Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Phillyboy]

Do Beal or Booker ask out after another season spent losing?

Things might fall into place for us in terms of available 3rd bananas this summer. Would be nice if we still had some of that war chest of assets in place.

Neither Beal or Booker would be third bananas here. I just don't see either being available to us unless we offered one of our 2 star players in return. From their point of view those two guys are their franchise players and I think they would only trade them either for multiple FRPs to rebuild or for a big name player to put their team on the map. If you were Washington or Phoenix would you trade for a package where the best player in the return package is Harris, Horford and/or Richardson? (Especially with Harris and Horford's contracts) They can surely get better offers elsewhere. With all due respect if we want one of those two guys we'll have to go big. (And I prefer Beal over Booker)

[youngcrev]

Do Beal or Booker ask out after another season spent losing?

Things might fall into place for us in terms of available 3rd bananas this summer. Would be nice if we still had some of that war chest of assets in place.

Neither Beal or Booker would be third bananas here. I just don't see either being available to us unless we offered one of our 2 star players in return. From their point of view those two guys are their franchise players and I think they would only trade them either for multiple FRPs to rebuild or for a big name player to put their team on the map. If you were Washington or Phoenix would you trade for a package where the best player in the return package is Harris, Horford and/or Richardson? (Especially with Harris and Horford's contracts) They can surely get better offers elsewhere. With all due respect if we want one of those two guys we'll have to go big. (And I prefer Beal over Booker)

The second sentence is out of context considering I brought up a bunch of other options that could be gettable with what they have, and not having enough for those 2 is hinted at in the third sentence. You'd probably have to put Ben on the table, which would ultimately be a lateral move. No way in hell would I give up Embiid for either of those guys. He's a vastly superior player, even if he is injury prone.

That said, I do think they'd be able to put a competitive offer on the table if either demanded out. The returns received Anthony Davis and Paul George were outliers, not to mention, neither of those guys is on that level. Some combination of Harris, Richardson, Thybulle, and multiple 1st round picks would certainly have them in the conversation.

[ProcessDoctor]

How would you rank LaVine, Hield, Dinwiddie, CP3, Mitchell, and McCollum as trade targets for this team?

[Negrodamus]

How would you rank LaVine, Hield, Dinwiddie, CP3, Mitchell, and McCollum as trade targets for this team?

Mitchell and LaVine would be the hardest to acquire purely because of age. Mitchell more so than LaVine

Hield and McCollum next.

Dinwiddie would be next and finally CP3.

Dinwiddie still, to me, would be the most logical target because he's valued as a great scoring bench player. However, I don't think this year was a fluke with him as starter. I think he's a better three point shooter than he showed, but was put in a role of a chucker because no one else was really a scorer with Irving, Durant, and LeVert out most of the year. Him getting to the line at an elite rate was enough for me to want us to target him. We should have made a move at the beginning of last year.

[Kobblehead]

Regarding Dinwiddie, I think it would depend on whether or not Embiid/Simmons would set aside their egos and embrace Dinwiddie as a closer and #1 option. And it would depend on whether or not Brett Brown would forgive defensive lapses from Spencer.

[ProcessDoctor]

How would you rank LaVine, Hield, Dinwiddie, CP3, Mitchell, and McCollum as trade targets for this team?

Mitchell and LaVine would be the hardest to acquire purely because of age. Mitchell more so than LaVine

Hield and McCollum next.

Dinwiddie would be next and finally CP3.

Dinwiddie still, to me, would be the most logical target because he's valued as a great scoring bench player. However, I don't think this year was a fluke with him as starter. I think he's a better three point shooter than he showed, but was put in a role of a chucker because no one else was really a scorer with Irving, Durant, and LeVert out most of the year. Him getting to the line at an elite rate was enough for me to want us to target him. We should have made a move at the beginning of last year.

Dinwiddie is interesting. He isn’t at the top of the list for me either, but I agree he probably needs a new home. LaVine and Mitchell would cost the most, but they’d be true 3rd stars for this team IMO. They also each have teammates with large expirings I’d be willing to take on (Porter, Conley).

CJ is borderline 3rd star, but his age and contract give me pause, although I’d still do it.

LaVine, Mitchell, Hield, CJ, Dinwiddie, CP3 is probably my order. I didn’t include Beal and Booker since they would probably require trading Ben.

[youngcrev]

How would you rank LaVine, Hield, Dinwiddie, CP3, Mitchell, and McCollum as trade targets for this team?

I think they'd all be great. If pressed into rankings I'd have a tough time and would probably change them daily, but for now...

I'd probably have LaVine #1 at this stage if the Bulls decided to move on. I'm still not a huge fan in general (the bad shots and poor defense might not go over well), but he's young enough to grow with Joel and Ben, and has an optimal skill set to put between them. I also don't think the cost to acquire him would be that high.

I'd take Mitchell over him, but I don't think he'll be available, isn't an optimal fit, and the price tag would likely be overwhelming.

I'd have CP3 next. I think he'd have the greatest immediate impact in terms of running the offense and providing leadership. I think he gets you closest to a championship and costs the least to acquire. He's also not a long-term answer, is a major injury risk, and has a debilitating contract that makes things tough to maneuver.

Give me CJ next. Great combination of being able to play both on and off ball. Contract is bad, but that likely drives the cost to acquire him down.

Give me Dinwiddie next. Price could be reasonable, and he might be the most realistic with his affordable (for the time being) contract. Not much of a defender or a knock down shooter, but he can create offense and get tough buckets.

Hield brings up the rear. His game could fit in great in a JJ role, but with greater volume, but you'd still have the playmaking hole.

I'd be very happy with any of them.

[Kobblehead]

I think Donovan Mitchell is the ultimate homerun play for us.

But a stand up triple might be De'Aaron Fox.

Both his fit and value are stigmatized due to shooting woes. Which could ultimately influence his availability, as well.

Great head on his shoulders. Good passer, good defense. Ability to run isolations sets and pick and roll sets. Upside as a closer (albeit a multi-level scorer and not an all-level scorer, though).

Fit is a dealbreaker for some, but Fox literally brings everything else that we'd want to the table. Including a better head on his shoulders than a lot of the guys who are better shooters and better fits. I feel like that matters more than we typically acknowledge. Especially when it comes to winning in the playoffs.

[youngcrev]

I'd probably take Fox over those guys, but I don't imagine the Kings have any interest in trading him.

[Kobblehead]

True, but the Kings are a bad franchise prone to making bad decisions.

And I feel like De'Aaron Fox is a deep cut that requires a nuanced organization to gain proper appreciation in this "shooting is everything" climate. I could easily see a franchise like the Kings not valuing him properly and being open to trading him.

[Phillyboy]

Do Beal or Booker ask out after another season spent losing?

Things might fall into place for us in terms of available 3rd bananas this summer. Would be nice if we still had some of that war chest of assets in place.

Neither Beal or Booker would be third bananas here. I just don't see either being available to us unless we offered one of our 2 star players in return. From their point of view those two guys are their franchise players and I think they would only trade them either for multiple FRPs to rebuild or for a big name player to put their team on the map. If you were Washington or Phoenix would you trade for a package where the best player in the return package is Harris, Horford and/or Richardson? (Especially with Harris and Horford's contracts) They can surely get better offers elsewhere. With all due respect if we want one of those two guys we'll have to go big. (And I prefer Beal over Booker)

The second sentence is out of context considering I brought up a bunch of other options that could be gettable with what they have, and not having enough for those 2 is hinted at in the third sentence. You'd probably have to put Ben on the table, which would ultimately be a lateral move. No way in hell would I give up Embiid for either of those guys. He's a vastly superior player, even if he is injury prone.

That said, I do think they'd be able to put a competitive offer on the table if either demanded out. The returns received Anthony Davis and Paul George were outliers, not to mention, neither of those guys is on that level. Some combination of Harris, Richardson, Thybulle, and multiple 1st round picks would certainly have them in the conversation.

I certainly didn't mean to take you out of context, just making the point that it'll take a king's ransom to pry either of those guys away. Your counter offer might have some value unopposed but I have to believe that if either team let it be known that their stars could be available for the right price that our offer would pale in comparison. I believe we do agree that we need to target a strong SG but if you feel so strongly about not trading Embiid then some of the other names (CJ, Lavine, Mitchell, Dinwiddie, etc.) could be more realistic but still we'd be in a bidding war we might have trouble winning.

I don't see Embiid or Simmons as untouchable. Team success comes first to me. I would consider moving either of them for the right deal that would take this uncomplimentary team and turn it into a high octane complimentary skilled team that can actually contend. As currently configured, this team is a 6 seed and we're only fooling ourselves if we believe that this group can rise to the elite level necessary to contend given more time together. I respectfully disagree with one of your earlier contentions. Fit is absolutely essential. Essential. Yes Embiid is a top 10 player as you've mentioned earlier but for how much longer? Injuries and conditioning have always been issues and they will only continue to increase in negative impact. Does anyone here believe that the season Embiid had this year was as good or better than the season before? His downward trajectory is slight but noticeable. And Simmons, an elite defender and playmaker, still refuses to add even a mid range shot to his repertoire. This is a poorly fitted team. While their value is still high enough to bring back players that can move the needle we should at least consider trading one or the other this off season. Peace to you youngcrev.

[Phillyboy]

True, but the Kings are a bad franchise prone to making bad decisions.

And I feel like De'Aaron Fox is a deep cut that requires a nuanced organization to gain proper appreciation in this "shooting is everything" climate. I could easily see a franchise like the Kings not valuing him properly and being open to trading him.

I'd love to see Fox in a Sixer uniform. Solid young PG with plenty of upside and star potential in the right system. What would be your offer to the Kings?

[Kobblehead]

I'd love to see Fox in a Sixer uniform. Solid young PG with plenty of upside and star potential in the right system. What would be your offer to the Kings?

I'd do whatever young players combination to get to $8m that they want plus up to two first round picks.

And I know I'm in the minority and this will be very controversial, but I'd even take on Harrison Barnes and give them Simmons in a heartbeat. Especially if they sent us a 1st round pick.

Ben Simmons ($29m)

for

De'Aaron Fox ($8m)
Harrison Barnes ($22m)
future 1st round pick

[Kobblehead]

All the guys we're talking about right now are established guys that are safe bets.

If we want to talk rolling the dice on un-established guys, Nickeil Alexander-Walker seems like the best guy to target.

Only getting 12 minutes a game as a rookie in New Orleans with a crowded G rotation ahead of him. Picked middle of the first round so no heavy investment in him from the franchise.

All the ball handling skills and shooting ability to be a star scorer in this league. All the defensive ability to compound onto his offensive game to make him a true two-way superstar in this league.

[Phillyboy]

I'd love to see Fox in a Sixer uniform. Solid young PG with plenty of upside and star potential in the right system. What would be your offer to the Kings?

I'd do whatever young players combination to get to $8m that they want plus up to two first round picks.

And I know I'm in the minority and this will be very controversial, but I'd even take on Harrison Barnes and give them Simmons in a heartbeat. Especially if they sent us a 1st round pick.

Ben Simmons ($29m)

for

De'Aaron Fox ($8m)
Harrison Barnes ($22m)
future 1st round pick

I'll join you in the minority here. I think this deal could cure a lot that ails us. Even taking on Barnes though I'd rather see if we could pry Bogdanovic instead in a sign and trade in this deal. Move Horford to the bench where he belongs, move harris to the 4 where he belongs and JRich to the 3. Since we're talking about Sac town, these guys might bite at the chance to add a name star like Simmons. The average Joe Sixer's fan might not think we got the kind of value back for Simmons they'd expect but I would disagree with them.

[youngcrev]

Our cap is already out of control. Adding Barnes deal and having Fox in need of a new deal you'd need to figure out how to dump salary in a hurry.

[Kobblehead]

Our cap is already out of control. Adding Barnes deal and having Fox in need of a new deal you'd need to figure out how to dump salary in a hurry.

Getting that escalating $169.65M owed to Simmons off the books will help ease some of that.

You can cut Horford after the 2022 season.

Barnes might be movabale at $20m in 2022. Definitely as a $18m expiring the next year after that.

[youngcrev]

Our cap is already out of control. Adding Barnes deal and having Fox in need of a new deal you'd need to figure out how to dump salary in a hurry.

Getting that escalating $169.65M owed to Simmons off the books will help ease some of that.

You can cut Horford after the 2022 season.

Barnes might be movabale at $20m in 2022. Definitely as a $18m expiring the next year after that.

Just shifts back Ben's money by a year (while still paying the same amount for that year since you'd have Barnes). Not like Fox won't get a Max. And if he doesn't, thats means you've probably made a bad trade.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, I mean, the money will be crazy for a year or two, but things should settle down when the only big deals on the books are Embiid/Fox/Harris.

[Jkam31]

There’s no way Vlade is trading Fox I don’t even think we’d trade Fox for Ben, he could’ve traded him for Porzingis and drafted Luka but didn’t. This was after a disappointing rookie year for Fox too now he’s blossomed so it’s not happening.


Is there a chance Thybull can be had? Something like Hield/Holmes/1st (should be 10-13 pick)

For

Horford/Thybull