Where is Nerlens?

[sixerswillrule]

As much as I defend and love Okafor, I would put the chances of them BOTH being traded by this time next year at better than 50-50.

They are both too good to be backups, and unless Embiid crashes, we don't have the spot for them. Since I put Okafor's chances of surviving at the 4 at around 50%, I think he will be traded if he can't play there mostly full time.

I definitely wouldn't trade both unless we can get great value for each. Even then it's questionable given Embiid's uncertainty. Neither is too good to be a 30 mpg player, which either one could be on the team together with Embiid if he's healthy.

The only way either one of them gets 30 minutes a game with a healthy Embiid in year 2, is if they can play half the time at the 4. I think that Okafor may be able to do that, but I don't think that Noel can. Okafor this year will have to prove that he can play a lot of minutes at the 4. If he can't, then he is just auditioning to be traded.

This up coming season will be the last one where there will be any more than 15 minutes or so available at center in the heathy Embiid scenario.

The only way one of them will need to play half their time at the 4 in year 2 is if Embiid plays 33 mpg in year 2. Not only is that ~95% likely not to happen in year 2, that may not happen in Embiid's entire career. Even if he stays generally healthy, I could easily see him being capped at 30 mpg to stay on the safe side.

[Sandalf42]

All this endless arguing over Okafor and Noel reminds me of Rick and Morty. When the Meseeks (blue helper dudes) are devolving into anarchy and screaming at each other over how to lower Jerry's golf game by 2 strokes. I think that's how I'm going to imagine the rest of this thread.

"I'M MR. MESEEKS, LOOK AT ME! The only way to salvation is tough defense and speed with Noel!

"HEY LOOK AT ME! What we have to do is to go with potential and scoring. Keep Okafor! HI, I'M MR. MESEEKS!"

Wish I had the tech savvy to turn this into an actual meme.

[sixersinsider]

This situation with the sixers reminds me of a team in Washington (glut of big men)
This particular team had 4 talented big men and we're forced to trade 2 of the 4 BIGS

Unfortunately they traded the wrong Bigs and possibly set the organization back a decade.The sixer Brass needs to get this right.


Chriss Webber======== oakafor
Rasheed Wallace===== Saric
George muresan=======Emblid
Juwan howard========NOEL

[sixersinsider]

This situation with the sixers reminds me of a team in Washington (glut of big men)
This particular team had 4 talented big men and we're forced to trade 2 of the 4 BIGS

Unfortunately they traded the wrong Bigs and possibly set the organization back a decade.The sixer Brass needs to get this right.


Chriss Webber======== oakafor
Rasheed Wallace===== Saric
George muresan=======Emblid
Juwan howard========NOEL

[Ericb5]

I definitely wouldn't trade both unless we can get great value for each. Even then it's questionable given Embiid's uncertainty. Neither is too good to be a 30 mpg player, which either one could be on the team together with Embiid if he's healthy.

The only way either one of them gets 30 minutes a game with a healthy Embiid in year 2, is if they can play half the time at the 4. I think that Okafor may be able to do that, but I don't think that Noel can. Okafor this year will have to prove that he can play a lot of minutes at the 4. If he can't, then he is just auditioning to be traded.

This up coming season will be the last one where there will be any more than 15 minutes or so available at center in the heathy Embiid scenario.

The only way one of them will need to play half their time at the 4 in year 2 is if Embiid plays 33 mpg in year 2. Not only is that ~95% likely not to happen in year 2, that may not happen in Embiid's entire career. Even if he stays generally healthy, I could easily see him being capped at 30 mpg to stay on the safe side.

I don't see any reason to try to limit his minutes once he gets through the first year.

This year he will play limited minutes, and not in back to backs, but if he gets through the year healthy on an upward trajectory, I think they should just let him go in year two.

If he is having stress reactions then that would be a different story, but if there are no ill effects, we should just treat him like a healthy player.


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[sixerswillrule]

The only way either one of them gets 30 minutes a game with a healthy Embiid in year 2, is if they can play half the time at the 4. I think that Okafor may be able to do that, but I don't think that Noel can. Okafor this year will have to prove that he can play a lot of minutes at the 4. If he can't, then he is just auditioning to be traded.

This up coming season will be the last one where there will be any more than 15 minutes or so available at center in the heathy Embiid scenario.

The only way one of them will need to play half their time at the 4 in year 2 is if Embiid plays 33 mpg in year 2. Not only is that ~95% likely not to happen in year 2, that may not happen in Embiid's entire career. Even if he stays generally healthy, I could easily see him being capped at 30 mpg to stay on the safe side.

I don't see any reason to try to limit his minutes once he gets through the first year.

This year he will play limited minutes, and not in back to backs, but if he gets through the year healthy on an upward trajectory, I think they should just let him go in year two.

If he is having stress reactions then that would be a different story, but if there are no ill effects, we should just treat him like a healthy player.

But he wouldn't be just any healthy player, he'd be a 7'1", 270 pound player with a history of foot problems. If there were a magic offer on the table of either 25 mpg of Embiid for the next 10 years or nothing, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. 30 mpg would be amazing. There would be nothing wrong with that. And I'm almost positive that he will still be kept under 30 mpg in his second season even if he stays healthy through the first.

[LloydFree]

This situation with the sixers reminds me of a team in Washington (glut of big men)
This particular team had 4 talented big men and we're forced to trade 2 of the 4 BIGS

Unfortunately they traded the wrong Bigs and possibly set the organization back a decade.The sixer Brass needs to get this right.


Chriss Webber======== oakafor
Rasheed Wallace===== Saric
George muresan=======Emblid
Juwan howard========NOEL

[Kirk Van Houten]

Noel is the most replaceable out of all our bigs. When given minutes even Grant averaged more blocks than the defensive king noel. Holmes would see similar results. I'm just glad he's the one getting moved. Great result for the organisation.

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[Negrodamus]

All this endless arguing over Okafor and Noel reminds me of Rick and Morty. When the Meseeks (blue helper dudes) are devolving into anarchy and screaming at each other over how to lower Jerry's golf game by 2 strokes. I think that's how I'm going to imagine the rest of this thread.

"I'M MR. MESEEKS, LOOK AT ME! The only way to salvation is tough defense and speed with Noel!

"HEY LOOK AT ME! What we have to do is to go with potential and scoring. Keep Okafor! HI, I'M MR. MESEEKS!"

Wish I had the tech savvy to turn this into an actual meme.

I think they all agreed on the techniques needed to lower Jerry's game, but it devolved because Jerry sucked and the Meseeks had brought each other into a world where failure was certain.

The only reason I'm adding to the Rick and Morty conversation is because Noel was just compared to Grant/Holmes, and Embiid was compared to George Muresan. In both cases, I am confused and hate the direction this thread is heading. So I'm happy to talk about Rick and Morty.

[Ericb5]

The only way one of them will need to play half their time at the 4 in year 2 is if Embiid plays 33 mpg in year 2. Not only is that ~95% likely not to happen in year 2, that may not happen in Embiid's entire career. Even if he stays generally healthy, I could easily see him being capped at 30 mpg to stay on the safe side.

I don't see any reason to try to limit his minutes once he gets through the first year.

This year he will play limited minutes, and not in back to backs, but if he gets through the year healthy on an upward trajectory, I think they should just let him go in year two.

If he is having stress reactions then that would be a different story, but if there are no ill effects, we should just treat him like a healthy player.

But he wouldn't be just any healthy player, he'd be a 7'1", 270 pound player with a history of foot problems. If there were a magic offer on the table of either 25 mpg of Embiid for the next 10 years or nothing, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. 30 mpg would be amazing. There would be nothing wrong with that. And I'm almost positive that he will still be kept under 30 mpg in his second season even if he stays healthy through the first.

When considering the worse case scenario then SURE I'd accept that. I just don't think that we should choose it unless he is showing some strain.

About 30 mpg in year two maybe would be the natural limit if he is healthy. I know that he will have foul trouble limiting his minutes as well. If it is natural for him to play let's say 60+ games with 20 mpg in his first year, and he survives that in an upward trajectory, then in year two I think his natural mpg will be around 28-32 with playing back to backs.

His natural ceiling in minutes will probably never get above 34-35 minutes, just based on size and foul trouble.


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[lotto29]

This situation with the sixers reminds me of a team in Washington (glut of big men)
This particular team had 4 talented big men and we're forced to trade 2 of the 4 BIGS

Unfortunately they traded the wrong Bigs and possibly set the organization back a decade.The sixer Brass needs to get this right.


Chriss Webber======== oakafor
Rasheed Wallace===== Saric
George muresan=======Emblid
Juwan howard========NOEL

Okafor as Chris Webber??

[lotto29]

Noel is the most replaceable out of all our bigs. When given minutes even Grant averaged more blocks than the defensive king noel. Holmes would see similar results. I'm just glad he's the one getting moved. Great result for the organisation.

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[thenbaman]

Don't care where he goes as long as there is no deal with the celtics
they had their only chance on draft night and got to greedy.

[HartfordWhalers]

Noel now has mitch from Paid in Full as his avatar, and the header is all in black.

If one were to read into, it might seem like Noel wants to get paid in full.

[jbent87]

Noel now has mitch from Paid in Full as his avatar, and the header is all in black.

If one were to read into, it might seem like Noel wants to get paid in full.

wow. this is getting ridiculous. Just send em to Boston already and lets get this rivalry renewed.

Simmons v Jaylen Brown
Nerlens vs Okafor/Saric/Embiid

Let's get it going.

[LloydFree]

This situation with the sixers reminds me of a team in Washington (glut of big men)
This particular team had 4 talented big men and we're forced to trade 2 of the 4 BIGS

Unfortunately they traded the wrong Bigs and possibly set the organization back a decade.The sixer Brass needs to get this right.


Chriss Webber======== oakafor
Rasheed Wallace===== Saric
George muresan=======Emblid
Juwan howard========NOEL

Okafor as Chris Webber??

The funniest thing about those ridiculous comparisons is that Embiid is the only one that has anywhere near the ability or potential to be as good as Webber or Rasheed.

Edited: Trying to limit offense to other posters

[76ciology]

Noel now has mitch from Paid in Full as his avatar, and the header is all in black.

If one were to read into, it might seem like Noel wants to get paid in full.

or maybe Noel works as a drug dealer during offseason. Pretty much explains why he's gone missing.

[76ciology]

Noel now has mitch from Paid in Full as his avatar, and the header is all in black.

If one were to read into, it might seem like Noel wants to get paid in full.

Watch on YouTube

[MatthewGeigerII]

i just want this to end ASAP.
tired of checking in on rumors that seem to be circling back to the same ones!

Hopefully it's before training camp (sept 25/26) - it'll be hard to make to February with unhappy players lol.


So far from memory ... the noel "rumors" have been:

http://hoopshype.com/player/nerlens-noel/

Teague for Noel - Done, teague went to the pacers
Noel for Beverly/Ariza
Noel for Bradley
Noel for Smart +
Noel, LAL pick for Ingram
Nerlens, 24, 26, Cov for #3 pick (don't believe)
Noel for Terrence Ross +

i think that's about it? lol .. obv. most are probably so off but that is a lot of rumors for one offseason, sheesh.

[76ciology]

i just want this to end ASAP.
tired of checking in on rumors that seem to be circling back to the same ones!

Hopefully it's before training camp (sept 25/26) - it'll be hard to make to February with unhappy players lol.


So far from memory ... the noel "rumors" have been:

http://hoopshype.com/player/nerlens-noel/

Teague for Noel - Done, teague went to the pacers
Noel for Beverly/Ariza
Noel for Bradley
Noel for Smart +
Noel, LAL pick for Ingram
Nerlens, 24, 26, Cov for #3 pick (don't believe)
Noel for Terrence Ross +

i think that's about it? lol .. obv. most are probably so off but that is a lot of rumors for one offseason, sheesh.

I'd rather take my chances with the Hornets pick than any of those celtics deal that doesn't involve the Nets pick. I'd still like to bet that they won't make it to the playoffs this year.

At worst, I see us trading Noel to Boston for pick swap option w/ Nets pick.