The Ben Simmons Megathread

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Ben-JJ PnR like ive been saying. On paper, this would be more effective than Ben running PnR with forwards or centers

[Jams60]

I can sense the disappointment with the team.But most of us are have confirmation bias.

Its not Brett Brown or Bryan Colangelo. It’s your unrealistic expectation on Ben Simmons.

With all the exposure he gets, he doesn’t make the team that much better (relative to your expectations) and as a PG he doesnt make the offense a lot better (relative to most star guards).

I could be wrong. But if Ben Simmons is scoring 20-30 points like Donovan Mitchell or Kuzma, we’ll be a much winning team. Yeah, thats why most mention the need of a volume perimeter scorer or keep mentioning lou will.

Simmons is a rookie PG, and rookie PG's rarely make their teams better. On top of that, he is a very inexperienced PG on the scale of rookie PG's.

Here is the reality. He is a superstar in training, but he isn't a superstar on the court yet. Embiid is already a superstar. Simmons is just a can't miss superstar prospect.

We will be fine.

You make an excellent point regarding his experience as a point guard. It is something I have to keep reminding myself of. I know that in college he didn’t play that position. I would guess, given his size, that in high school he didn’t either, though others with more knowledge may want to correct me. Which means that has just over 30 games of high level experience as the primary ball handler. It shows at times. It believe that is has also impacted on his contribution and general confidence.
That said, you have to persist because as a point guard he can develop into one of a kind, but as a Sf not so different.

[crazy_me_87]

I can sense the disappointment with the team.But most of us are have confirmation bias.

Its not Brett Brown or Bryan Colangelo. It’s your unrealistic expectation on Ben Simmons.

With all the exposure he gets, he doesn’t make the team that much better (relative to your expectations) and as a PG he doesnt make the offense a lot better (relative to most star guards).

I could be wrong. But if Ben Simmons is scoring 20-30 points like Donovan Mitchell or Kuzma, we’ll be a much winning team. Yeah, thats why most mention the need of a volume perimeter scorer or keep mentioning lou will.

Simmons is a rookie PG, and rookie PG's rarely make their teams better. On top of that, he is a very inexperienced PG on the scale of rookie PG's.

Here is the reality. He is a superstar in training, but he isn't a superstar on the court yet. Embiid is already a superstar. Simmons is just a can't miss superstar prospect.

We will be fine.

You make an excellent point regarding his experience as a point guard. It is something I have to keep reminding myself of. I know that in college he didn’t play that position. I would guess, given his size, that in high school he didn’t either, though others with more knowledge may want to correct me. Which means that has just over 30 games of high level experience as the primary ball handler. It shows at times. It believe that is has also impacted on his contribution and general confidence.
That said, you have to persist because as a point guard he can develop into one of a kind, but as a Sf not so different.

He was listed as SF at Montverde if i recall correctly. He averaged 3.9 APG there. So in any way it is clearly his first full Season of Playing Point Guard. Its the hardest Position to learn and so far he has done a great Job.

[Eyeamok]

If the 76ers development staff got TJ to play at this level after struggling for so many years imagine what they could do with Ben. I have hope.

And I am not discounting the hard work that TJ put in himself. Ben should work just as hard if not harder.

Not winning the ROY would light a bigger fire under his behind as far as I am concerned.

[Kobblehead]

Ben Simmons has been a de facto PG his whole life. It's just never been a point of emphasis to label him one until this year.

Tim Quarterman was a secondary ball handler and perimeter release valve. Ben ran LSU's offense.

[PhilasFinest]

If the 76ers development staff got TJ to play at this level after struggling for so many years imagine what they could do with Ben. I have hope.

And I am not discounting the hard work that TJ put in himself. Ben should work just as hard if not harder.

Not winning the ROY would light a bigger fire under his behind as far as I am concerned.

Did TJ really “struggle for so many years?”

He came in as an Undrafted rookie, with 0 expectations and showed signs of being a capable reserve point guard who can set up teammates and run an offense. He improved his mid range shooting in year 2 and has expanded that to the 3 point line in year 3. Don’t think a ton has changed overall in Tj outside of that. He was a decent college player and has pretty much carried that play style over to the pros.

[Ericb5]

If the 76ers development staff got TJ to play at this level after struggling for so many years imagine what they could do with Ben. I have hope.

And I am not discounting the hard work that TJ put in himself. Ben should work just as hard if not harder.

Not winning the ROY would light a bigger fire under his behind as far as I am concerned.

Did TJ really “struggle for so many years?”

He came in as an Undrafted rookie, with 0 expectations and showed signs of being a capable reserve point guard who can set up teammates and run an offense. He improved his mid range shooting in year 2 and has expanded that to the 3 point line in year 3. Don’t think a ton has changed overall in Tj outside of that. He was a decent college player and has pretty much carried that play style over to the pros.

I think that he really only struggled his rookie year where he was a chicken with his head cut off a lot of the time. He has steadily improved since he came into the league, and he has reached the level of a credible back up pg that can have a long career.


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[76ciology]

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Ben-JJ PnR like ive been saying. On paper, this would be more effective than Ben running PnR with forwards or centers

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Frequency increasing. I'd still prefer JJ as ball handler and have Ben as roll man.

[Kolkmania]

Ben Simmons has been a de facto PG his whole life. It's just never been a point of emphasis to label him one until this year.

Tim Quarterman was a secondary ball handler and perimeter release valve. Ben ran LSU's offense.

He brought the ball up when he rebounded the ball, but other than that Quarterman was definitely the primary option in half court.

[crazy_me_87]

Ben Simmons has been a de facto PG his whole life. It's just never been a point of emphasis to label him one until this year.

Tim Quarterman was a secondary ball handler and perimeter release valve. Ben ran LSU's offense.

He brought the ball up when he rebounded the ball, but other than that Quarterman was definitely the primary option in half court.

Yep. When you watch the Games at Montverde and LSU he did not initiate the Offense basically every Possesion. As you said only when he rebounded the ball or like a Lebron on the wing.

[Kolkmania]

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Ben-JJ PnR like ive been saying. On paper, this would be more effective than Ben running PnR with forwards or centers

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Frequency increasing. I'd still prefer JJ as ball handler and have Ben as roll man.

I agree with you, Ben should me more frequently used as a roller. Before the season started I sincerely thought that Redick would help with introducing some actions from the Clippers. DeAndre Jordan and Ben Simmons both can't shoot and could therefore potentially be more effective as a screener because their defenders sag off of them. When you one of them is used as a screener for Redick then there is nobody to step up and contest his shot.

This is the so-called Veer action, which the Clippers used regularly for Redick.

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Ben-JJ PnR like ive been saying. On paper, this would be more effective than Ben running PnR with forwards or centers

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Frequency increasing. I'd still prefer JJ as ball handler and have Ben as roll man.

I agree with you, Ben should me more frequently used as a roller. Before the season started I sincerely thought that Redick would help with introducing some actions from the Clippers. DeAndre Jordan and Ben Simmons both can't shoot and could therefore potentially be more effective as a screener because their defenders sag off of them. When you one of them is used as a screener for Redick then there is nobody to step up and contest his shot.

This is the so-called Veer action, which the Clippers used regularly for Redick.

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Actually, I’ve always project Ben as secondary playmaker on halfcourt and a primary playmaker on transition. Nearly similar to what Blake Griffin was with Cp3. I just find that two guys of similar heights wont be effective on two man screen plays, because teams would just switch the screens thus limiting the effectivity to breakdown the D.

If Ben runs a two man screen play with a guard, I project Ben to have high points per possession against a 6’-6’6 guard, if defense switch. If defense opts not to switch, Ben is athletic, skilled and long enough to punish the D. As a roll man with a 4 vs 3 situation, he can easily kick it to open shooters or lob it to Biid.

Another guy that plays a similar role was the peak version of Diaw with the Spurs.

If you watch the Cavs-GSW play, the KD-Steph and LBj-Kyrie 2 man screen plays were their go to plays down the stretch. I think we can do that with JJ-Ben. And in the future, Fultz-Ben.

Biid doesnt seem interested to be a roll man anyway. Why not just play 2 man screen play with Jj-Ben. If denied, then give the ball to Biid for his iso.

This is much simpler than the very chaotic read and react plays we run, which we can replace with some JJ-Ben action.

[Eyeamok]

If the 76ers development staff got TJ to play at this level after struggling for so many years imagine what they could do with Ben. I have hope.

And I am not discounting the hard work that TJ put in himself. Ben should work just as hard if not harder.

Not winning the ROY would light a bigger fire under his behind as far as I am concerned.

Did TJ really “struggle for so many years?”

He came in as an Undrafted rookie, with 0 expectations and showed signs of being a capable reserve point guard who can set up teammates and run an offense. He improved his mid range shooting in year 2 and has expanded that to the 3 point line in year 3. Don’t think a ton has changed overall in Tj outside of that. He was a decent college player and has pretty much carried that play style over to the pros.

I must be looking at the old TJ totally different that you. And that is quite possible. I saw an energy guy. A guy that was afraid to shoot a guy that would dribble down the court then along the baseline, never taking it to the hoop and always kicking it out while he was under the basket, sometimes his pass would be good sometimes it would be bad, but that was his game in a nutshell. Last season he started his coming out party this year he has taken a big step from last year and is doing a lot more on offense and running the team.

All of this comes from what I believe is hard work and player development. If the 76ers staff can get these results from TJ and if Ben is willing to work, I don't know why Ben can't improve in leaps and bounds too.

[Simmons25]

Yeah TJ definitely was limited and not what he is now. He couldn't shoot a 3 to save his life and used to launch it from his chest like my 12 year old step daughter.

Have to give him his props... shoots the 3 very nicely now and is almost automatic with the short jumper. A massive improvement and what was needed to keep him in the league.

[cksdayoff]

i cant remember the last time the sixers developed a role player. testament to tj's work ethic also. raja bell looked pretty good and thought we had something, and he turned into a player AFTER he left the sixers. same with bruce bowen

[Eyeamok]

Yeah TJ definitely was limited and not what he is now. He couldn't shoot a 3 to save his life and used to launch it from his chest like my 12 year old step daughter.

Have to give him his props... shoots the 3 very nicely now and is almost automatic with the short jumper. A massive improvement and what was needed to keep him in the league.

Thank you I thought I had just imagined the TJ of old.

[76ciology]

Unpopular. But I'd rather have that 3-5 assists per game from Ben Simmons. That means he's more aggressive in trying to get baskets. When Biid's out, I just find Ben trying to be a scorer and Saric stepping up with his playmaking, makes us a better offensive team.

[SexDrugsPnR]

Unpopular. But I'd rather have that 3-5 assists per game from Ben Simmons. That means he's more aggressive in trying to get baskets. When Biid's out, I just find Ben trying to be a scorer and Saric stepping up with his playmaking, makes us a better offensive team.

regardless of ben's numbers, i feel like the team has been moving the ball incredibly well. we are 2nd in the league in ast% and 3rd in assists per game. i couldn't watch any games live recently, but looking at the recaps, there is some really beautiful passing going on. obviously you don't see much of the turnovers in these highlights, so the offense really looks like a well oiled machine.

[nurseryc]

All star in rookie season

[PhilasFinest]

Last night Simmons really got aggressive and attacked late in the 4th. Stepped up and made a few FT’s when we needed them and even hit 5 straight at 1 point in the game.

Was def nice to see....can’t wait to see what we look like when Fultz returns