The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[mjkvol]

I think we can close the thread at this point. How on earth do you fire one of the 15 greatest coaches who ever lived?

[ankle420breaker]

Doc has lost more games where his team had a 25+ point lead than any other coach in history.

Last night, we effortlessly gave up a 14 point lead and relinquished control on our home court to a team playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. After Phoenix seized control and cut into our lead Doc decided to run with a Niang/Green/Korkmaz/Drummond lineup and the Suns ended up cruise controlling their way to a fairly easy road win.

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[sixers4real]

Doc has lost more games where his team had a 25+ point lead than any other coach in history.

Last night, we effortlessly gave up a 14 point lead and relinquished control on our home court to a team playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. After Phoenix seized control and cut into our lead Doc decided to run with a Niang/Green/Korkmaz/Drummond lineup and the Suns ended up cruise controlling their way to a fairly easy road win.

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Doc isn’t ideal, that’s true. I hate him at times.

But we are just 2.5 games behind that #1 seed now without Ben Simmons. And with all that drama.

And we were #1 seed last year for the first time in 20 years.

It’s not like Pop or Spo are on market.

[Wilfried]

Doc has lost more games where his team had a 25+ point lead than any other coach in history.

Last night, we effortlessly gave up a 14 point lead and relinquished control on our home court to a team playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. After Phoenix seized control and cut into our lead Doc decided to run with a Niang/Green/Korkmaz/Drummond lineup and the Suns ended up cruise controlling their way to a fairly easy road win.

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Doc isn’t ideal, that’s true. I hate him at times.

But we are just 2.5 games behind that #1 seed now without Ben Simmons. And with all that drama.

And we were #1 seed last year for the first time in 20 years.

It’s not like Pop or Spo are on market.

Tbh, we have a rough last part of the season remaining. Without help, I can see us falling in the standings.

[Tomjas]

I think we can close the thread at this point. How on earth do you fire one of the 15 greatest coaches who ever lived?

[Bum Adebayo]

Imagine how bad Rivers is, and then imagine Brett Brown was even worse than him. At least Rivers is an upgrade, as sad as it is.

[sixers4real]

Okay, guys, tell me who’s an upgrade over Rivers 200%, and available right now.

[zaz102]

IMO, coaches don't matter much. If you get a much better coach, it won't translate to many more wins. If we were to get Harden, I guarantee we would be a much better team but it wouldn't be because of Doc.

[Zumramania]

Doc had a really good team in Clippers, yet he managed to mess it up. That loss against the Nuggets was one of the biggest flops in recent NBA history IMO. And yet without that fail he wouldn't have become available to us. I think there could be better options, but we wouldn't be sure before we try them out.

[Murray_17]

IMO, coaches don't matter much. If you get a much better coach, it won't translate to many more wins. If we were to get Harden, I guarantee we would be a much better team but it wouldn't be because of Doc.

I don't understand takes like this.

Warriors, for example, are wining this season because their defense is awesome, that's entirely on Kerr. His system has been good to the point we say today Wiggins is a good defender.

Kerr also created a line up where Draymond played as undersized center and that was what unlocked all the Warriors dinsaty stuff.

Is the NBA a player oriented league? sure, you still need to create schemes around those players, ask Giannis for the differences between Bud and Kidd if you don't believe me

[stormi]

Personally I think he's a god awful coach that has no brain for tactics. He's like an oaf that only knows how to run his starters, switch to his bench, and then back to his starters to close a game. It works in the regular season where game to game variance is more reliant on which team has more talent. It starts to fall apart in playoff series' where the micro-adjustments are what decide the outcomes.

I much prefer my HC to be a tactician: Spo, Lue, Kerr, Nurse, Williams as opposed to a pashun merchant: Doc, Thibs, Vogel

Doc has been putting on coaching disaster classes over the better part of the 2010's. He milked one ring from a team with 4 potential HOF'ers and then went on to go and blow multiple 3-1 leads, be apart of some of the most dramatic in game collapses (including the embarrassing 26 point lead against Atlanta), and have the worst game 7 record of all time.

In situations where the talent level is debatable, it's the coaching that make the differences. Nick Nurse outcoached Brett Brown in 2019. He started Ibaka in game 7 who killed us on the glass and made a tonne of timely shots which ended up being the difference in an otherwise pretty evenly matched series. A coach like Doc doens't have that sort of ambition, he'll ride his 10 man rotation and whatever happens, happens.

[zaz102]

IMO, coaches don't matter much. If you get a much better coach, it won't translate to many more wins. If we were to get Harden, I guarantee we would be a much better team but it wouldn't be because of Doc.

I don't understand takes like this.

Warriors, for example, are wining this season because their defense is awesome, that's entirely on Kerr. His system has been good to the point we say today Wiggins is a good defender.

Kerr also created a line up where Draymond played as undersized center and that was what unlocked all the Warriors dinsaty stuff.

Is the NBA a player oriented league? sure, you still need to create schemes around those players, ask Giannis for the differences between Bud and Kidd if you don't believe me

Well, at the same time Doc won a championship. When he left the Clippers, Lue (championship coach) didn't magically turn them winners. People thought a replacement or Brett Brown would make a huge difference and didnt. Etc.

They can definitely make a difference like Kerr vs Jackson, but I really think that if a different coach took this team as is over and that they would be a true contender, I disagree with that. and for the record, I couldn't care less if Doc got fired.

[Murray_17]

Well, at the same time Doc won a championship. When he left the Clippers, Lue (championship coach) didn't magically turn them winners. People thought a replacement or Brett Brown would make a huge difference and didnt. Etc.

They can definitely make a difference like Kerr vs Jackson, but I really think that if a different coach took this team as is over and that they would be a true contender, I disagree with that. and for the record, I couldn't care less if Doc got fired.

Lue could not forsee Kawhi getting injured and they still beat the Jazz as heavily underdogs and took the Suns to six games.

In fact i would told you Lou won them that series, yes Jackson played amazing but Lou saw the Jazz defense and designed an offense around the Jazz issues to defend the wings.

He also won the game against the Sixers by trying in the middle of the game with Batum on Embiid.

You'll NEVER see that level of creativity on Doc. Morey was lobbying publicly last year to try Ben at the 5 more often and Doc decided no, after like 20 minutes.

Our roster is limited, yes, but there is stuff we could try you never see because of Doc rigid schemes. Doc tried playing small with Niang at 5 in preaseason and then never went back to it, we would never play with a line up of Danny/Mattise for defensive and stretch purposes. Etc.

The most risky stuff Doc has done is playing Embiid and Drummond together in games where we're loosing by 20.

[PhillyNj]

Sign me up, Doc Sucks. He has no idea, when to call a time out!

[zaz102]

There's countless examples of when teams become contenders when they have the same coach or when after stars leave, the team stops contending even with the same coach. But I don't care, I'm totally fine with firing Doc.

I just know that I'm not the only one who thinks the difference between most coaches are insignificant. There are dozens of us.

[mjkvol]

Personally I think he's a god awful coach that has no brain for tactics. He's like an oaf that only knows how to run his starters, switch to his bench, and then back to his starters to close a game. It works in the regular season where game to game variance is more reliant on which team has more talent. It starts to fall apart in playoff series' where the micro-adjustments are what decide the outcomes.

I much prefer my HC to be a tactician: Spo, Lue, Kerr, Nurse, Williams as opposed to a pashun merchant: Doc, Thibs, Vogel

Doc has been putting on coaching disaster classes over the better part of the 2010's. He milked one ring from a team with 4 potential HOF'ers and then went on to go and blow multiple 3-1 leads, be apart of some of the most dramatic in game collapses (including the embarrassing 26 point lead against Atlanta), and have the worst game 7 record of all time.

In situations where the talent level is debatable, it's the coaching that make the differences. Nick Nurse outcoached Brett Brown in 2019. He started Ibaka in game 7 who killed us on the glass and made a tonne of timely shots which ended up being the difference in an otherwise pretty evenly matched series. A coach like Doc doens't have that sort of ambition, he'll ride his 10 man rotation and whatever happens, happens.

All true, and it all adds up to a top 15 all time coach.

[mjkvol]

Doc has lost more games where his team had a 25+ point lead than any other coach in history.

Last night, we effortlessly gave up a 14 point lead and relinquished control on our home court to a team playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. After Phoenix seized control and cut into our lead Doc decided to run with a Niang/Green/Korkmaz/Drummond lineup and the Suns ended up cruise controlling their way to a fairly easy road win.

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He ran with the bench there because it was time to run with the bench. Game situations are irrelevant to Doc, the system is king.

[Skates]

Hidden value of obtaining Harden now is the possibility of blowing a playoff series this year giving legit reason to move on from Doc.

[rocketsfan100]

Bring in mike Dantoni

[sixers4real]

I really believe that all our main pieces love Doc: Morey, Embiid and Harden.