Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[Jhawk03]

And btw Tobias is technically in a contract year, we've all read enough books to know what that means.

Spoiler:

Tobias has read even more than you

The best thing to do is to chill and let things play out. Don't do anything stupid or rash, don't get caught up in a title window for Embiid, and don't make WIN NOW MOVES. This team won't win next year anyway and this board looks to be in 100% agreement on that (unless I'm wrong), so just counter punch through next season

[76ciology]

I'd trade Embiid before I trade Maxey, and it's not even close.

I think a lot of variables has to be considered before arriving to this.

If you think you wont be able to get enough talent to win with Embiid with Tobias’ expiring or the max capspace that Tobias’ expiring can give you and Embiid tells you he will ask to be traded to the knicks if you opt for “semi tank” which will hurt his “prime years” and branding, then thats the scenario you might choose that option.

[76ciology]

For the mean time, our mindset should not be on absolute on going after “x”. No need for Beal or Lillard.

Rather our mindset should be find multiple ways on how to moneyball our way into getting the value of “x” which Morey defines as “being creative”

To start, who are the guys who can get us atleast 20ppg without giving up the farm?

I see two names, Derozan and Rozier.

Who else? Kuzma or Jordan Clarkson? Jordan Poole? bogdanovic? Hayward? Hield?Julius Randle? Siakam? Immanuel Quickely? These guys may not be as big as Dame or Beal but these guys are hungry to win. These guys can be the players Butler or Jokic are playing around right now.

These guys have flaws but you can build a structure for them to be efficient like not being asked to carry the offense (i.e taking less bail out shots), biid generating gravity to ease up pressure on them and etc.

Think about Aaron Gordon. With the Magic he does not look like a winning player. But because Nuggets have Jokic and have a system/structure around him, it completely turned his career around.

Would Bam Adebayo be an allstar if he’s not playing for the Heat?

I also dont think Jamal Murray or MPJ would be better than Maxey or Kuzma if they played for the Knicks or Hornets.

Now, if you have multiple scorers. You then can run Nick Nurse type dribble drive offense with Biid playing that Siakam or Kawhi role to bail you out. Then everything starts to make sense

If you keep going after big names, we’ll all die here in an island waiting for a rescue boat to get us out. What im saying is, how about we build a boat by cutting these trees in the island to get us out of here. Be creative.

[Jhawk03]

I'd trade Embiid before I trade Maxey, and it's not even close.

I think a lot of variables has to be considered before arriving to this.

If you think you wont be able to get enough talent to win with Embiid with Tobias’ expiring or the max capspace that Tobias’ expiring can give you and Embiid tells you he will ask to be traded to the knicks if you opt for “semi tank” which will hurt his “prime years” and branding, then thats the scenario you might choose that option.

Embiid will be much like Lillard here, that's what I believe so no point convincing me otherwise.

[76ciology]

Btw this action was funny and yet i forgot about it until i saw it again now

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[76ciology]

I'd trade Embiid before I trade Maxey, and it's not even close.

I think a lot of variables has to be considered before arriving to this.

If you think you wont be able to get enough talent to win with Embiid with Tobias’ expiring or the max capspace that Tobias’ expiring can give you and Embiid tells you he will ask to be traded to the knicks if you opt for “semi tank” which will hurt his “prime years” and branding, then thats the scenario you might choose that option.

Embiid will be much like Lillard here, that's what I believe so no point convincing me otherwise.

It’s a different scenario.

Embiid has won the MVP, his people would be telling him to go for ATG status. Another thing is this is Philly and outside media likes to put a target on his forehead (because he’s so predictable and you can build a reputable career as an analyst by shorting his stock), and its so stressful for him if he just be like Dame chilling and focusing on his rap career.

It makes a lot of sense for Biid to escape and reset with the Knicks. but it also makes a lot of sense if Biid can take it a shot or two before going there.

[Jhawk03]

I think a lot of variables has to be considered before arriving to this.

If you think you wont be able to get enough talent to win with Embiid with Tobias’ expiring or the max capspace that Tobias’ expiring can give you and Embiid tells you he will ask to be traded to the knicks if you opt for “semi tank” which will hurt his “prime years” and branding, then thats the scenario you might choose that option.

Embiid will be much like Lillard here, that's what I believe so no point convincing me otherwise.

It’s a different scenario.

Embiid has won the MVP, his people would be telling him to go for ATG status. Another thing is this is Philly and outside media likes to put a target on his forehead (because he’s so predictable and you can build a reputable career as an analyst by shorting his stock), and its so stressful for him if he just be like Dame chilling and focusing on his rap career.

It makes a lot of sense for Biid to escape and reset with the Knicks. but it also makes a lot of sense if Biid can take it a shot or two before going there.

Well Embiid is too loyal for all the nonsense. I don't mean to speak as if I know him personally, but you could argue that the Philly market would do what the Portland market never had the balls to do to this day which is be the "bad guy" and trade him for value, so yeah I think I understand what you mean in terms of the possible end game.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just want June 30th to be here so we know what we're getting with James. I think the odds of him and Joel not winning a chip together in the next 2 seasons with Nurse is very low. The list of MVPs who haven't won a chip is too short...

Retired: Barkley, Mailman, Iverson, Nash

Active: Rose, Westbrook, Harden, Embiid

(I took out Jokic because he's likely winning it today)

[kuclas]

There is really no where to go. We have (had) a good enough team to win. As Denver has proven. It’s not the talent they have. It’s the injury. Denver is healthy. Without healthy Jamal Murray it didn’t matter what Jokic does.

With the sixers. Without embiid being Healthy during playoffs. Sixers have no chance. We all know his movement was limited with the knee sprain. It is what it is with embiid. You need two main guys to play at at optimal level to win consistently in playoffs. It’s the story of the playoffs. Who knows. Lots of what ifs. Miami doesn’t have the deep talent. Bam is really limited what he can do offensively. So without other guys pitching in. Miami just can sustain their level of performance.

One of these playoff runs. Embiid will stay healthy.

[76ciology]

double post

[76ciology]

Embiid will be much like Lillard here, that's what I believe so no point convincing me otherwise.

It’s a different scenario.

Embiid has won the MVP, his people would be telling him to go for ATG status. Another thing is this is Philly and outside media likes to put a target on his forehead (because he’s so predictable and you can build a reputable career as an analyst by shorting his stock), and its so stressful for him if he just be like Dame chilling and focusing on his rap career.

It makes a lot of sense for Biid to escape and reset with the Knicks. but it also makes a lot of sense if Biid can take it a shot or two before going there.

Dame wont gather that much suitors compared to Biid. Biid might be offered to have some share with the knicks or change the arena to Madison Square Process. Knicks can give him things on and off the court we can’t match. Knicks is also a legacy franchise it would be easier for him to win with them

Well Embiid is too loyal for all the nonsense. I don't mean to speak as if I know him personally, but you could argue that the Philly market would do what the Portland market never had the balls to do to this day which is be the "bad guy" and trade him for value, so yeah I think I understand what you mean in terms of the possible end game.

[Kobblehead]

I see two names, Derozan and Rozier.

Who else? Kuzma or Jordan Clarkson? Jordan Poole? bogdanovic? Hayward? Hield?Julius Randle? Siakam? Immanuel Quickely? These guys may not be as big as Dame or Beal but these guys are hungry to win.

Some of the guys are the opposite of what I think we need. Most of these guys are a walking missed field goal in the playoffs. Also, you're getting dangerously close to suggesting Dlo lol.

[76ciology]

I see two names, Derozan and Rozier.

Who else? Kuzma or Jordan Clarkson? Jordan Poole? bogdanovic? Hayward? Hield?Julius Randle? Siakam? Immanuel Quickely? These guys may not be as big as Dame or Beal but these guys are hungry to win.

Some of the guys are the opposite of what I think we need. Most of these guys are a walking missed field goal in the playoffs. Also, you're getting dangerously close to suggesting Dlo lol.

If Embiid is really good, he can get them good looks

If Maxey is really good, these guys wont be relied to carry heavy load on offense

With the right context, DLo can be a winning player in the playoffs. Look at Max Struss from Celts to Heat or Caleb Martin from Hornets to Heat or Aaron Gordon from Magic to Jazz. You just need to build an environment where talent can shine. Lessen and ease up the load, hide their weakness and etc.

Every day is a new day. If we just want some playoff performer then go all out for Gabe Vincent. Good thing we dont have a GM and most NBA people dont think that way.

[Arsenal]

There is no "star" out there who is going to save us. What we need to do (for once) is build a deep team that shares the ball on offense and plays hard defense, utilizing internal development and shrewd under-the-radar free agent signings.

We have enough star power and enough scoring already, even if Harden walks.

Nurse is the kind of coach who can make this happen.

[mjkvol]

MjKvol,

What we can learn from other teams and with the upcoming CBA, there’s likely a need to form a superteam. I also think, until proven otherwise, father time and father health wont be kind to Embiid that im not betting he’d be better 2-3 seasons from now while its starting to look very smart for Embiid to ask for a trade to the Knicks starting if we decides to take a pause for 2-3 seasons. Why? It does not benefit him at all.

Not saying its the only option, but i think the primary option now is to try to win now for 2 more seasons and just completely rebuild if that does not work. That seems to me the best way to play the cards handed to us right now.

I'm not saying to pause for 2-3 seasons, but for 2023 so the books can be cleared. The 2-3 years is a reference to how long it might take to build a proper team that can actually compete for a championship. Looking at this season and saying "wow, we were so close, if we had only closed out game 6" (something I have been guilty of saying) is the definition of fool's gold - it was always going to end in disaster in one way or another.

"Try to win for 2 more seasons". What does that even mean? Bring in a Beal, Levine, or some other "3rd star"? You know the game well - do you honestly believe the Sixers can compete for a championship by continuing to chase 'stars' without even having any real assets beyond an expiring, a promising SG and a distant 1st to improve the areas in desperate need of an upgrade?

It seems that no one has watched these playoffs and taken note of how the teams that had the most success and the most future promise were constructed, and how the teams that fell short of expectations (Sixers, Lakers) were built and how badly flawed they are without clear paths to improve those flaws in the short term. Try to win? Sounds nice, but so does hitting the lottery, and you have about the same odds.

[ProcessDoctor]

MjKvol,

What we can learn from other teams and with the upcoming CBA, there’s likely a need to form a superteam. I also think, until proven otherwise, father time and father health wont be kind to Embiid that im not betting he’d be better 2-3 seasons from now while its starting to look very smart for Embiid to ask for a trade to the Knicks starting if we decides to take a pause for 2-3 seasons. Why? It does not benefit him at all.

Not saying its the only option, but i think the primary option now is to try to win now for 2 more seasons and just completely rebuild if that does not work. That seems to me the best way to play the cards handed to us right now.

I'm not saying to pause for 2-3 seasons, but for 2023 so the books can be cleared. The 2-3 years is a reference to how long it might take to build a proper team that can actually compete for a championship. Looking at this season and saying "wow, we were so close, if we had only closed out game 6" (something I have been guilty of saying) is the definition of fool's gold - it was always going to end in disaster in one way or another.

"Try to win for 2 more seasons". What does that even mean? Bring in a Beal, Levine, or some other "3rd star"? You know the game well - do you honestly believe the Sixers can compete for a championship by continuing to chase 'stars' without even having any real assets beyond an expiring, a promising SG and a distant 1st to improve the areas in desperate need of an upgrade?

It seems that no one has watched these playoffs and taken note of how the teams that had the most success and the most future promise were constructed, and how the teams that fell short of expectations (Sixers, Lakers) were built and how badly flawed they are without clear paths to improve those flaws in the short term. Try to win? Sounds nice, but so does hitting the lottery, and you have about the same odds.

I guess I don’t understand your opposition to pursuing stars. You can’t win in this league without 2 stars.

The only reason we were contenders in 2019 was because we pursued a star Butler.

The only reason we were contenders last year was because we pursued a star in Harden the year before. We weren’t going anywhere with a Maxey/Embiid duo, as much as I love them.

[Mik317]

I don't think Beal, DeRozan, or LaVine are good enough second stars...definatly not at their age, contract, and injury histories....to trade Maxey IMO. Think current Maxey has also had just as good of playoff performances as those 3 too.

[ProcessDoctor]

I don't think Beal, DeRozan, or LaVine are good enough second stars...definatly not at their age, contract, and injury histories....to trade Maxey IMO. Think current Maxey has also had just as good of playoff performances as those 3 too.

FYI I am not referring to any of those guys. I am opposed to all 3 actually.

[Mik317]

feels like those are the only available guys tho

[ProcessDoctor]

Then we keep Maxey lol. I'm saying if we can aim high and get Kawhi Leonard then do it. I'm also open to Siakam, but that's more of a risk. I can see Maxey being better than him next year.