Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Unbreakable99]

First of all, it's Bryan, not Brian. No offense, but it's hard to take someone's opinion seriously who doesn't even know how to spell the dude's name.

Secondly, that's the price for moving up from 3 to 1. You think teams move up to #1 for 2nd rounders? That's not reality.

I mean, if you don't like Fultz you don't like him, but the price to move up to #1 was not over payment. That's the price it costs to move up in the NBA.

I've been following his moves for the last 10 years. My bad, I should have just focused on his name and not his endless mistakes.

I don't have a problem with the price. I have a problem with the Strategy.
Giving up a high lottery pick to go from 3 to 1 is a huge gamble. It means you think the gap between the players is so large that it justifies giving up a highly coveted asset who might turn out to be an all star. It means you think Fultz will be a superstar, a top5 player in the league (or you think the rest of the draft suck. which is obviously not the case).

You can't get all of the picks right. That's why you need several of those high picks.
BC gambled with our upside. If Futlz turns out to be the best player of this draft by a large margin - fine. He wins. If he's not - it was a really big mistake. If he busts completely, BC (Bryan for you) has destroyed the process with just one move and you can forget about a championship in Philly.

You're being way too overdramatic. All he has to do is be great for this team for it to be a good deal, because we have no idea how other players would fit on this team. Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox on their respective teams isn't the same as how they would perform on the Sixers.

They traded up for Fultz, because a) they considered him the best player in the draft and b) he fit the team the best. Don't you recall months of debating how guys in this draft would fit on this team with Simmons because they can't shoot? You think De'Aaron Fox can play with Simmons based on what you've seen the first two games? Ball? Tatum would be coming off the bench for us, because Cov is our starter and will be for the foreseeable future. So unless you wanna start Tatum at the 4(which would be asinine) taking Tatum means we would have drafted a bench guy with our #3 overall pick.

BC has had a good drafting track record and can evaluate prospects well. He saw the guy he wanted for this team and went for it. Stop obsessing over that damn draft pick. It will not make our break our rebuild, I promise you.

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

[eyeatoma]

I've been following his moves for the last 10 years. My bad, I should have just focused on his name and not his endless mistakes.

I don't have a problem with the price. I have a problem with the Strategy.
Giving up a high lottery pick to go from 3 to 1 is a huge gamble. It means you think the gap between the players is so large that it justifies giving up a highly coveted asset who might turn out to be an all star. It means you think Fultz will be a superstar, a top5 player in the league (or you think the rest of the draft suck. which is obviously not the case).

You can't get all of the picks right. That's why you need several of those high picks.
BC gambled with our upside. If Futlz turns out to be the best player of this draft by a large margin - fine. He wins. If he's not - it was a really big mistake. If he busts completely, BC (Bryan for you) has destroyed the process with just one move and you can forget about a championship in Philly.

You're being way too overdramatic. All he has to do is be great for this team for it to be a good deal, because we have no idea how other players would fit on this team. Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox on their respective teams isn't the same as how they would perform on the Sixers.

They traded up for Fultz, because a) they considered him the best player in the draft and b) he fit the team the best. Don't you recall months of debating how guys in this draft would fit on this team with Simmons because they can't shoot? You think De'Aaron Fox can play with Simmons based on what you've seen the first two games? Ball? Tatum would be coming off the bench for us, because Cov is our starter and will be for the foreseeable future. So unless you wanna start Tatum at the 4(which would be asinine) taking Tatum means we would have drafted a bench guy with our #3 overall pick.

BC has had a good drafting track record and can evaluate prospects well. He saw the guy he wanted for this team and went for it. Stop obsessing over that damn draft pick. It will not make our break our rebuild, I promise you.

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

[Cassius]

Hey, Raptors fan living a short ways from Philly. I hate Colangelo, and the Lakers, so I'm really hopeful that Fultz hits for you guys AND harder than Ball at that. Having watched the Raptors struggle through the playoffs every year, especially one year when Kyle had a bursa sac on his elbow, I really hope they just rest Fultz instead of his confidence potentially getting messed up so early in his career. I think back to William Avery and how young he was and hope that doesn't happen to Markelle.

Anyways, good luck tonight, I don't think your team is 0-3 bad and we're coming off an extended preseason win against the Bulls, so I anticipate a Raptors L if Covington bothers our small forwards enough to kill the spacing. I do expect Simmons to end up in the spin cycle against Demar on a few occasions though.

[Unbreakable99]

You're being way too overdramatic. All he has to do is be great for this team for it to be a good deal, because we have no idea how other players would fit on this team. Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox on their respective teams isn't the same as how they would perform on the Sixers.

They traded up for Fultz, because a) they considered him the best player in the draft and b) he fit the team the best. Don't you recall months of debating how guys in this draft would fit on this team with Simmons because they can't shoot? You think De'Aaron Fox can play with Simmons based on what you've seen the first two games? Ball? Tatum would be coming off the bench for us, because Cov is our starter and will be for the foreseeable future. So unless you wanna start Tatum at the 4(which would be asinine) taking Tatum means we would have drafted a bench guy with our #3 overall pick.

BC has had a good drafting track record and can evaluate prospects well. He saw the guy he wanted for this team and went for it. Stop obsessing over that damn draft pick. It will not make our break our rebuild, I promise you.

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

[Eyeamok]

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

But the only way you give up assets as good as Bagley/Doncic or Porter is if the Lakers Suck. But the Lakers have Ball who is the second coming. So there is no way the Lakers pick is going to land these guys right?

[Unbreakable99]

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

But the only way you give up assets as good as Bagley/Doncic or Porter is if the Lakers Suck. But the Lakers have Ball who is the second coming. So there is no way the Lakers pick is going to land these guys right?

Even LeBron missed the playoffs as a rookie.

[LloydFree]

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

It sucks to be laughed at, but that's the least of our problems, IMO. The problem I have, is we have a GM stupid enough to make that kind of ridiculous deal. That doesn't give me confidence he will have the ability to make good deals in the future and it certainly doesnt give me confidence he can project domestic college talent in the draft. Colangelo's only great non-Simmons, college draft pick in 20 years was Shawn Marion.

[Unbreakable99]

Doesn't really matter if we messed up the pick. In the end we haven't done any of our key players justice. All of them have been underwhelming this season in some way or another. If we brought in Bagley, he would be asked to change he is to accommodate other players, and that's not the sign of a good organization.

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

It sucks to be laughed at, but that's the least of our problems, IMO. The problem I have, is we have a GM stupid enough to make that kind of ridiculous deal. That doesn't give me confidence he will have the ability to make good deals in the future and it certainly doesnt give me confidence he can project domestic college talent in the draft. Colangelo's only great non-Simmons, college draft pick in 20 years was Shawn Marion.

You’re making me sad.

[Sprewell4Three]

Its been 2 games. Relax, read a book

[Eyeamok]

It does matter. You don’t give up assets as good as Bagley or Doncic or Porter Jr for Fultz. I’m just so furious. I can’t believe how badly Ainge fleeced BC. It was like taking candy from a baby. You don’t pay 100K for a Toyota Camry. That’s what BC did and Boston fans are laughing at all of us. They are so giddy and so happy. Smh.

But the only way you give up assets as good as Bagley/Doncic or Porter is if the Lakers Suck. But the Lakers have Ball who is the second coming. So there is no way the Lakers pick is going to land these guys right?

Even LeBron missed the playoffs as a rookie.

True and the West is brutal. But you don't believe enough in Ball to believe he can move the Lakers beyond the 5th worse team?

[Ericb5]

Its been 2 games. Relax, read a book

It’s crazy what people focus on. We have two of the top young players in the league, a bunch of other intriguing pieces, and assets, and we just had two straight good showings against top 4 teams in the east.

We won 10 games the year before last and we are going to win over 40 this year if we stay healthy. The trajectory is overwhelmingly positive.

It’s such an exciting time to be a Sixer fan. As long as Embiid and Simmons stay healthy we will be contending for real in a couple of years.

Each game should be enjoyed in perspective. We are not a good team yet, but we are no longer a bad one. Let’s trust the process a bit.


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[Negrodamus]

Besides the evidence that I showed with Brett Brown's comments, I do think the shot was an injury:

https://youtu.be/8RNzkPVIJ8Y?t=34s


This shot is decidedly different than his free throw against the Wizards and in preseason. His right hand is under the ball. I think the only issue really left is the lack of a fluid motion. He starts the process of the free throw with the ball at his eyes, which cannot feel normal to him.

Here's the scrimmage:

https://youtu.be/pilHI3oq7YI?t=53s

Here's the preseason game against the Celtics:

https://youtu.be/vJ1wo3rzf14?t=2s


Here's the Wizards game for contrast:

https://youtu.be/zMjujWb7KD4?t=30s


Here is the (somewhat) fluid motion in college:

https://youtu.be/nXWvJA-a7bM?t=23s

I feel like there's a progression to looking close to normal at the Celtics games, and now needs to go through the full fluid motion for it to be a normal shot again. But I'll tell you what, if he can shoot 70+% shooting his FTs like he did last night, then hitch away.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I've been following his moves for the last 10 years. My bad, I should have just focused on his name and not his endless mistakes.

I don't have a problem with the price. I have a problem with the Strategy.
Giving up a high lottery pick to go from 3 to 1 is a huge gamble. It means you think the gap between the players is so large that it justifies giving up a highly coveted asset who might turn out to be an all star. It means you think Fultz will be a superstar, a top5 player in the league (or you think the rest of the draft suck. which is obviously not the case).

You can't get all of the picks right. That's why you need several of those high picks.
BC gambled with our upside. If Futlz turns out to be the best player of this draft by a large margin - fine. He wins. If he's not - it was a really big mistake. If he busts completely, BC (Bryan for you) has destroyed the process with just one move and you can forget about a championship in Philly.

You're being way too overdramatic. All he has to do is be great for this team for it to be a good deal, because we have no idea how other players would fit on this team. Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox on their respective teams isn't the same as how they would perform on the Sixers.

They traded up for Fultz, because a) they considered him the best player in the draft and b) he fit the team the best. Don't you recall months of debating how guys in this draft would fit on this team with Simmons because they can't shoot? You think De'Aaron Fox can play with Simmons based on what you've seen the first two games? Ball? Tatum would be coming off the bench for us, because Cov is our starter and will be for the foreseeable future. So unless you wanna start Tatum at the 4(which would be asinine) taking Tatum means we would have drafted a bench guy with our #3 overall pick.

BC has had a good drafting track record and can evaluate prospects well. He saw the guy he wanted for this team and went for it. Stop obsessing over that damn draft pick. It will not make our break our rebuild, I promise you.

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

[Mik317]

its funny that people said we couldn't take Fox because he couldn't shoot or play off the ball.

welp.

yes imma be that guy

[LloydFree]

its funny that people said we couldn't take Fox because he couldn't shoot or play off the ball.

welp.

yes imma be that guy

One of those smug contrarians that wants everyone to know he he's smarter than the consensus. This is ruining my experience...

[Mik317]

its funny that people said we couldn't take Fox because he couldn't shoot or play off the ball.

welp.

yes imma be that guy

One of those smug contrarians that wants everyone to know he he's smarter than the consensus. This is ruining my experience...

touche.

I couldn't contain it any longer

[Negrodamus]

its funny that people said we couldn't take Fox because he couldn't shoot or play off the ball.

welp.

yes imma be that guy

I was definitely team Fox over Fultz due to how unbelievably fast/quick De'Aaron was. He's a blur.

[Unbreakable99]

You're being way too overdramatic. All he has to do is be great for this team for it to be a good deal, because we have no idea how other players would fit on this team. Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox on their respective teams isn't the same as how they would perform on the Sixers.

They traded up for Fultz, because a) they considered him the best player in the draft and b) he fit the team the best. Don't you recall months of debating how guys in this draft would fit on this team with Simmons because they can't shoot? You think De'Aaron Fox can play with Simmons based on what you've seen the first two games? Ball? Tatum would be coming off the bench for us, because Cov is our starter and will be for the foreseeable future. So unless you wanna start Tatum at the 4(which would be asinine) taking Tatum means we would have drafted a bench guy with our #3 overall pick.

BC has had a good drafting track record and can evaluate prospects well. He saw the guy he wanted for this team and went for it. Stop obsessing over that damn draft pick. It will not make our break our rebuild, I promise you.

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

If Ainge is such a horrible GM then what does that make BC for getting fleeced by him in a trade? You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is? Fultz was not the best player. And I think it’s amazing you know for sure the Celtics won’t get Bagley lol. Tonight is Fultz’s chance to ball out with Embiid out. Fultz can take more shots.

[LloydFree]

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

If Ainge is such a horrible GM then what does that make BC for getting fleeced by him in a trade? You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is? Fultz was not the best player. And I think it’s amazing you know for sure the Celtics won’t get Bagley lol. Tonight is Fultz’s chance to ball out with Embiid out. Fultz can take more shots.

Ainge "Hinkie'd" Colangelo for the same lottery pick Hinkie "Hinkie'd" from Divac. A high lottery pick just given away for Air. We laughed at Divac, so the Celtics fans have every right to laugh at the 76ers.

[LongLiveHinkie]

And that’s the problem. Fultz was not the best player in the draft. BC gave up way too much for a player like Fultz. Didn’t anyone think it was odd Ainge didn’t want Fultz? It was a joke that we traded up for him. So stupid. We will see how people feel when the Celtics get Bagley and see if they are happy we gave up that pick.

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

If Ainge is such a horrible GM then what does that make BC for getting fleeced by him in a trade? You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is? Fultz was not the best player. And I think it’s amazing you know for sure the Celtics won’t get Bagley lol. Tonight is Fultz’s chance to ball out with Embiid out. Fultz can take more shots.

He didn't get fleeced, Colangelo fleeced Ainge. The price to move up to #1 is typically so much greater, he moved up on a bargain and got the best player and the best fit.

Fultz is not going to shoot more, he's not healthy enough yet.