Markelle Fultz Discussion

[76ciology]

Fultz is going to be great. I am more worried about Simmons. A lot of the concerns people have about Fultz, they existed for Kyrie Irving. Yet Fultz is bigger, longer and a better passer. And his late-bloomer status/age is something people have to keep in mind.

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[oddwolfhooligan]

LSU went 19-14 with Simmons and narrowly missed the tournament with a pretty awful team (10-21 this past season)

Washington went 9-22 with Fultz on an equally bad team with a coach who was halfway out the door all year.

And I get it, Simmons is the type of player who elevates his team to be better, fair enough

Which is why you WOULD trade up for someone like Simmons.

Fultz put up a bunch of stats that had to come from somebody. Is he a #1 type of talent? Possibly, who am I to say?

Is he worth trading for?

hell no

Just to be clear, in no way are LSU and UW comparable situations. LSU had at least 3 guys after Simmons who would've been better than anyone else that Fultz had on his team.

Who did Simmons have? I watched most LSU games and their roster was absolutely terrible and their coaching even worse.

Antonio Blakeney? He flamed out big time and was one of the biggest disappointments in College. Went from the #15 ranked kid by ESPN before his rookie season, to not even being in the top 100 after his 2nd season as a Sophomore.

Definitely not Tim Quarterman... he wasn't even nationally ranked in the top 100. Just an awful player who couldn't pass to save his life.

Keith Hornsby? Again not even ranked top 100 and had an awful shot. He also missed most of the season with an injury. Better known for being Bruce Hornsby's son than a basketballer.

Factor in that Simmons was played out of position the entire season, was frozen out for extended periods of the game because he was playing in the post and nobody could get him the ball, player politics with the senior players not being happy with Simmons and Blakeney being "the saviours" and he virtually had no chance of doing well at LSU.

At least Fultz was the primary ball handler at Washington and could control his own destiny. The primary ball handler at LSU was Tim Quarterman... much to Simmons disappointment and Rich Paul's frustration. The only time Simmons was given the ball and became the point guard was when they were down 10 with 3 mins to go and it was too late.

Believe me, I understand that LSU's team was terrible. However, as underwhelming as they all are, Hornsby, Blakeney, and Victor all would've immediately become the second best player on UW and there's a case for Quarterman as well. Washington's roster beyond Fultz was one of the most pathetic Pac-12 rosters of the past decade.

Also, keep in mind that LSU's record would have been absolutely worse if Simmons missed 6 games like Fultz.

[Brauer]

Fultz is going to be great. I am more worried about Simmons. A lot of the concerns people have about Fultz, they existed for Kyrie Irving. Yet Fultz is bigger, longer and a better passer. And his late-bloomer status/age is something people have to keep in mind.

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[76ciology]

Fultz is going to be great. I am more worried about Simmons. A lot of the concerns people have about Fultz, they existed for Kyrie Irving. Yet Fultz is bigger, longer and a better passer. And his late-bloomer status/age is something people have to keep in mind.

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I imagine Ben Simmons playing Draymond Green role. Playmaker with getting the ball to Fultz off ball, Biid alley-oop or another forward slashing. Off ball as a roll man via Fultz PnR.

[XtremeDunkz]

This season can't start soon enough. 4 more months of these discussions is going to suck.

[Brauer]

Fultz is going to be great. I am more worried about Simmons. A lot of the concerns people have about Fultz, they existed for Kyrie Irving. Yet Fultz is bigger, longer and a better passer. And his late-bloomer status/age is something people have to keep in mind.

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I imagine Ben Simmons playing Draymond Green role. Playmaker with getting the ball to Fultz off ball, Biid alley-oop or another forward slashing. Off ball as a roll man via Fultz PnR.

I agree with this. Was thinking similarly. I am still high on Simmons btw, I am just super high on Fultz. I am definitely gonna watch every Sixers game next season, extremely excited.

[shawn_hemp]

It's not that I hate Fultz, I just hate that we gave up a pick to get him. If you think he's that much better than Ball, Jackson, or Isaac, then I guess this trade would make sense.

I just dont personally feel that way about Fultz, and thats pretty much all there is to say

[shawn_hemp]

Fultz is going to be great. I am more worried about Simmons. A lot of the concerns people have about Fultz, they existed for Kyrie Irving. Yet Fultz is bigger, longer and a better passer. And his late-bloomer status/age is something people have to keep in mind.

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maybe wasnt the toughest team LSU played that year...

[76ciology]

It's not that I hate Fultz, I just hate that we gave up a pick to get him. If you think he's that much better than Ball, Jackson, or Isaac, then I guess this trade would make sense.

I just dont personally feel that way about Fultz, and thats pretty much all there is to say

Let's say for the sake of discussion all 4 of them are in the same tier as prospects..

Who among those guys will likely to overachieve on our team by benefitting off playing with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid?

Fultz with Sixers >>> Fultz with Celtics, Ball with Sixers, Isaac with Sixers or Jackson with Sixers

That's how I see it.

At some point we're going to overpay for that perimeter star player. And Fultz seems like a prime choice or atleast a good bet for us to overpay considering everything.

Fultz with the Sixers won't be the alpha where he is asked to carry an entire team on his shoulders and this also means taking a lot of shots. With the Sixers, he can take the shots less challenged and pass up the shots that are heavily challenged. Similar to how Kyrie game was elevated with LBJ or KD's game was elevated playing with Warriors.

[shawn_hemp]

It's not that I hate Fultz, I just hate that we gave up a pick to get him. If you think he's that much better than Ball, Jackson, or Isaac, then I guess this trade would make sense.

I just dont personally feel that way about Fultz, and thats pretty much all there is to say

Let's say for the sake of discussion all 4 of them are in the same tier as prospects..

Who among those guys will likely to overachieve on our team by benefitting off playing with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid?

Fultz with Sixers >>> Fultz with Celtics, Ball with Sixers, Isaac with Sixers or Jackson with Sixers

That's how I see it.

At some point we're going to overpay for that perimeter star player. And Fultz seems like a prime choice or atleast a good bet for us to overpay considering everything.

Fultz with the Sixers won't be the alpha where he is asked to carry an entire team on his shoulders and this also means taking a lot of shots. With the Sixers, he can take the shots less challenged and pass up the shots that are heavily challenged. Similar to how Kyrie game was elevated with LBJ or KD's game was elevated playing with Warriors.

you dont feel like Lonzo Ball would have been a greater beneficiary of this type of playing style?

everything about Lonzo is just...faster than Fultz. His passes, the speed which he plays at, the decisions he makes. It all happens boom, boom,boom,boom.

That would have meshed perfectly with Simmons. No idea where this whole "they cant play together" spiel started.

Fultz is great at taking people off the dribble, but if he just got a chest pass from Simmons and there's a guy open for a corner 3, who do you trust more to find that shot as quickly as possible: Ball or Fultz?

[76ciology]

It's not that I hate Fultz, I just hate that we gave up a pick to get him. If you think he's that much better than Ball, Jackson, or Isaac, then I guess this trade would make sense.

I just dont personally feel that way about Fultz, and thats pretty much all there is to say

Let's say for the sake of discussion all 4 of them are in the same tier as prospects..

Who among those guys will likely to overachieve on our team by benefitting off playing with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid?

Fultz with Sixers >>> Fultz with Celtics, Ball with Sixers, Isaac with Sixers or Jackson with Sixers

That's how I see it.

At some point we're going to overpay for that perimeter star player. And Fultz seems like a prime choice or atleast a good bet for us to overpay considering everything.

Fultz with the Sixers won't be the alpha where he is asked to carry an entire team on his shoulders and this also means taking a lot of shots. With the Sixers, he can take the shots less challenged and pass up the shots that are heavily challenged. Similar to how Kyrie game was elevated with LBJ or KD's game was elevated playing with Warriors.

you dont feel like Lonzo Ball would have been a greater beneficiary of this type of playing style?

everything about Lonzo is just...faster than Fultz. His passes, the speed which he plays at, the decisions he makes. It all happens boom, boom,boom,boom.

That would have meshed perfectly with Simmons. No idea where this whole "they cant play together" spiel started.

Fultz is great at taking people off the dribble, but if he just got a chest pass from Simmons and there's a guy open for a corner 3, who do you trust more to find that shot as quickly as possible: Ball or Fultz?

Lonzo's best asset is his passing, that is redundant with simmons when both Simmon and Ball have big question with their scoring.

Somebody's gotta be a scorer at the perimeter, it likely wont be ball and simmons.

Not saying a bad fit. Just saying Fultz-Simmons is more optimal than Lonzo-Simmons. You just got a lot more options or counters with Fultz-Simmons that will make it more optimal.

[Stribor]

Fultz is really a no brainer. While I could have understood love for JJ when we saw we are third and people wanted to conform themselves a bit, now I do not get it. As 76ciology said somebody has to be a scorer. And Fultz is the best option that we have atm. With rule changes league become heavily scorer dominated, and as much as I understand love for bigs - its past time. We need not only Fultz but one more guard in the future if we want to challenge. Great big like Embid is absolutely right thing to have, but his greatest assets are defense and scoring. We need one elite D+3 guy (RoCo hopefully), Saric with improved shooting, Fultz that gets to at least level of the good starter in the contender and Simmons with improved shooting. I think that we have assets to sort defense and that Simmons and perhaps Fultz could become good defenders on their positions, but shooting is the key to the trophies.

[Arsenal]

In the end I'm okay with the trade up considering the cost, the protections on the picks, and the fact that there is no guarantee we would have gotten Fultz OR Lonzo at #3 overall. Posturing aside, I'm pretty sure we would have been stuck with Jackson or Tatum, both of whom are a tier down from Fultz/Lonzo and a worse fit with our current roster. If Fultz hits his projection he's the perfect fit.

As for his physical attributes, people are selling him short. The guy just turned 19 and is likely still growing. He's already between 6'4' and 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan and 8'6" standing reach as of age 17/18. When it's all said and done he's likely to be just as tall and just as long as James Harden. He will likely be just as tall and longer than Brandon Roy. He'll likely be taller and just as long as Dwyane Wade. Prototypical SG size. He'll be able to defend both backcourt positions and even SF's in a switch scheme.

[bball4life]

Something else to consider.

Fultz is a fighter. He didn't make varsity his first try. And it fueled his fire and work ethic to the point he became dominant.

I love the fact that Boston trading out of first has the psychological component where they didnt think he was worth a number one pick. I hope that fuels him to dominate and destroy Boston for the next 15 years.

Conversely, I hope he feels the love and loyalty he's getting from the Sixers and works his ass off to prove them right for moving up.

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[Hipster Doofus]

This season can't start soon enough. 4 more months of these discussions is going to suck.

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[brannigan73]

Here is an article for the haters on why Fultz is a great prospect. It focuses on actual skills that the NBA values and how Fultz excels at them not the ether nonsense talk that often goes on or totally abstract statistical only discussions like the nonsense chart that was posted that claims to be able to tell you the exact percent chance a guy will be a bust, starter, star, or roleplayer where no one even knows exactly how they came up with the percentages.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-makes-markelle-fultz-an-nba-draft-favorite/?addata=espn:nba:index

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[cksdayoff]

here's markelle fultz passing to his bum ass teammates

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note the amount of attention he draws as soon as he touches the ball. almost always two defenders on him

[MR28]

I'll never understand why those videos are in French.