Welcome Tobias Harris

[76ciology]

He’s been very impressive on defense.

16 DFGA per game.
6.7 DFGA <6ft. per game

He challenges second most shots next to Embiid.

Second behind Embiid in shots defended below 6ft & 6.5dfga while defenders shoot 7% below their average (Biid is at -7.7%). Based on that number, Tobias protects the rim almost as frequent as Al Horford (6.6dfga) and is better at limiting his opponents fg% (horford at -5.9dfg%)

His dfga and dfg% at shots below 6ft are comparable to Al Horford and Jarett Allen

That feels noisy and really doesn't match the eye test at all.

He's been better on on defense than I expected though. Not a playmaker or stopper on that end, but he can hold his own in the post and on the perimeter.

I’ve been trying to figure out the problem with our defense. And for me it passes the eyetest. We frequently have Tobias as the second line of defense around the rim.

He’s not a lock down defender but he’s been great on his rotations and have been challenging shots on a high volume

[youngcrev]

Second behind Embiid in shots defended below 6ft & 6.5dfga while defenders shoot 7% below their average (Biid is at -7.7%). Based on that number, Tobias protects the rim almost as frequent as Al Horford (6.6dfga) and is better at limiting his opponents fg% (horford at -5.9dfg%)

His dfga and dfg% at shots below 6ft are comparable to Al Horford and Jarett Allen

That feels noisy and really doesn't match the eye test at all.

He's been better on on defense than I expected though. Not a playmaker or stopper on that end, but he can hold his own in the post and on the perimeter.

I’ve been trying to figure out the problem with our defense. And for me it passes the eyetest. We frequently have Tobias as the second line of defense around the rim.

He’s not a lock down defender but he’s been great on his rotations and have been challenging shots on a high volume

I think the problems with our defense our systemic. There's really no reason this shouldn't be a good defensive team with the talent they have. JJ stinks on that end, but you should be able to hide one bad defender, and it's not like he gets hunted non-stop in the regular season. They miss Lloyd Pierce more than I expected.

[Sixerscan]

That feels noisy and really doesn't match the eye test at all.

He's been better on on defense than I expected though. Not a playmaker or stopper on that end, but he can hold his own in the post and on the perimeter.

I’ve been trying to figure out the problem with our defense. And for me it passes the eyetest. We frequently have Tobias as the second line of defense around the rim.

He’s not a lock down defender but he’s been great on his rotations and have been challenging shots on a high volume

I think the problems with our defense our systemic. There's really no reason this shouldn't be a good defensive team with the talent they have. JJ stinks on that end, but you should be able to hide one bad defender, and it's not like he gets hunted non-stop in the regular season. They miss Lloyd Pierce more than I expected.

I think a big part of it is not having a consistent rotation all year between the Fultz stuff and the trades. The system they put in place in the beginning of the year has a lot of rules with switching, rotations ect. And yeah guys are supposed to call stuff out but to really get to the highest level of it you need to be reacting instinctively. You only get there through reps and familiarity. I thought they had it down during the beginning of that tough stretch at the end of January (culminating in a very strong defensive performance at the Warriors) but then Redick and Chandler sat some games, the trades happened, and now obviously Embiid has been out. So they've sort of had to start all over again.

The end of the Bulls game is a great example. At one point Redick got caught with Lopez posting him up, he and Simmons were able to just quickly switch, and Simmons took Lopez by surprise and stole the ball (And then turned it over on the other end but we don't have to get into that). A big reason why the two of them were able to execute that so effectively is that they've played together in this system all year, had a training camp to learn it ect.

On the other hand you have that end of game missed switch by Scott, who's only been here a month, which led to Lavine's game winner.

This is a big reason why teams tend to not want to make big trades during the season. Hopefully they figure it out by the playoffs, and guys stick around and really get it right in camp next year.

[youngcrev]

I’ve been trying to figure out the problem with our defense. And for me it passes the eyetest. We frequently have Tobias as the second line of defense around the rim.

He’s not a lock down defender but he’s been great on his rotations and have been challenging shots on a high volume

I think the problems with our defense our systemic. There's really no reason this shouldn't be a good defensive team with the talent they have. JJ stinks on that end, but you should be able to hide one bad defender, and it's not like he gets hunted non-stop in the regular season. They miss Lloyd Pierce more than I expected.

I think a big part of it is not having a consistent rotation all year between the Fultz stuff and the trades. The system they put in place in the beginning of the year has a lot of rules with switching, rotations ect. And yeah guys are supposed to call stuff out but to really get to the highest level of it you need to be reacting instinctively. You only get there through reps and familiarity. I thought they had it down during the beginning of that tough stretch at the end of January (culminating in a very strong defensive performance at the Warriors) but then Redick and Chandler sat some games, the trades happened, and now obviously Embiid has been out. So they've sort of had to start all over again.

The end of the Bulls game is a great example. At one point Redick got caught with Lopez posting him up, he and Simmons were able to just quickly switch, and Simmons took Lopez by surprise and stole the ball (And then turned it over on the other end but we don't have to get into that). A big reason why the two of them were able to execute that so effectively is that they've played together in this system all year, had a training camp to learn it ect.

On the other hand you have that end of game missed switch by Scott, who's only been here a month, which led to Lavine's game winner.

This is a big reason why teams tend to not want to make big trades during the season. Hopefully they figure it out by the playoffs, and guys stick around and really get it right in camp next year.

Sure, that's definitely a big part of it, though they've gotten abused by pick and roll guards the entire season. From the jump it felt like an over adjustment to the system because the Boston series.

But really, if the system involves complicated concepts that take some time implement, they need to recognize that they might not have time to do that with all the new pieces, and adjust accordingly. Reminds me of when Malcolm Jenkins went to Jim Schwartz and asked him to simplify the defense with all the news guys coming in off the street this year due to the injuries.

Doesn't help that the new system didn't seem to be all that effective in the first place.

[Sixerscan]

I think the problems with our defense our systemic. There's really no reason this shouldn't be a good defensive team with the talent they have. JJ stinks on that end, but you should be able to hide one bad defender, and it's not like he gets hunted non-stop in the regular season. They miss Lloyd Pierce more than I expected.

I think a big part of it is not having a consistent rotation all year between the Fultz stuff and the trades. The system they put in place in the beginning of the year has a lot of rules with switching, rotations ect. And yeah guys are supposed to call stuff out but to really get to the highest level of it you need to be reacting instinctively. You only get there through reps and familiarity. I thought they had it down during the beginning of that tough stretch at the end of January (culminating in a very strong defensive performance at the Warriors) but then Redick and Chandler sat some games, the trades happened, and now obviously Embiid has been out. So they've sort of had to start all over again.

The end of the Bulls game is a great example. At one point Redick got caught with Lopez posting him up, he and Simmons were able to just quickly switch, and Simmons took Lopez by surprise and stole the ball (And then turned it over on the other end but we don't have to get into that). A big reason why the two of them were able to execute that so effectively is that they've played together in this system all year, had a training camp to learn it ect.

On the other hand you have that end of game missed switch by Scott, who's only been here a month, which led to Lavine's game winner.

This is a big reason why teams tend to not want to make big trades during the season. Hopefully they figure it out by the playoffs, and guys stick around and really get it right in camp next year.

Sure, that's definitely a big part of it, though they've gotten abused by pick and roll guards the entire season. From the jump it felt like an over adjustment to the system because the Boston series.

But really, if the system involves complicated concepts that take some time implement, they need to recognize that they might not have time to do that with all the new pieces, and adjust accordingly. Reminds me of when Malcolm Jenkins went to Jim Schwartz and asked him to simplify the defense with all the news guys coming in off the street this year due to the injuries.

Doesn't help that the new system didn't seem to be all that effective in the first place.

I mean I think it's not something that happens overnight, but it seems like something they can figure out between an early february trade and the end of the year. Chandler missed camp and then looked lost when he first started playing again, but he looked good by the end of January when they had that effective run.

Brown has talked about simplifying stuff but I don't think it's something you just completely give up on, especially when this stuff is happening with your best player that you built the system based on (and his backup) not playing.

[the_process]

So according to the news feed above, Tobias had the Sixers on his list for FA even before the trade.

Which is good in that they should be able to come to a reasonable agreement below a full max (5-150 sounds about right). And is extremely bad in that the Sixers 100% officially wasted a ton of assets on an expiring player that very well could've signed here anyway. And didn't even get any good bench players to go along with him! Just a stupid, stupid trade.

All championship teams have multiple stars, the difference between being a contender and being a champion is in the margins. Yet again, the Sixers suck in the margins.

[Embiid P]

So according to the news feed above, Tobias had the Sixers on his list for FA even before the trade.

Which is good in that they should be able to come to a reasonable agreement below a full max (5-150 sounds about right). And is extremely bad in that the Sixers 100% officially wasted a ton of assets on an expiring player that very well could've signed here anyway. And didn't even get any good bench players to go along with him! Just a stupid, stupid trade.

All championship teams have multiple stars, the difference between being a contender and being a champion is in the margins. Yet again, the Sixers suck in the margins.

Keep in mind that EB also made the deal for Harris with THIS season in mind. I think it's still too early to judge the trade especially since the Sixers have only been at full strength for 5 games since the trade. As it stands now, the Sixers are 4-1 since the trade in the games that Embiid has played in and could have very easily been 5-0.

[XtremeDunkz]

Also just because we were on his list (he could also just be saying that to sound good) doesnt mean we were number 1.

[the_process]

Also just because we were on his list (he could also just be saying that to sound good) doesnt mean we were number 1.

It's a bad trade regardless, the fact that Tobias might have signed in Philly anyway makes it worse IMO.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So according to the news feed above, Tobias had the Sixers on his list for FA even before the trade.

Which is good in that they should be able to come to a reasonable agreement below a full max (5-150 sounds about right). And is extremely bad in that the Sixers 100% officially wasted a ton of assets on an expiring player that very well could've signed here anyway. And didn't even get any good bench players to go along with him! Just a stupid, stupid trade.

All championship teams have multiple stars, the difference between being a contender and being a champion is in the margins. Yet again, the Sixers suck in the margins.

Eh, Brooklyn was going to make a really hard push for him in the offseason, considering he's from Long Island I'd say that if the money is equal he would have picked the Nets over the Sixers. The Sixers have his bird rights now and can give him the extra year.

[XtremeDunkz]

Also just because we were on his list (he could also just be saying that to sound good) doesnt mean we were number 1.

It's a bad trade regardless, the fact that Tobias might have signed in Philly anyway makes it worse IMO.

We traded a late 1st (which our track record with is terrible) the Miami 1st (see Kings pick this year, teams that have no reason to lose dont get high picks) and Shamet for a 26 year old borderline all star entering his prime who fits the team perfectly. If thats a bad trade to you I cant help you.

[LloydFree]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

[Foshan]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

Totally agree with this. My first impression was over pay (and maybe still is a little), but 1) I would never have wanted to give him the money required to leave LA for here, now seeing him I love it. 2) this is a media thing thing about being on the list. He has to say that, if he doesn’t, at best he’s a jerk at worse he is divisive because now everyone is worried he is leaving. Both situations potentially hurt his team and maybe his wallet.

[gdog2004]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

Damn right. He is a max player for this team, it is a no brainer to resign him.
He is as close to a perfect fit as Klay Thompson would have been.

[Stanford]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

Absolutely. I would have considered giving Tobias a big deal in the offseason to be a disaster in the short and long term. Boy was I wrong.

Also just because we were on his list (he could also just be saying that to sound good) doesnt mean we were number 1.

Exactly. I do think the trade was poor overall, but his comments about the SIxers being on his list don't change anything for me. I'm sure the Lakers were on Paul George's list.

[LloydFree]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

Damn right. He is a max player for this team, it is a no brainer to resign him.
He is as close to a perfect fit as Klay Thompson would have been.

Pretty much. Provides the same effect on offense and isn't a liability on defense. The only difference between the two really is Tobias has expanded his game to get to that level and Klay has always been that level.

[LordCovington33]

Also just because we were on his list (he could also just be saying that to sound good) doesnt mean we were number 1.

It's a bad trade regardless, the fact that Tobias might have signed in Philly anyway makes it worse IMO.

We traded a late 1st (which our track record with is terrible) the Miami 1st (see Kings pick this year, teams that have no reason to lose dont get high picks) and Shamet for a 26 year old borderline all star entering his prime who fits the team perfectly. If thats a bad trade to you I cant help you.

Why do you bother? Seriously.

[gdog2004]

Before the trade, I wasn't a fan of going after Tobias Harris in free agency this Summer. After watching him play with this group, I'd say he was well worth the trade and he should be proritized over both Butler and Redick this Summer.

Damn right. He is a max player for this team, it is a no brainer to resign him.
He is as close to a perfect fit as Klay Thompson would have been.

Pretty much. Provides the same effect on offense and isn't a liability on defense. The only difference between the two really is Tobias has expanded his game to get to that level and Klay has always been that level.

I guess Klay is supposedly a better defender, but Harris is a better rebounder. Seems to me more durable too.

[bball4life]

Damn right. He is a max player for this team, it is a no brainer to resign him.
He is as close to a perfect fit as Klay Thompson would have been.

Pretty much. Provides the same effect on offense and isn't a liability on defense. The only difference between the two really is Tobias has expanded his game to get to that level and Klay has always been that level.

I guess Klay is supposedly a better defender, but Harris is a better rebounder. Seems to me more durable too.

If you believe in the RPM stat Tobias is a better defender this year. And lets not forget Tobias is guarding PFs which makes him a better roster fit with this current Sixer team. I also think that Tobias' game is more versatile while he is not quite the shooter Klay is.

[Mrcrockpots]

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