Fantasy Trade Thread

[the_process]

I don't really think there's a "picks for veterans" deal that is going to maximize our ability to win a championship. Either Embiid/Harden are capable of delivering it to us or they're not. Which makes it even more important to keep picks to line up the next generation of headliners to go along with Maxey to help carry post-prime Embiid.

The only thing going all in does is ensure that you eventually bottom out and wind up trading Embiid. I don't want to do that. I'd rather Embiid be here for his entire career and our picks help him win an eventual championship in the event that he's unable to be the driving force to a ring in his prime.

Sure, we'd all like that. But the San Antonio model requires a world class coach, a great FO, and a lot of luck.

The Sixers are 0 for 3 on those.

So the idea they are going to phase nicely into life after Embiid is pure fantasy IMO. They are going to run this ship into the ground trying to win in the next three years. After that, expect Morey and Glenn to set sail and the Sixers to process again.

Agree with both of you a little bit. To me, Donovan Mitchell is the happy medium between the two and seems like the obvious solution to our conundrum. We acquire another win-now star who will elevate our championship odds over the next 2-3 years and continue to remain relevant once Harden is completely toast.

If you're trying to cut it down the middle, another option could be SGA.

[ProcessDoctor]

Sure, we'd all like that. But the San Antonio model requires a world class coach, a great FO, and a lot of luck.

The Sixers are 0 for 3 on those.

So the idea they are going to phase nicely into life after Embiid is pure fantasy IMO. They are going to run this ship into the ground trying to win in the next three years. After that, expect Morey and Glenn to set sail and the Sixers to process again.

Agree with both of you a little bit. To me, Donovan Mitchell is the happy medium between the two and seems like the obvious solution to our conundrum. We acquire another win-now star who will elevate our championship odds over the next 2-3 years and continue to remain relevant once Harden is completely toast.

If you're trying to cut it down the middle, another option could be SGA.

He's another interesting name. Would you trade Maxey for him?

[the_process]

Agree with both of you a little bit. To me, Donovan Mitchell is the happy medium between the two and seems like the obvious solution to our conundrum. We acquire another win-now star who will elevate our championship odds over the next 2-3 years and continue to remain relevant once Harden is completely toast.

If you're trying to cut it down the middle, another option could be SGA.

He's another interesting name. Would you trade Maxey for him?

Yes. Maxey, Harris, Thybulle, and 2022 and 2029 1sts to OKC for SGA and Favors. Then Morey will have to work magic to build a bench.

[ProcessDoctor]

If you're trying to cut it down the middle, another option could be SGA.

He's another interesting name. Would you trade Maxey for him?

Yes. Maxey, Harris, Thybulle, and 2022 and 2029 1sts to OKC for SGA and Favors. Then Morey will have to work magic to build a bench.

From OKC's perspective, Maxey is probably a better fit with Giddey. I would probably do that too, minus the 2029 FRP.

Harden/Springer/(Vet min)
SGA/Milton/Joe
(MLE)/Niang/Korkmaz
(BAE)/Reed/Favors
Embiid/Bassey/Petrusev

It'd be great if Springer is ready to take on the third guard role. Morey would need to split the MLE/BAE/vet min among 3 role players. Interesting to say the least.

[Jailblazers7]

“If the Bulls get the sense that LaVine wants out, they will take a more defensive approach toward building the team and trade him to the 76ers for a package that includes Matisse Thybulle and Tobias Harris.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2022/5/28/23145524/bulls-position-breakdowns-zach-lavine-is-in-klutch-time

And now I officially have my hopes up. Lavine’s knee scares me but Lavine would be an incredible late game scorer to have with Embiid & Harden. Defense is an absolute nightmare and Maxey’s fit is not great unless he becomes a super 6th man. If this trade were to go down, I wouldn’t put it past Morey to pursue a Maxey trade for a wing that fit more naturally with Harden/Lavine/Embiid.

[stormi]

“If the Bulls get the sense that LaVine wants out, they will take a more defensive approach toward building the team and trade him to the 76ers for a package that includes Matisse Thybulle and Tobias Harris.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2022/5/28/23145524/bulls-position-breakdowns-zach-lavine-is-in-klutch-time

And now I officially have my hopes up. Lavine’s knee scares me but Lavine would be an incredible late game scorer to have with Embiid & Harden. Defense is an absolute nightmare and Maxey’s fit is not great unless he becomes a super 6th man. If this trade were to go down, I wouldn’t put it past Morey to pursue a Maxey trade for a wing that fit more naturally with Harden/Lavine/Embiid.

DO ITTTTTTT

DEAL ZONE TIME BABY.

[stormi]

Not really a Lavine truther, but if we turn two fraudulent sorry excuses for basketball players into elite athleticism and elite shooting bundled into a powerful punch of scoring - sign me all the way up.

[stormi]

How's his knee? He was really hobbled this past year.

[Jailblazers7]

How's his knee? He was really hobbled this past year.

He got his knee scoped after the season. It’s the same left knee where he tore an ACL so gotta wonder if there’s some long term risks. Either way, he an awesome scorer and has proven to be a closer in end of game situations. Having an athlete like him who can score over good defenders would be massive. Gimme Harden/Lavine/Maxey/Embiid and whatever vets we can sign and I’m good.

Time for some all out recruiting from Embiid and for Morey to use his scammer crypto friends to sneak him some bitcoin under the table.

[mjkvol]

Not really a Lavine truther, but if we turn two fraudulent sorry excuses for basketball players into elite athleticism and elite shooting bundled into a powerful punch of scoring - sign me all the way up.

Do you then move Maxey for a wing or PF, or hope he can become instant offense off the bench? I so hate the idea of trading that kid, but with his value sky high it does make a bit of sense.

[Jailblazers7]

I think you hold onto Maxey in that scenario. You’re just not gonna find anyone as valuable as a borderline all star on a rookie deal.

[ProcessDoctor]

Harden(32)/Maxey(16)
LaVine(32)/Maxey(16)
#23(28)/Niang(20)
MLE(24)/Reed(24)
Embiid(32)/Bassey(16)

Harden/Maxey/Milton
LaVine/Springer/Joe
#23/Niang/Korkmaz
(MLE)/Reed/(Vet min)
Embiid/Bassey/Petrusev

Not sure if Zach is interested in coming here though after the Ben situation and signing with Klutch. It won’t be up to Chicago to decide where he goes.

[PhillyFan11]

Suns S&T Ayton

Suns out: Ayton, Saric, Shamet
Suns in: Capela, Tobi, #16, #23

Hawks out: Capela, Galinari, Hunter, #16
Hawks in: Ayton and I. Joe

Sixers out: Tobi, I. Joe and #23
Sixers in: Hunter, Galinari, and Shamet

[the_process]

Good news is, by that tidbit dropping in the Sun-Times, we know Eversley still likes Tobias and Matisse.

It’s harder than you think to work a LaVine S&T though, because of his raise apparently he will be BYC. Which means he counts 42M coming in but only 21M going out. The Bulls would have to shed another decent sized salary along with the LaVine max to make the deal work.

[Sam Hinkie]

“If the Bulls get the sense that LaVine wants out, they will take a more defensive approach toward building the team and trade him to the 76ers for a package that includes Matisse Thybulle and Tobias Harris.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2022/5/28/23145524/bulls-position-breakdowns-zach-lavine-is-in-klutch-time

And now I officially have my hopes up. Lavine’s knee scares me but Lavine would be an incredible late game scorer to have with Embiid & Harden. Defense is an absolute nightmare and Maxey’s fit is not great unless he becomes a super 6th man. If this trade were to go down, I wouldn’t put it past Morey to pursue a Maxey trade for a wing that fit more naturally with Harden/Lavine/Embiid.

Lavine for Tobias/Thybulle/Phi 2022 1st

OG/Precious/1st for Green/Maxey/Korkmaz

Springer/Toronto 1st/Precious for PJ Washington

Harden
Lavine
OG
PJ Washington
Embiid

That's a damn good team. Losing Maxey would be brutal though.

A criticism I heard on the you know ball podcast, which I completely agreed with, is that Morey has not committed to anything two years in. He is trying to compete for a championship but not fully committing to it. I was surprised that he didn't make any additional trades at the deadline after making the Harden trade. That tells me he didn't think they were a serious contender this year. I expect him to make huge moves this offseason which might piss a few people off.

I think they have to decide if they want 2-3 legit shots at a title or if they want to build more toward the future. The problem is that if you are building for the future then Embiid no longer makes sense on this team. And if you are going for a title in the short-term than the best way to do it might be trading Maxey.

We aren't the Warriors where we have such a surplus of talent and assets that we can do both.

[youngcrev]

Good news is, by that tidbit dropping in the Sun-Times, we know Eversley still likes Tobias and Matisse.

It’s harder than you think to work a LaVine S&T though, because of his raise apparently he will be BYC. Which means he counts 42M coming in but only 21M going out. The Bulls would have to shed another decent sized salary along with the LaVine max to make the deal work.

Wouldn't we run into the hard cap issue as well with a S&T?

[youngcrev]

“If the Bulls get the sense that LaVine wants out, they will take a more defensive approach toward building the team and trade him to the 76ers for a package that includes Matisse Thybulle and Tobias Harris.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2022/5/28/23145524/bulls-position-breakdowns-zach-lavine-is-in-klutch-time

And now I officially have my hopes up. Lavine’s knee scares me but Lavine would be an incredible late game scorer to have with Embiid & Harden. Defense is an absolute nightmare and Maxey’s fit is not great unless he becomes a super 6th man. If this trade were to go down, I wouldn’t put it past Morey to pursue a Maxey trade for a wing that fit more naturally with Harden/Lavine/Embiid.

Lavine for Tobias/Thybulle/Phi 2022 1st

OG/Precious/1st for Green/Maxey/Korkmaz

Springer/Toronto 1st/Precious for PJ Washington

Harden
Lavine
OG
PJ Washington
Embiid

That's a damn good team. Losing Maxey would be brutal though.

A criticism I heard on the you know ball podcast, which I completely agreed with, is that Morey has not committed to anything two years in. He is trying to compete for a championship but not fully committing to it. I was surprised that he didn't make any additional trades at the deadline after making the Harden trade. That tells me he didn't think they were a serious contender this year. I expect him to make huge moves this offseason which might piss a few people off.

I think they have to decide if they want 2-3 legit shots at a title or if they want to build more toward the future. The problem is that if you are building for the future then Embiid no longer makes sense on this team. And if you are going for a title in the short-term than the best way to do it might be trading Maxey.

We aren't the Warriors where we have such a surplus of talent and assets that we can do both.

I'd love to have OG, but I'm not trading Maxey for high end role players, even if you can magically add LaVine. You can find role players to fill out the roster when you've got high level talent in place.

[ProcessDoctor]

Good news is, by that tidbit dropping in the Sun-Times, we know Eversley still likes Tobias and Matisse.

It’s harder than you think to work a LaVine S&T though, because of his raise apparently he will be BYC. Which means he counts 42M coming in but only 21M going out. The Bulls would have to shed another decent sized salary along with the LaVine max to make the deal work.

Why is he $42 coming in? Is that the average annual salary of his next contract? Does this apply to Beal as well?

[the_process]

Good news is, by that tidbit dropping in the Sun-Times, we know Eversley still likes Tobias and Matisse.

It’s harder than you think to work a LaVine S&T though, because of his raise apparently he will be BYC. Which means he counts 42M coming in but only 21M going out. The Bulls would have to shed another decent sized salary along with the LaVine max to make the deal work.

Why is he $42 coming in? Is that the average annual salary of his next contract? Does this apply to Beal as well?

My understanding is that LaVine's max salary starts at $42,250,000.

[the_process]

Good news is, by that tidbit dropping in the Sun-Times, we know Eversley still likes Tobias and Matisse.

It’s harder than you think to work a LaVine S&T though, because of his raise apparently he will be BYC. Which means he counts 42M coming in but only 21M going out. The Bulls would have to shed another decent sized salary along with the LaVine max to make the deal work.

Wouldn't we run into the hard cap issue as well with a S&T?

Yes. If they waive Green and Harden signs a long term deal with a big annual pay cut they can work around it, though. The question then becomes how much ball is Harden willing to play?