Markelle Fultz Discussion

[LloydFree]

I think the Fultz criticism will settle down as the season progresses. A lot of people just wanted other players from this draft.

I expect him to play well and show tremendous potential this year, and we will eventually start focusing on what he CAN do instead of what he CAN’T do .

Fultz won't get criticized by the 76ers fanbase in his 1st year. The majority of the fanbase wanted him. That criticism will come from other fanbases if he isn't as good as expected. If Fultz struggles, I expect Brett Brown to get criticism from the fanbase for not using him correctly or giving him enough minutes. Nearly every highly touted rookie in every town gets this treatment the Rookie year. If he's good, he's a future Hall of Famer. If he's trash, it's the Coaches or teammates' fault.

[BullyKing]

I think the Fultz criticism will settle down as the season progresses. A lot of people just wanted other players from this draft.

I expect him to play well and show tremendous potential this year, and we will eventually start focusing on what he CAN do instead of what he CAN’T do .


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This is false. It's 3-4 of the same people coming in here banging their head against the wall posting verbal diarrhea. A lot of these same people were trying to be contrarians throughout the whole college season and funnily enough those same people for some reason have 3 of the top 4 post in this thread. Some people would call it trolling/baiting but hey I don't mod here.

There is nothing wrong with someone having a negative opinion of a player. What is grating is repetitive opinions - whether reacting negatively to a move or, I don't know just off the top of my head, writing 1,000 times about how Okafor could improve, is a beast that even Draymond cannot contain and will average 25 and 10 no problem. I'm hopeful that when the season actually starts, the conversation will progress. But when nothing is happening, it's not that unexpected for the conversation to become somewhat circular and redundant.

[HotelVitale]

I think the Fultz criticism will settle down as the season progresses. A lot of people just wanted other players from this draft. I expect him to play well and show tremendous potential this year, and we will eventually start focusing on what he CAN do instead of what he CAN’T do .

This is false. It's 3-4 of the same people coming in here banging their head against the wall posting verbal diarrhea. A lot of these same people were trying to be contrarians throughout the whole college season and funnily enough those same people for some reason have 3 of the top 4 post in this thread. Some people would call it trolling/baiting but hey I don't mod here.

These conversations predate the Sixers' and your interest in Fultz by a long time. Many of us had been talking about prospects for a year plus by the time of the trade, and remember the last month of that conversation was about the #3 pick. The folks who have been vocal about Fultz's flaws--at least the handful that are worth paying attention to--were saying the same thing before the trade, it's not like there was some huge anti-social/masochist backlash to Fultz when our team happened to get him.

Personally, I'm a little higher on Fultz than some of the people you're referring to but, having watched the same tape and compared him to the same prospects, I know their points are reasonable. I come on here to get a better take and better perspective on various bball things and you're not going to get that without hearing from some challenging POVs. Sure some posters aren't being critical/analytical but it shouldn't take you more than few seconds to figure out who's doing that and who's actually articulating or defending a real position, and there's no reason to feel defensive if you're confident about your own take.

[kriss73]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Maybe he just forgot? Who gives a ****?

[Negrodamus]

If we were winning a lot more, it would have changed the outcome of the lottery. Kings might not have jumped everyone.

[eagereyez]

I think the Fultz criticism will settle down as the season progresses. A lot of people just wanted other players from this draft. I expect him to play well and show tremendous potential this year, and we will eventually start focusing on what he CAN do instead of what he CAN’T do .

This is false. It's 3-4 of the same people coming in here banging their head against the wall posting verbal diarrhea. A lot of these same people were trying to be contrarians throughout the whole college season and funnily enough those same people for some reason have 3 of the top 4 post in this thread. Some people would call it trolling/baiting but hey I don't mod here.

These conversations predate the Sixers' and your interest in Fultz by a long time. Many of us had been talking about prospects for a year plus by the time of the trade, and remember the last month of that conversation was about the #3 pick. The folks who have been vocal about Fultz's flaws--at least the handful that are worth paying attention to--were saying the same thing before the trade, it's not like there was some huge anti-social/masochist backlash to Fultz when our team happened to get him.

Personally, I'm a little higher on Fultz than some of the people you're referring to but, having watched the same tape and compared him to the same prospects, I know their points are reasonable. I come on here to get a better take and better perspective on various bball things and you're not going to get that without hearing from some challenging POVs. Sure some posters aren't being critical/analytical but it shouldn't take you more than few seconds to figure out who's doing that and who's actually articulating or defending a real position, and there's no reason to feel defensive if you're confident about your own take.

Yeah it seems like the newer posters are the ones having the most trouble handling the criticism. Last year was the most I've followed a college season, and I enjoyed reading the different POVs here. No one bashed on any particular player without reason. I can understand thinking that's the case if you just entered the discussion after the Fultz trade.

[LloydFree]

This is false. It's 3-4 of the same people coming in here banging their head against the wall posting verbal diarrhea. A lot of these same people were trying to be contrarians throughout the whole college season and funnily enough those same people for some reason have 3 of the top 4 post in this thread. Some people would call it trolling/baiting but hey I don't mod here.

These conversations predate the Sixers' and your interest in Fultz by a long time. Many of us had been talking about prospects for a year plus by the time of the trade, and remember the last month of that conversation was about the #3 pick. The folks who have been vocal about Fultz's flaws--at least the handful that are worth paying attention to--were saying the same thing before the trade, it's not like there was some huge anti-social/masochist backlash to Fultz when our team happened to get him.

Personally, I'm a little higher on Fultz than some of the people you're referring to but, having watched the same tape and compared him to the same prospects, I know their points are reasonable. I come on here to get a better take and better perspective on various bball things and you're not going to get that without hearing from some challenging POVs. Sure some posters aren't being critical/analytical but it shouldn't take you more than few seconds to figure out who's doing that and who's actually articulating or defending a real position, and there's no reason to feel defensive if you're confident about your own take.

Yeah it seems like the newer posters are the ones having the most trouble handling the criticism. Last year was the most I've followed a college season, and I enjoyed reading the different POVs here. No one bashed on any particular player without reason. I can understand thinking that's the case if you just entered the discussion after the Fultz trade.

What do you mean, "different point of views"? The only point of views that matter are the ones the good fans read on DraftExpress​ a year ago. Those bad guys that don't agree with some freelance writers on a draftsite are just being contrarian. They think they're better than us...

**The word for the day is contrarian**

[Ericb5]

I think that there are a lot of dead horses being beaten, but I believe that Fultz will perform well, and will fit even better, and that will calm the people who think we made a mistake over time.

I’m in the middle in the sense that I had Fultz ranked 3rd, but got on board with the trade to take him first based on fit, since I considered him to be in the same tier as Jackson and Ball.

I don’t have superstar expectations for him like I do with Simmons and Embiid though.

He is the third most important player in our franchise.


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[Mik317]

regardless of what happens with Fultz...more than likely goal posts will be moved or excuses will be made..which sucks since i am already tired of it from Jah. The constant negativity over every little thing a guy does or doesn't do gets old

[Unbreakable99]

regardless of what happens with Fultz...more than likely goal posts will be moved or excuses will be made..which sucks since i am already tired of it from Jah. The constant negativity over every little thing a guy does or doesn't do gets old

I'm all about the Sixers winning a title so if Fultz balls out and is the clear cut best player in the draft i'll be ecstatic. Why would I move the goal post? That would be foolish. If Fultz is an all star in and in 4 years is a top 25 player I will gladly say I was wrong.

[LongLiveHinkie]

regardless of what happens with Fultz...more than likely goal posts will be moved or excuses will be made..which sucks since i am already tired of it from Jah. The constant negativity over every little thing a guy does or doesn't do gets old

I've already decided that after every game, I'm going to compliment Fultz for playing great despite how he plays just to spite the haters.

Gonna be fun.

[LloydFree]

regardless of what happens with Fultz...more than likely goal posts will be moved or excuses will be made..which sucks since i am already tired of it from Jah. The constant negativity over every little thing a guy does or doesn't do gets old

I'm all about the Sixers winning a title so if Fultz balls out and is the clear cut best player in the draft i'll be ecstatic. Why would I move the goal post? That would be foolish. If Fultz is an all star in and in 4 years is a top 25 player I will gladly say I was wrong.

Exactly. If Fultz is great, why the heck would the goal posts have to be moved? I've watched prospects for 35 years. I've been wrong before. If Fultz is better than the other guys that I said were better, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.

The Embiid haters (I remember who most of them were) are seemingly now all on the bandwagon. I'm sure the Simmons haters will change their tune pretty soon. The Fultz "haters" could be in the same boat... and that would be a good thing.

[Simmons25]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

[Sixersftw]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

But we didn't do the trade with our natural pick. We used Sacs.

[Ericb5]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, but he only reason we got the 3rd pick was because of the Kings swap. We could have had he 14th pick before the lottery, and we still would have gotten the 3rd pick via the swap.


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[Simmons25]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, but he only reason we got the 3rd pick was because of the Kings swap. We could have had he 14th pick before the lottery, and we still would have gotten the 3rd pick via the swap.


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Ahh yes... that's true forgot about that.

[youngcrev]

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I'm scared: how could a GM say something so dumb?
Does he understand how swap picks work?

I'm stunned.

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, but he only reason we got the 3rd pick was because of the Kings swap. We could have had he 14th pick before the lottery, and we still would have gotten the 3rd pick via the swap.


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Yeah, but if we finished with a better record than them, their spot in the standings would of changed, so it would have been whichever team ended up in that spot jumping up to 3. Pretty convoluted, but technically, possibly correct.

[Att]

I read it as the fact we would have finished a lot higher in the standings (maybe even playoffs) and not had pick 3... so would not have been able to get a deal done to get Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, but he only reason we got the 3rd pick was because of the Kings swap. We could have had he 14th pick before the lottery, and we still would have gotten the 3rd pick via the swap.


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Ahh yes... that's true forgot about that.

Well, he's an idiot. That explains quite a lot

[76ciology]

Yeah, i think he means if BS and Bayless were healthy we wouldn't have the right assets TO GO WITH THE KINGS PICK to move up. Its just one of those media guys do to get attention by stating something out of context