TJ McConnell

[hookshot199]

BTW: I've always wondered if one of the reasons Hinkie didn't draft Porzingis is that he wanted Saric to come over sooner. Any thoughts?

i read where Barkley said Saric could well be our Zinger. no contest right now, but maybe in a year or two there'll be some question about who would fit in better next to Embiid. (and it could be Simmons.)

Porzingis is getting a great education this year. If he survives the sh*t show in New York without developing any attitude problems, it will make him an even stronger prospect. Check frames 9-13.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/charles-oakley-ejected-from-madison-square-garden/vp-AAmOWV7

[bwgood77]

Win shares for guards in 2015 draft class

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BTW: I've always wondered if one of the reasons Hinkie didn't draft Porzingis is that he wanted Saric to come over sooner. Any thoughts?

i read where Barkley said Saric could well be our Zinger. no contest right now, but maybe in a year or two there'll be some question about who would fit in better next to Embiid. (and it could be Simmons.)

Barkley makes a lot of ridiculous comments. They're not really similar players other than both being white guys from Europe.

[Unbreakable99]

Win shares for guards in 2015 draft class

Do you know what the VORP is for all of them?

[Unbreakable99]

BTW: I've always wondered if one of the reasons Hinkie didn't draft Porzingis is that he wanted Saric to come over sooner. Any thoughts?

i read where Barkley said Saric could well be our Zinger. no contest right now, but maybe in a year or two there'll be some question about who would fit in better next to Embiid. (and it could be Simmons.)

Barkley makes a lot of ridiculous comments. They're not really similar players other than both being white guys from Europe.

Don't get me started on Barkley. He makes some of the dumbest comments about basketball. He's living proof that playing the game doesn't mean you know the game. His dumbest comment that I hate is when he loses his top 5 of Jordan Magic Bird Oscar and someone else and then says no matter what anyone else does that can't change. Huh? That is by far the dumbest thing I ever heard someone say. So a guy can win 12 titles and average 30 ppg for his career and win 10 MVPs and the highest he will be on Barkley's list is 6? Lol. Yeah that makes sense. Smh.

[bwgood77]

Do you know what the VORP is for all of them?

No, I just copied the image from a tweet. Running a quick player comparison on b-ref for the top 6, I see Booker is the worst, and T.J. is the second worst, but they are all close. Also the WS doesn't match up with this chart, so I'm not exactly sure what the original source of this chart is. But T.J. still the highest by quite a bit, followed by Powell then Booker who are fairly close. Richardson the worst in b-ref. If the chart is from nba.com, it is probably more accurate though.

http://bkref.com/tiny/5rH0C

[TTP]

Do you know what the VORP is for all of them?

No, I just copied the image from a tweet. Running a quick player comparison on b-ref for the top 6, I see Booker is the worst, and T.J. is the second worst, but they are all close. Also the WS doesn't match up with this chart, so I'm not exactly sure what the original source of this chart is. But T.J. still the highest by quite a bit, followed by Powell then Booker who are fairly close. Richardson the worst in b-ref. If the chart is from nba.com, it is probably more accurate though.

http://bkref.com/tiny/5rH0C

The image you copied includes the previous season as well (notice the games and minutes). Yours is only for this season.

Also worth mentioning that VORP is likely to undervalue what TJ does well - defending the perimeter.

[bwgood77]

Do you know what the VORP is for all of them?

No, I just copied the image from a tweet. Running a quick player comparison on b-ref for the top 6, I see Booker is the worst, and T.J. is the second worst, but they are all close. Also the WS doesn't match up with this chart, so I'm not exactly sure what the original source of this chart is. But T.J. still the highest by quite a bit, followed by Powell then Booker who are fairly close. Richardson the worst in b-ref. If the chart is from nba.com, it is probably more accurate though.

http://bkref.com/tiny/5rH0C

The image you copied includes the previous season as well (notice the games and minutes). Yours is only for this season.

Also worth mentioning that VORP is likely to undervalue what TJ does well - defending the perimeter.

Yes, I love his tenacity on defense and his steals. He's great. I watched him at AZ, being an alum, so know him well. Loved to see him and Booker at the top.

[bedjawII]

BTW: I've always wondered if one of the reasons Hinkie didn't draft Porzingis is that he wanted Saric to come over sooner. Any thoughts?

i read where Barkley said Saric could well be our Zinger. no contest right now, but maybe in a year or two there'll be some question about who would fit in better next to Embiid. (and it could be Simmons.)

Porzingis is getting a great education this year. If he survives the sh*t show in New York without developing any attitude problems, it will make him an even stronger prospect. Check frames 9-13.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/charles-oakley-ejected-from-madison-square-garden/vp-AAmOWV7

Possibly but Hinkie never drafted based on fit. He always took BPA.

[rzzzzz]

They're not really similar players other than both being white guys from Europe.

who play the same position. or rather, both capable of covering a couple of positions, but probably work best at pf.
(during the same Mike Missanelli interview last May Barkley also said that Embiid was the real deal and about to drastically change the team's fortunes. he has his moments.)

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2016/05/charles_barkley_sixers_can_make_playoffs_next_year.html

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They're not really similar players other than both being white guys from Europe.

who play the same position. or rather, both capable of covering a couple of positions, but probably work best at pf.
(during the same Mike Missanelli interview last May Barkley also said that Embiid was the real deal and about to drastically change the team's fortunes. he has his moments.)

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2016/05/charles_barkley_sixers_can_make_playoffs_next_year.html

I'm not sure Saric is capable of covering his own position, much less multiple positions.

[rzzzzz]

I'm not sure Saric is capable of covering his own position, much less multiple positions.

sorry, i gotta go with Charles, Sam and Brett on this one. plus the kid is coming on strong. kind of a league-wide consensus ROY if not for Embiid's brilliance.

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I'm not sure Saric is capable of covering his own position, much less multiple positions.

sorry, i gotta go with Charles, Sam and Brett on this one. plus the kid is coming on strong. kind of a league-wide consensus ROY if not for Embiid's brilliance.

You're talking nonsense. First you come in comparing Saric and Porzingis because they're white guys from Europe that play the same position despite their games having minimal in common - this is actually closer to racism than solid basketball analysis.

Now you're claiming Saric can cover multiple positions when he's one of the worst defenders in the league among PFs. He hustles but he's neither long nor athletic so it's unlikely he's ever going to be great on that end. He probably has neither the speed to cover 3s nor the size to cover 5s.

He's certainly not league-wide consensus ROY after Embiid. Brogdon has been significantly better.

[rzzzzz]

First you come in comparing Saric and Porzingis because they're white guys from Europe that play the same position despite their games having minimal in common - this is actually closer to racism than solid basketball analysis.

Bub, you crossed the line. all i said was Barkley said that Saric might compare well with Porzingis. YOU brought up the fact that they were both white Europeans. i admit that didn't faze me, and then i said they both play multiple positions and that Saric is well liked, and so YOU call me a racist? what, did i fail some civic duty for not calling you out? like you're some sting operation? is there something Weimar Republic about any of us being fans of TJ McConnell as well? sorry, you can't get me to stop rooting for TJ, Dario any more than Joel, no matter what tortured rage you wig out on.

[APettyJ]

According to the formula that has chosen just about the last 30 ROYs, with the only exception being in 2003, Saric should beat Brogdon, and it should not be pretty close.

The formula is simple: ppg + rpg + apg. Every ROY has led the combined sum of these three stats, except for when Amar'e Stoudemire beat out Yao Ming with a total of 23.3 to Ming's 23.4.

Saric this year: 10.8 ppg + 5.9 rpg + 1.8 apg = 18.5

Brogdon : 9.4 ppg + 2.7 rpg + 4.2 apg = 16.3

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First you come in comparing Saric and Porzingis because they're white guys from Europe that play the same position despite their games having minimal in common - this is actually closer to racism than solid basketball analysis.

Bub, you crossed the line. all i said was Barkley said that Saric might compare well with Porzingis. YOU brought up the fact that they were both white Europeans. i admit that didn't faze me, and then i said they both play multiple positions and that Saric is well liked, and so YOU call me a racist? what, did i fail a test by not calling you out for bringing it up? like you're some sting operation? is there something Weimar Republic about any of us being fans of TJ McConnell as well? sorry, you can't get me to stop rooting for TJ, Dario any more than Joel, no matter what tortured logic you pretzel.

I mean you came in here regurgitating Barkley's terrible comparison and when I called you out on it, you just said "they play the same position". I guess Embiid is going to be our Furkan Aldemir too - they play the same position.

I also didn't call you racist. I said that analysis (Barkley's analysis) is closer to racism than good basketball analysis. It's lazy and terrible. The only reason Barkley is even making that comparison is because they're both white Europeans that play a similar position. Barkley spews garbage all the time.

You said they "cover" multiple positions, not that they play multiple positions. I said Saric can't cover anyone.

What are you talking about? I have no problem with TJ.

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According to the formula that has chosen just about the last 30 ROYs, with the only exception being in 2003, Saric should beat Brogdon, and it should not be pretty close.

The formula is simple: ppg + rpg + apg. Every ROY has led the combined sum of these three stats, except for when Amar'e Stoudemire beat out Yao Ming with a total of 23.3 to Ming's 23.4.

Saric this year: 10.8 ppg + 5.9 rpg + 1.8 apg = 18.5

Brogdon : 9.4 ppg + 2.7 rpg + 4.2 apg = 16.3

Yeah unfortunately the voters have historically been terrible. If Saric wins, it will be undeserved.

It's also worth mentioning that as of February 1, Bovada ROTY betting had Brogdon +2000 and Saric +3300.

[APettyJ]

According to the formula that has chosen just about the last 30 ROYs, with the only exception being in 2003, Saric should beat Brogdon, and it should not be pretty close.

The formula is simple: ppg + rpg + apg. Every ROY has led the combined sum of these three stats, except for when Amar'e Stoudemire beat out Yao Ming with a total of 23.3 to Ming's 23.4.

Saric this year: 10.8 ppg + 5.9 rpg + 1.8 apg = 18.5

Brogdon : 9.4 ppg + 2.7 rpg + 4.2 apg = 16.3

Yeah unfortunately the voters have historically been terrible. If Saric wins, it will be undeserved.

It's also worth mentioning that as of February 1, Bovada ROTY betting had Brogdon +2000 and Saric +3300.

Nothing to do with "voters being terrible", and everything to do with who has been the most consistent for the entire year. Brogdon has 30 years of experience going against him, and probably for good reason. Dario has the higher scoring average, and is the better defender overall (108 DRTG to Brogdon's 111). This while Brogdon has played more minutes overall.

First, Heild looked like he'd catch Dario. Then it was Murray. Can't see Brogdon winning it while he isn't the scoring leader as well as trailing in two of the three categories.

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According to the formula that has chosen just about the last 30 ROYs, with the only exception being in 2003, Saric should beat Brogdon, and it should not be pretty close.

The formula is simple: ppg + rpg + apg. Every ROY has led the combined sum of these three stats, except for when Amar'e Stoudemire beat out Yao Ming with a total of 23.3 to Ming's 23.4.

Saric this year: 10.8 ppg + 5.9 rpg + 1.8 apg = 18.5

Brogdon : 9.4 ppg + 2.7 rpg + 4.2 apg = 16.3

Yeah unfortunately the voters have historically been terrible. If Saric wins, it will be undeserved.

It's also worth mentioning that as of February 1, Bovada ROTY betting had Brogdon +2000 and Saric +3300.

Nothing to do with "voters being terrible", and everything to do with who has been the most consistent for the entire year. Brogdon has 30 years of experience going against him, and probably for good reason. Dario has the higher scoring average, and is the better defender overall (108 DRTG to Brogdon's 111). This while Brogdon has played more minutes overall.

First, Heild looked like he'd catch Dario. Then it was Murray. Can't see Brogdon winning it while he isn't the scoring leader as well as trailing in two of the three categories.

No, using that criteria is definitely evidence of the voters being terrible. COUNTING STATS!!!!!

Lol @ saying Dario is the better defender overall. Using DRTG is a poor way to measure defense.

Brogdon is probably a plus defender at his position. Dario is a horrendously negative defender. RPM grades him as one of the worst defenders at his position and one of the worst overall PFs.

You also didn't address what I said about the betting lines. That's going to be a much better indication of consensus than anything else.

[Sixerscan]

Well since February 1st, Dario has played the best stretch of his young career and is one his way to rookie of the month, so I would expect those lines to change once they are updated.