. The bonafide superstars are the ones that carry their teams to the playoffs early in their careers. Secondary stars will put up big stats on bad teams and aren't able to carry them to the postseason.

[kuclas]

Yes, he's proven to be a 25ppg scorer on a bad team. Aforementioned Booker was a similar player. SGA also. Took DeRozan 4 seasons to no longer be on a garbage team. Zach LaVine and Brandon Ingram haven't even made the playoffs in their careers.

I'm not sure what's surprising about that statement. The bonafide superstars are the ones that carry their teams to the playoffs early in their careers. Secondary stars will put up big stats on bad teams and aren't able to carry them to the postseason.

Exactly.

So Fox or Ingram will become better players once they get on sixers as a secondary option down the stretch.

Right now our primary option is having a fatigued 7 foot 280 pound embiid initiate the offense from 23 feet outside the paint (see timberwolves 1 point double overtime loss) or Tobias Harris dribbling for 4 seconds in a 1 point loss to Boston).

Can fox or Ingram get better offense in the closing stretches of the games ? But can their presence keep the sixers within striking distance to get that close.

We know Simmons plus embiid can keep any game close to the final 2 minutes.

Embiid by himself can keep a game close to the final 5 minutes of a game.

Who can take us home? Beal? Fox? Ingram?

I could say CJ can be the closer in the final minutes of the game as well but Portland will need to add much more to even entertain the trade but Portland doesn’t have anything else.

[Tomjas]

If Fox is a star then so is Murray plus he’s cheaper

[Negrodamus]

Yes, he's proven to be a 25ppg scorer on a bad team. Aforementioned Booker was a similar player. SGA also. Took DeRozan 4 seasons to no longer be on a garbage team. Zach LaVine and Brandon Ingram haven't even made the playoffs in their careers.

I'm not sure what's surprising about that statement. The bonafide superstars are the ones that carry their teams to the playoffs early in their careers. Secondary stars will put up big stats on bad teams and aren't able to carry them to the postseason.

Exactly.

So Fox or Ingram will become better players once they get on sixers as a secondary option down the stretch.

Right now our primary option is having a fatigued 7 foot 280 pound embiid initiate the offense from 23 feet outside the paint (see timberwolves 1 point double overtime loss) or Tobias Harris dribbling for 4 seconds in a 1 point loss to Boston).

Can fox or Ingram get better offense in the closing stretches of the games ? But can their presence keep the sixers within striking distance to get that close.

We know Simmons plus embiid can keep any game close to the final 2 minutes.

Embiid by himself can keep a game close to the final 5 minutes of a game.

Who can take us home? Beal? Fox? Ingram?

I could say CJ can be the closer in the final minutes of the game as well but Portland will need to add much more to even entertain the trade but Portland doesn’t have anything else.

Fox takes us home. It’s not hyperbole to say he’s likely the faster player in the league with the ball in his hands. He can get to any spot on the floor and put immense amounts of pressure on the defense. On top of that, he’s now a three time 50+% 2FG shooter and is currently taking off in this season (I think he was 58% the last 10 games). Being able to have a guy who can also draw fouls at an elite rate with Embiid and hit them at a 70+% clip would take us home much better than whatever Ben was doing at the end of games.

We have our 3pt spammers right now. We need guys who can get in scoring situations when the 3s aren’t falling. Fox does that.

[Negrodamus]

If Fox is a star then so is Murray plus he’s cheaper

I’m not against Murray but they are two completely different players who are playing under different circumstances.

[spikeslovechild]

Yes, he's proven to be a 25ppg scorer on a bad team. Aforementioned Booker was a similar player. SGA also. Took DeRozan 4 seasons to no longer be on a garbage team. Zach LaVine and Brandon Ingram haven't even made the playoffs in their careers.

I'm not sure what's surprising about that statement. The bonafide superstars are the ones that carry their teams to the playoffs early in their careers. Secondary stars will put up big stats on bad teams and aren't able to carry them to the postseason.

Exactly.

So Fox or Ingram will become better players once they get on sixers as a secondary option down the stretch.

Right now our primary option is having a fatigued 7 foot 280 pound embiid initiate the offense from 23 feet outside the paint (see timberwolves 1 point double overtime loss) or Tobias Harris dribbling for 4 seconds in a 1 point loss to Boston).

Can fox or Ingram get better offense in the closing stretches of the games ? But can their presence keep the sixers within striking distance to get that close.

We know Simmons plus embiid can keep any game close to the final 2 minutes.

Embiid by himself can keep a game close to the final 5 minutes of a game.

Who can take us home? Beal? Fox? Ingram?

I could say CJ can be the closer in the final minutes of the game as well but Portland will need to add much more to even entertain the trade but Portland doesn’t have anything else.

Fox takes us home. It’s not hyperbole to say he’s likely the faster player in the league with the ball in his hands. He can get to any spot on the floor and put immense amounts of pressure on the defense. On top of that, he’s now a three time 50+% 2FG shooter and is currently taking off in this season (I think he was 58% the last 10 games). Being able to have a guy who can also draw fouls at an elite rate with Embiid and hit them at a 70+% clip would take us home much better than whatever Ben was doing at the end of games.

We have our 3pt spammers right now. We need guys who can get in scoring situations when the 3s aren’t falling. Fox does that.

To me anyways Beal is the much better player he is a guy who can do a bit of everything as it relates to facilitating the offense and unlike Fox he has an elite at times very good at others range to midrange game. He is still older than fox but he more lines up with Embiid as it relates to our current time table.

I also think beyond making Embiid more efficient on offense he'd also help out on defense one by replacing Curry who can't really defend (to the bench and allow doc to be more strategic about how he is used matchup wise) and two allow Embiid to get into his spots before receiving the ball which in turn allows him to save energy for defense. I also think Beal would match well with Maxey because Beal can play off the ball.

Fox and Maxey don't really work so beyond being the better player he is also the better fit. I mean Maxey and Fox doesn't work from a floor spacing perspective. Fox and Curry are really small and are going to get destroyed defensively. Beal and Maxey games compliment each other well Maxey may not be elite at getting to the rim like Fox but he is getting very good and he still is extremely young and figures to continue to get better. Beal Midrange and 3PT shooting work extremely well playing off that. It would sort of be an ideal solution. Maybe you'd also like an upgrade over Green but other than that I'd really like our group I also think it would make out favorite whipping boy Harris much better too. He can't be the number two but as a number three doc maybe able to get his offense back into being free and easy we saw last year where he wasn't forcing things

[Eyeamok]

If Fox is a star then so is Murray plus he’s cheaper

The 76ers got extremely lucky with Embiid and his injury why tempt the basketball gods ! I like Murray and he will probably go on to be a much better player than Fox, post injury. But you know if philly was to somehow trade for him he would never recover from this injury.

[stormi]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

[Kobblehead]

De'Aaron Fox is two years YOUNGER than Dejounte Murray. Murray is peaking and STILL a tier below Fox. There's no way he ends up a better player.

[Negrodamus]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

Fox
Ingram
Murray
Beal

Beal is obviously sticking around for a massive contract and I’m not sure he’ll be worth the amount he’s paid. If all were being paid the same, he’d go above Murray, maybe Ingram.

[stormi]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

Fox
Ingram
Murray
Beal

Beal is obviously sticking around for a massive contract and I’m not sure he’ll be worth the amount he’s paid. If all were being paid the same, he’d go above Murray, maybe Ingram.

What do you think we should do with Maxey and or Seth with the addition of Fox on this roster? Cause our guard position is quite little as is.

Not implying both need to be shipped out. Just wondering if you'd compound a Fox addition with another move.

[Mik317]

I;ve only ever seen Fox at Kentucky and when we play the Kings.

Loved him at Kentucky (was my guy for that draft before we traded up for Fultz)

Every guard with a pulse has looked like world beaters against us so its hard to really tell.

so I don't really have a horse in this race...

we are trading a flawed player who doesn't want to be here tho. Honestly as long as the main piece isn't old or outright trash.... it doesn't really matter at this stage. Fox may be good stats on a bad team guy....he is also 23 and plays a premium position...he will be movable if things go south.

[Sixersftw]

I'm not sure if I prefer Ingram or Fox at this point. I think I slightly lean Ingram but I can't really say I have strong feelings one way or another. I think Beal is the best player out of the group being discussed but his contract status spooks me.

[Skates]

A lot of the guys we or Morey wanted are having down years, from Lillard and Harden, to Fox, Beal, Halliburton, it’s almost like having your name in Simmons rumors is bad mojo. Definitely more worrisome with the older guys having tough years.

[eyeatoma]

If Fox is a star then so is Murray plus he’s cheaper

And injured, so no they're not the same.

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[Kobblehead]

A lot of the guys we or Morey wanted are having down years, from Lillard and Harden, to Fox, Beal, Halliburton, it’s almost like having your name in Simmons rumors is bad mojo. Definitely more worrisome with the older guys having tough years.

Toss Shai and Brogdon in there, too, as guys linked to Simmons trade having down years.

[eyeatoma]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

Beal, Ingram, Fox, Murray

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[Negrodamus]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

Fox
Ingram
Murray
Beal

Beal is obviously sticking around for a massive contract and I’m not sure he’ll be worth the amount he’s paid. If all were being paid the same, he’d go above Murray, maybe Ingram.

What do you think we should do with Maxey and or Seth with the addition of Fox on this roster? Cause our guard position is quite little as is.

Not implying both need to be shipped out. Just wondering if you'd compound a Fox addition with another move.

Maxey off the bench (where he belongs, tbh). Seth should be traded while his value is at its peak. That said, I wouldn’t expect other major moves till the summer. Morey will get the best value and let Doc figure out the rotations.