Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[76ciology]

Steph Curry plays as bad as it gets and the Warriors still are able to win it.

Celts needs a playmaker, someone who can create open looks when shooting gets sour.

[stormi]

Maybe Josh Jackson can be our Wiggins

[Sixteen]

Maybe Wiggins was the right pick lol

[Mik317]

should have traded for Wiggins when we had a chance brehs

[76ciology]

What makes warriors good is having Steph, Klay and Poole allows them to have two non shooters who can play impact defense.

All they need is a screen then its an open shot. The offense is too concentrated outside that the guy you will opting to help will just get a free basket in the paint (wiggins, looney, payton and green)

[76ciology]

Warriors have the best FO.

Combination of owners who are willing to sacrifice, GM who has combination of knowledge of the game and analytics and a coach who has a system to make all the talent work.

[Mik317]

thats pretty much it.'

our FO has been ass or in constant flux...or both.

I think that offseason w/ Brett and the pile of coats at the helm was the potential death nail. They waited too long to fire BC and paid dearly for it.

[76ciology]

thats pretty much it.'

our FO has been ass or in constant flux...or both.

I think that offseason w/ Brett and the pile of coats at the helm was the potential death nail. They waited too long to fire BC and paid dearly for it.

BC and EB waited too long to trade Ben.

The process was not the ponzi scheme.
The ponzi scheme was Ben.

Where were the jumpers we saw in the offseason that made us hold unto him?

[mjkvol]

Wiggins would be perfect for us. Dog by day. Tobias Harris by night.

It’s almost like any player with talent can become a dog if they are surrounded by ultra talented offensive players. Wiggins is being asked to make hustle plays and exploit mismatches. I think Tobi is capable of doing the same thing. We just needed Embiid and Harden to not have lingering issues which caused them to **** down their legs.

Can't agree at all with this. Tobias can only dream of having Wiggins' athleticism and lateral movement, which alone gives him the ability to be a great defensive player and rebounder if he's willing to work, which he clearly is right now. Tobias is just okay at best, which seems to be the ceiling of every aspect of his game

[mjkvol]

thats pretty much it.'

our FO has been ass or in constant flux...or both.

I think that offseason w/ Brett and the pile of coats at the helm was the potential death nail. They waited too long to fire BC and paid dearly for it.

Truth. Great organizations make bold moves before failure happens, while this organization consistently holds on to mediocrity both on and off the court until they fail before cutting bait - did it with Brown and the FO clown show, did it with Simmons, and doing it now with Glenn, Tobias, and Thybulle - unless Morey goes against the grain and eliminates the dreck here and now before this whole thing implodes.

[Negrodamus]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

[phillynative]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

Maybe, maybe not. Tobias had a solid playoff run and even shot the ball better from 3 than Wiggins .Wiggins athleticism gives him a boost or edge on defense and offense. Hes not being asked to create but being asked to take what the defense gives him. Because hes quick , long and can jump out the gym he is able to stay in front of both Tatum and Brown on defense and springy enough to contest most of their shots. On offense he also can slash to the rim when ever he wants and rise up and finish amongst the best something Tobias cannot do due to lack of burst and athleticism. Not saying wiggins is better than Tobi just two different skill sets.

I cant see tobias having that same impact against the celtics even if he was on the warriors. Sure he will score and knock down some open shots but their wing duo would negate Tobias impact on defense and offense like they did when they swept the sixers in 2020. Tobi is a tweener that gets by on scoring on smaller players or getting by slower bigs. He can defend slow , small PFs like him like Randle but big athletic wings will always give him trouble.

Reason its imperative the sixers fill in that wing spot. Every contender has a star 2way wing or multiple two way wings or both. The matisse, green, furkan ,shake commitee just wasnt going to get it done.lol

[mjkvol]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

I'm not sure it's revisionist history, it's an acknowledgment that Wiggins, a #1 overall pick once upon a time, has shown the willingness to subjugate his own game and do the dirty work that team needs to have done.

Tobias has done the same, but will never be the explosive scorer Wiggins can be in spots or the defensive player against elite wings. The fact that he was willing to accept and excel in a role given what he was expected to be when drafted is pretty impressive.

[Mik317]

I have always been a Wiggins guy even if just as a preempted plea cop as we were always rumored to be trading for him lol

but yeah Negrodamus is right. He is living off of not having to be even apart of the offense..whereas here he'd still need to be a creator and sharp shooter. The Warriors just needs him to be a Harrison Barnes expo really.

His best attribute has been his rebounding IMO. Has been grabbing some tough boards for them this finals.

but yeah here he'd be in the same spot as Tobias. Useful. Good. But Overpaid and we would need him to do more. The Warriors are a perfect spot for him and sometimes thats all it is.

[Mik317]

Chicago is shopping 18 and Kobble's boy Coby White.

Trade Thybulle for that and potentially either take guys at 18 and 23 to fill out the bench or trade them for a better player than 23 alone could fetch? White would be a perfect 6th man type IMO as well.

[stormi]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

It seems more like stockholm revision to convince ourselves that Harris could step into Wiggins role right now and do any of the things that he's doing just because reasons.

Wiggins being an elite athlete fundamentally categorizes himself separately from Tobias Harris, who has gotten emasculated by a wing in every series we've ever lost (Siakam/Tatum/Collins/Siakam). Wiggins has elite tools at his disposal that he's finally putting together to activate the two way potential some always believed he had.

Wiggins right now is about the age Harris was when we acquired him in 2019 actually as 4th option on a team with championship aspirations. I remember that Raptors series, he did nothing but brick 3's and was relegated to guarding Marc Gasol because Siakam hung 30 on his head.

Let's just be realistic please.

[Negrodamus]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

It seems more like revision to convince ourselves that Harris' soft ass could grab 16 rebounds in an NBA finals against the Boston Celtics, or be the primary defender marking Jayson Tatum for 48 minutes.

The world will undermine what Wiggins is doing because of the team that he's on, but if you swapped him for another generic wing like Tobias Harris, they're down in this series.

I think the opposite. The world has been hyping Wiggins up all year, including making him an All Star starter, as he has a vice grip on Klay, Steph, and Draymond's coattails. I don't blame the guy; he's making the most of his opportunity on a championship core. He is athletic and long. Plays with great effort. I don't think Tobias would be much different, tbh. Might be utilized a little differently, but the effect on the game would probably be similar as the dynamic would be 1000% different. Curry and Dray are the guys who have ran the offense since 2015. While over in Philly, the offense has been run by _______ since 2015 (MCW baby!). Harden is the first time we've had a creator on this team in some time. In lieu of creator, Tobias has done it (poorly might I add) and now everyone's idea of him is skewed because of the trash position the FO put this team in.

He could definitely join the Warriors and be asked to exploit the mismatch and thrive. I wouldn't let his bloated contract and time in Philly affect your judgment of him in that scenario.

[Negrodamus]

This conversation is funny because there's a Harrison Barnes sized sample of how Tobias could work in GSW.

[stormi]

Wow, a lot of revisionist history about Andrew Wiggins now that he's possibly the fifth option on the Warriors with the greatest shooter of all time being doubled constantly and probably a top 5 greatest shooter drawing the rest of the attention. I think Tobias would be able to figure out how to make himself useful in that situation.

It seems more like revision to convince ourselves that Harris' soft ass could grab 16 rebounds in an NBA finals against the Boston Celtics, or be the primary defender marking Jayson Tatum for 48 minutes.

The world will undermine what Wiggins is doing because of the team that he's on, but if you swapped him for another generic wing like Tobias Harris, they're down in this series.

I think the opposite. The world has been hyping Wiggins up all year, including making him an All Star starter, as he has a vice grip on Klay, Steph, and Draymond's coattails. I don't blame the guy; he's making the most of his opportunity on a championship core. He is athletic and long. Plays with great effort. I don't think Tobias would be much different, tbh. Might be utilized a little differently, but the effect on the game would probably be similar as the dynamic would be 1000% different. Curry and Dray are the guys who have ran the offense since 2015. While over in Philly, the offense has been run by _______ since 2015 (MCW baby!). Harden is the first time we've had a creator on this team in some time. In lieu of creator, Tobias has done it (poorly might I add) and now everyone's idea of him is skewed because of the trash position the FO put this team in.

He could definitely join the Warriors and be asked to exploit the mismatch and thrive. I wouldn't let his bloated contract and time in Philly affect your judgment of him in that scenario.

I think right now Wiggins is capitalizing off of his elite traits. I was never pro-Wiggins when it came to 76ers trades, and his name came up a lot. I just thought his playstyle didn't contribute much to winning games and that if he had to sacrifice shots to make it work around better players, that'd you be heavily negating the few inefficient scoring positives he does bring.

But then he came to Golden State and reinvented himself through role reduction. Wiggins has always been an elite athlete that had never really put the pieces together, and he was probably never held to the standards and levels of accountability that Kerr and the Warriors demand of him either.

I just don't think it's fair to watch the blossoming of a young pampered (soft) elite athlete like Wiggins going into a system that allows him to maximize the traits that he's always had suppressed and then to compare it to a mediocre 30 year old wing that checks no athletic positive boxes across the board. Wiggins had boatloads untapped potential. Harris does not.

This is also why someone like Ben Simmons holds massive value on the open market. He just has tools and gifts and tantalizing skillsets that a Tobias Harris cannot be taught.

Harris is an Otto Porter variant.

[stormi]

This conversation is funny because there's a Harrison Barnes sized sample of how Tobias could work in GSW.

There's just no way you're comparing 10 ppg 22 year old Harrison Barnes who was a backpacker on a generational Warriors team, to Andrew Wiggins being the clearcut second best player in the finals and uplifting his team with multiple FMVP type performances.