2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[sixerswillrule]

Granger only had 1 season of over 25pp36 at over 57% TS%. The rest of his career he was a lesser player. Likely due to injuries, but it is what it is. I expect Tatum to put up more than 1 of that kind of season.

And I'll be disappointed if Tatum finishes with only 16.1 VORP for his entire career like Granger did. It's not like he was good for a decade. He was only good for a few years. Even then he only made 1 all-star game.

Now do you have anything of substance to add to this conversation?

Granger had a period of two seasons where averaged 25 points at 57% TS during that period. That was within a period of 5 seasons where he averaged 22 points on 56% TS. To expect Tatum to do that at all, let alone more than that, is completely unreasonable. Is it possible? Sure. But you're setting yourself up for disappointment by saying things like you expect him to do that or he definitely will do that.

You know what?

I EXPECT him to be better than Granger.

He's BETTER than Granger at the same age and is a MUCH MORE highly touted prospect.

I EXPECT him to be significantly better than 16.1 career VORP.

I EXPECT him to go to more than 1 all-star game.

I couldn't care less if you think that's unreasonable or not.

If only it actually worked that way. Malik Monk is better than Gilbert Arenas at the same age and a much more highly touted prospect but I have yet to hear anyone proclaim Monk will definitely be better than Arenas because that would be nuts.

I also expect Tatum to have a higher career VORP than Granger, just like Matt Barnes and James Posey did. They were still far inferior players, just with longer careers.

If I didn't care about what other people thought about my opionions I wouldn't post on a message board which by default involves hearing other people's thoughts. But that's just me.

[Arsenal]

Re: Josh Jackson - I wonder if this impacts his draft stock at all:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18757925/kansas-jayhawks-guard-josh-jackson-charged-allegedly-damaging-car

[Negrodamus]

Re: Josh Jackson - I wonder if this impacts his draft stock at all:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18757925/kansas-jayhawks-guard-josh-jackson-charged-allegedly-damaging-car

Hope so, so we can draft him. This is a non story to me.

[Negrodamus]

I know the concerns with him, but I'm putting Malik Monk a little higher on my board again. As we saw last night, the team plays better in a non-ball stopping game. I know Monk is a volume shooter, but he's in the mold of Ray Allen in that he's a knockdown shooter while also being extremely athletic. Most importantly, he doesn't force the issue too much. He'll take an ill advised fadeaway three at times, but for the most part, if it isn't there, he'll pop it back out to the top of the key or look for an entry pass. Between Simmons and Saric, we're going to have some incredible creators.

I will say, the only way I'd take him is if we only get our pick and it's not a top 5 pick.

[HT43]

I know the concerns with him, but I'm putting Malik Monk a little higher on my board again. As we saw last night, the team plays better in a non-ball stopping game. I know Monk is a volume shooter, but he's in the mold of Ray Allen in that he's a knockdown shooter while also being extremely athletic. Most importantly, he doesn't force the issue too much. He'll take an ill advised fadeaway three at times, but for the most part, if it isn't there, he'll pop it back out to the top of the key or look for an entry pass. Between Simmons and Saric, we're going to have some incredible creators.

I will say, the only way I'd take him is if we only get our pick and it's not a top 5 pick.

Would you take him over Tatum?

[islanders11040]

2/25/17

12:00

FSU vs Clemson ACC Network (watch espn)
Jonathan Issac

NC State vs Virginia ESPN
Dennis Smith Jr

2:00

Kentucky vs Florida CBS
De'Aaron Fox
Malik Monk
Bam Adebayo

3:00

Creighton vs Villanova FOX
Justin Patton

4:00

Duke vs Miami CBS
Jayson Tatum
Harry Giles
Grayson Allen
Luke Kennard

6:00

Kansas vs Texas ESPN
Josh Jackson
Jarrett Allen

8:00

Alabama vs Texas A&M ESPN2
Robert Williams

8:15

UCLA vs Arizona ESPN
Lauri Markkanen
Lonzo Ball

[shawn_hemp]

I know the concerns with him, but I'm putting Malik Monk a little higher on my board again. As we saw last night, the team plays better in a non-ball stopping game. I know Monk is a volume shooter, but he's in the mold of Ray Allen in that he's a knockdown shooter while also being extremely athletic. Most importantly, he doesn't force the issue too much. He'll take an ill advised fadeaway three at times, but for the most part, if it isn't there, he'll pop it back out to the top of the key or look for an entry pass. Between Simmons and Saric, we're going to have some incredible creators.

I will say, the only way I'd take him is if we only get our pick and it's not a top 5 pick.

Would you take him over Tatum?

10/10 times

Did anyone see Jonathan Isaac block Tatum at the rim in the FSU / Duke game?

And that's string bean Jonathan Isaac turning him down. I don't see Tatum being a starter on a good team in the NBA.



and I'm not basing this off one block, considering I even tried to find the stuff I like about Tatum earlier this year.

But he just moves too slow. Seems like the next Jahlil but in SF form

[Negrodamus]

I know the concerns with him, but I'm putting Malik Monk a little higher on my board again. As we saw last night, the team plays better in a non-ball stopping game. I know Monk is a volume shooter, but he's in the mold of Ray Allen in that he's a knockdown shooter while also being extremely athletic. Most importantly, he doesn't force the issue too much. He'll take an ill advised fadeaway three at times, but for the most part, if it isn't there, he'll pop it back out to the top of the key or look for an entry pass. Between Simmons and Saric, we're going to have some incredible creators.

I will say, the only way I'd take him is if we only get our pick and it's not a top 5 pick.

Would you take him over Tatum?

Absolutely not. Tatum is an extremely talented scorer that plays elite defense and has elite size and length.

Monk is an elite scorer.

This is coming from a staunch Duke hater and rabid UK fan.

With the little info we, as fans, have, I'm taking Tatum.

[Arsenal]

Watching Dennis Smith vs. Virginia right now. Talent and ability aside, I don't like Smith's body language. It seems like he mopes and whines a lot out there. Sort of reminds me of DeMarcus Cousins, although not as bad of course. Just strikes me as a guy with a loser attitude.

Probably a hot take but there it is. I've noticed this virtually every time I've watched him this year.

[Arsenal]

Dennis Smith also loves to pound the rock. Not a good fit with our offensive system. A guy like Ball who keeps the ball moving is a much better fit.

[Cheatergriffin]

Dennis Smith also loves to pound the rock. Not a good fit with our offensive system. A guy like Ball who keeps the ball moving is a much better fit.

Lonzo just seems like the type of prospect who can fit with any team and improve any team. I want Lonzo Ball.

[Negrodamus]

It's halftime, but Shake Milton has 6 threes already. Having himself a game.

[Mik317]

Shake Milton is one of the coolest names in this draft for sure. Sounds like a character from NBA Street

[HotelVitale]

And that's string bean Jonathan Isaac turning him down. I don't see Tatum being a starter on a good team in the NBA and I'm not basing this off one block, considering I even tried to find the stuff I like about Tatum earlier this year. But he just moves too slow. Seems like the next Jahlil but in SF form

I'm not a huge Tatum guy but, sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Here's the first video that came up on google, there's no way you can look at that minute and a half of play and conclude 'man what a slow player.' I can see the criticism that he's not as athletic as some NBA SFs, but he's got nice quickness and plays with a good motor.

Watch on YouTube

[Negrodamus]

It must be so frustrating to be a Pitt fan. 2 promising players, Artis and Young, are back as seniors and both have NBA potential, but they play weak defense and run no real offense to speak of. Too much jacking up shots. Shame, could be a good team.

Artis looks like he could be a player at the next level if he could ever finish. He has pretty damn good handles for someone his size (6'6), but that means nothing if you can't finish at the rim.

[Kobblehead]

This SMU team is a legit squad that could make a run. I still really like Sterling Brown as an undrafted free agent.

6'6" 230 pound SG with a great shooting stroke, good ball handling, solid ball movement and nice defensive ability. Extremely low maintenance, offensively.

Milton and Ojeleye are the marquee guys, but if I had to have any of the three to round out my roster, I'd choose Brown.

[Negrodamus]

South Carolina is annihilating Tennessee halfway through the first half. Dozier having a game.

[Negrodamus]

This SMU team is a legit squad that could make a run. I still really like Sterling Brown as an undrafted free agent.

6'6" 230 pound SG with a great shooting stroke, good ball handling, solid ball movement and nice defensive ability. Extremely low maintenance, offensively.

Milton and Ojeleye are the marquee guys, but if I had to have any of the three to round out my roster, I'd choose Brown.

I agree. Their starters are all 6'6 or taller and move the ball extremely well while playing impressive defense. With no team pulling away from the pack this season, they have as good of any to go deep in the tourney.

[Negrodamus]

Clemson giving FSU trouble. Jaron Blossomgame is playing extremely well. Clemson is struggling with Ojo's length since I turned it on.

[Kobblehead]

Devin Robinson of Florida could be an interesting NBA prospect after his senior year. Needs to gain about 10 pounds and increase the volume on his scoring first.