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Re: Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason 

Post#1601 » by Arsenal » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:19 am

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Ferry Avenue wrote:No it's not a way of saying they haven't won a championship. Jimmy Butler hasn't won a championship either, but he displays maturity and leadership. Simmons and Embiid don't. There are plenty of players who haven't won championships who display maturity and leadership. Jayson Tatum is another.

And I didn't say anything about trading Simmons for Westbrook. The proposed lineup was only an example of one constructed around maturity and leadership. Westbrook is another who exudes those qualities. Redick is another.


Westbrook doesn't "exude leadership qualities". He exudes ball hogging and stat padding. He is known for his rebound stealing and shot spamming.

I'll take Westbrook with the clock running down in the fourth quarter anyday.


To do what? Brick a wide open shot?
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Post#1602 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:20 am

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Re: Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason 

Post#1603 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:20 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:If I had to predict our 9-man rotation today:


Simmons(20)/Milton(28)
Curry(28)/Korkmaz(20)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Harris(34)/Simmons(14)
Embiid(30)/Noel(18)


Simmons/Milton/Maxey
Curry/Korkmaz/Smith/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Scott
Embiid/Noel/Reed


I can see Scott getting dumped and replaced with a vet min guy (presumably a combo forward?) The fit is great, but the lack of shot-creation worries me. Assuming full health, I imagine we'll have a very good regular-season record.

That doesn't impress me at all.

The problem with this team is that they're continuing to build around two players who haven't, and perhaps can't, show the maturity and leadership necessary to be players a team builds around.

Simmons and Embiid. Yeah that sounds great in theory or on paper, but these guys haven't been players a team builds around if it hopes to win a championship. If you're putting accessory pieces like Green and Curry around a nucleus of star players, those star players better have what it takes, because the accessory pieces sure don't.

The team screwed up when it let Butler go. He was the piece to build around. Imagine a starting lineup of Embiid, Harris, Butler, Redick, and Westbrook. That's a championship lineup. Simmons should've been jettisoned that year in favor of Butler.


Yeah no ****. It's gonna take Morey time to turn things around, if you want to wait until he does feel free. If you want to trade Simmons you should be happy they're putting guys around him that maximize his effectiveness, if nothing else it's good for his trade value.

The only thing I'm against is the view that Embiid and Simmons are players to build around, as though they're established at the level of LeBron and Anthony Davis. They're nowhere near that caliber, yet the team is functioning personnel-wise as though they are.

"The process" failed when it resulted in nothing more than those guys.
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Post#1604 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:25 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:
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ProcessDoctor wrote:I wish there was an avenue to acquiring Beal without giving up Ben or Jo. It's going to be extremely difficult to acquire a 3rd star. Maybe if Tobias increases his value we can dangle him? Wishful thinking, I know.


Our best hope for a 3rd real star is to pump and dump on Tobias. That means spamming Tobi pick and rolls nonstop to inflate his numbers, something Doc knows exactly how to do.


We could try. Maybe at the deadline something like Harris/Curry/Smith/pick for LaVine/Porter?


I don't think that's the move. I think we've pretty much locked in on this team so expect another 2017/2018-ish year where we win a lot of regular season games and contend for HCA. Win a round, possibly two if stars align, but the lack of go-to definitive ballhandler is our ultimate downfall. I think our next big move should be the one to push us from good to great. I'm aiming higher than Lavine, whether it does end up being Harden. Or Dame or Leonard if Portland or the Clippers spiral. Morey's done an amazing job of building back up an asset base, creating cap flexibility while maintaining the complete pick party at his disposal (bar the 2025 1st to signal the beginning of the Process v2).
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Post#1605 » by Sixerscan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:41 am

Ferry Avenue wrote:
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Ferry Avenue wrote:That doesn't impress me at all.

The problem with this team is that they're continuing to build around two players who haven't, and perhaps can't, show the maturity and leadership necessary to be players a team builds around.

Simmons and Embiid. Yeah that sounds great in theory or on paper, but these guys haven't been players a team builds around if it hopes to win a championship. If you're putting accessory pieces like Green and Curry around a nucleus of star players, those star players better have what it takes, because the accessory pieces sure don't.

The team screwed up when it let Butler go. He was the piece to build around. Imagine a starting lineup of Embiid, Harris, Butler, Redick, and Westbrook. That's a championship lineup. Simmons should've been jettisoned that year in favor of Butler.


Yeah no ****. It's gonna take Morey time to turn things around, if you want to wait until he does feel free. If you want to trade Simmons you should be happy they're putting guys around him that maximize his effectiveness, if nothing else it's good for his trade value.

The only thing I'm against is the view that Embiid and Simmons are players to build around, as though they're established at the level of LeBron and Anthony Davis. They're nowhere near that caliber, yet the team is functioning personnel-wise as though they are.

"The process" failed when it resulted in nothing more than those guys.

Again, if your end game is trading Ben, putting a team around him that highlights his strengths is good for his trade value.

Morey has been able to make moves for literally less than 4 days it's not finished yet, it's realistically probably going to be a multiyear thing. Look at what this thread is called for crying out loud.
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Post#1606 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:46 am

I'm leaning towards keeping Simmons, at this point.
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Post#1607 » by BullyKing » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:48 am

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Post#1608 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:49 am

Lmao, Noel would be a nasty addition on the second unit.
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Post#1609 » by Negrodamus » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:50 am

BullyKing wrote:
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I need this. We need this.


I might buy a Noel jersey.
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Post#1610 » by eyeatoma » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:51 am

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Post#1611 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:53 am

Embiid
Noel
Simmons
Reed
Thybulle
Green

That's a lot of excellent defensive players across multiple size ranges.
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Post#1612 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:54 am

stormi wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Our best hope for a 3rd real star is to pump and dump on Tobias. That means spamming Tobi pick and rolls nonstop to inflate his numbers, something Doc knows exactly how to do.


We could try. Maybe at the deadline something like Harris/Curry/Smith/pick for LaVine/Porter?


I don't think that's the move. I think we've pretty much locked in on this team so expect another 2017/2018-ish year where we win a lot of regular season games and contend for HCA. Win a round, possibly two if stars align, but the lack of go-to definitive ballhandler is our ultimate downfall. I think our next big move should be the one to push us from good to great. I'm aiming higher than Lavine, whether it does end up being Harden. Or Dame or Leonard if Portland or the Clippers spiral. Morey's done an amazing job of building back up an asset base, creating cap flexibility while maintaining the complete pick party at his disposal (bar the 2025 1st to signal the beginning of the Process v2).


I’m all for aiming higher, but the scenarios you’re describing involve trading Ben. Unless this is all a ploy, I don’t see them trading him.
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Post#1613 » by fl311 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:00 am

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I need this. We need this.

Barring something unforeseen, this should be announced tomorrow or Saturday
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Post#1614 » by Arsenal » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:03 am

Love it. Time for more violence at the rim!!!
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Post#1615 » by BullyKing » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:03 am

fl311 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Read on Twitter


I need this. We need this.

Barring something unforeseen, this should be announced tomorrow or Saturday


T-MLE or Minimum? Multiple years (I hope).
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Post#1616 » by Sixerscan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:06 am

BullyKing wrote:
fl311 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Read on Twitter


I need this. We need this.

Barring something unforeseen, this should be announced tomorrow or Saturday


T-MLE or Minimum? Multiple years (I hope).

Would tend to think that he wouldn't be locked up already for the minimum.

Guessing they use most of the MLE than use the rest to give Joe a Hinkie Special. 3/15 is my guess.
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Post#1617 » by BullyKing » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:07 am

Sixerscan wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
fl311 wrote:Barring something unforeseen, this should be announced tomorrow or Saturday


T-MLE or Minimum? Multiple years (I hope).

Would tend to think that he wouldn't be locked up already for the minimum.

Guessing they use most of the MLE than use the rest to give Joe a Hinkie Special. 3/15 is my guess.


I'd be fine with that. Ideally shave a little more off and lock up Reed on the same since he's going to need some time.
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Post#1618 » by fl311 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:09 am

BullyKing wrote:
fl311 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Read on Twitter


I need this. We need this.

Barring something unforeseen, this should be announced tomorrow or Saturday


T-MLE or Minimum? Multiple years (I hope).


Don’t think it’s full MLE. Haven’t heard numbers
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Post#1619 » by FireMorey » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:28 am

Noel made peanuts lately. Don't think he's done anything since to warrant much more than that.
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Post#1620 » by Stanford » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:30 am

Nerlens is so good. I can't wait to have him back

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