Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Negrodamus]

Keldon Johnson is a big pile of nothing, to me ha.

No steals. No blocks. No unassisted buckets. No threes. No assists.

He's legitimately a no-tool player lol.

But he has a gold medal.

[Mik317]

I will never understand defending EVERYTHING about a player.

Like I love Embiid but dude was a fat piece of ****, forces things too much and relies heavily on fouls. I still feel like he has to become a better shooter and less reliant on bully balling and also cut back on the dumbass dunk attempts that have ended in him getting hurt.

see you can criticize a guy you like. Like I wonder if building around a post up guy is viable. Ben fans can't even do that. To them he's perfect and its all about running plays for him while everyone adjusts to him.... which is just nuts. Like even the Bron stans aren;t that delusional ...and that are pretty bad lol.

[76ciology]

Personally not high on either Keldon or Vassell, but i can take my chances with both. And wont take my chances at all with Murray.

Between Vassell and Keldon, Keldon for me would be ready to contribute right away while Vassell is way better as a collegiate prospect and I view him as a higher upside player.

If I have to rank Primo, White, Murray, Vassell and Keldon..

1.) Primo
2.) Vassell
3.) Keldon
4.) White
5.) Murray

Im interested in taking my chances on Primo, Vassell and picks. Then I need White and Keldon for guys who can step in and contribute right away.

[Mik317]

Murray shot your dog or something lol.

[Negrodamus]

Primo is not worth anything to me. Dude was over drafted because he’s super young and has a nice shot. I don’t remember him doing anything at Alabama worth warranting a top 10 pick. Crazy to me.

[Murray_17]

EVERYONE CAN SEE IT

30 NBA COACHES VOTED HIM AN ALL-STAR 3 TIMES. YOU CAN'T SEE A GODDAMN THING MESSAGE BOARD WARRIOR. THE PROS CAN SEE IT.

If this is true then where are all those pro making star packs offerings for the chance to get all mighty Ben Simmons?

[76ciology]

Murray shot your dog or something lol.

Hahahaha

Im allergic to guards who cant shoot and is really bad at scoring. They haunt me in my dreams.

Quite picky with my guards

[76ciology]

Primo is not worth anything to me. Dude was over drafted because he’s super young and has a nice shot. I don’t remember him doing anything at Alabama worth warranting a top 10 pick. Crazy to me.

Its an upside play.

I agree with how you view him based on his college career. He also didnt standout for me.

But Primo looked good in SL. Looks to be a good shooter and can be decent running 2 man games. He also has elite length for a guard 6’6 height with 6’10 wingspan. I like his chances and he’s really promising IMO.

[Iverson Armband]

Primo is not worth anything to me. Dude was over drafted because he’s super young and has a nice shot. I don’t remember him doing anything at Alabama worth warranting a top 10 pick. Crazy to me.

Its an upside play.

I agree with how you view him based on his college career. He also didnt standout for me.

But Primo looked good in SL. Looks to be a good shooter and can be decent running 2 man games. He also has elite length for a guard 6’6 height with 6’10 wingspan. I like his chances and he’s really promising IMO.

I’m very high on him as well. Those measurables, being that young with that pure of a stroke seem like great reasons to draft somebody top 10 lol. I’ve seen guys drafted higher with worse.

[Sportfan73]

I’m just wondering now that this has played out this way what makes any of you think a team would actually trade a star for Ben?

[zero2hero]

I’m just wondering now that this has played out this way what makes any of you think a team would actually trade a star for Ben?

Meh. I don't think this is that big of an issue and this narrative is overrated actually.

At the end of the day, the directive you get being a GM as your professional career from your shareholders/owners is either a) win a championship or b) put butts in seats (or some combination of both). Simmons in the right hands can possibly do one of either or both. He has enough value still where teams will seek his talent regardless of hubris. It's still a business.

[Mik317]

I’m just wondering now that this has played out this way what makes any of you think a team would actually trade a star for Ben?

I don't think we get a star for Ben.

For one...no stars are available but in general stars have been gained for packages of picks anyway.

BUT the main appeal of Ben is unlocking him in a new system and environment. Thats something we can't offer here.

IDK if that works for Ben but there is a chance...so that is the main selling point. He will not reach his potential here...self inflicted but maybe he will elsewhere?

still getting a star for what is a shot in the dark atm is not happening...as such teams like the wolves and spurs who just need someone to push them ahead even if its not into contention is why they are interested. Ben is a floor raiser with some potential to be a building block....even if the latter is less likely now. The idea that Ben sucks and adds nothing is just as bad as the idea that Ben is a perfect being who can do no wrong. He is a good flawed baskeball player who does a lot of good for your team but those flaws also require a lot of workarounds

[freshie2]

I will never understand defending EVERYTHING about a player.

Like I love Embiid but dude was a fat piece of ****, forces things too much and relies heavily on fouls. I still feel like he has to become a better shooter and less reliant on bully balling and also cut back on the dumbass dunk attempts that have ended in him getting hurt.

see you can criticize a guy you like. Like I wonder if building around a post up guy is viable. Ben fans can't even do that. To them he's perfect and its all about running plays for him while everyone adjusts to him.... which is just nuts. Like even the Bron stans aren;t that delusional ...and that are pretty bad lol.

When was Embiid a fat POS?? No he is not perfect, but that’s a bit emotional/irrational. I get Simmons is frustrated, but he is 100% in the wrong here. Embiid can do things better as well, but I’ve seen Embiid play better each year and Simmons not change much at all - how is that the Sixers or Embiid’s fault?

[Mik317]

fat POS is an exxageration of course lol.

but Biid was chomping down burgers and swigging shirley temples pregame....not exactly a good look.

He has gotten much better in that regard but that was also two years ago...when he was 25...like Ben.

Just saying that you can like a player and root for them exclusively...but you need to also realize that they aren't perfect...some aren't capable of doing that it seems

[DCasey91]

- Ben for Murray. Pick swap, whoever gets the higher pick it goes to the Nuggets.

- Ben for White, Doug Mcbuckets, Vassell, 2 1st rnd picks.

- Ben for Sexton, Love, 2 1st rnd picks.

- Ben for CJ and a 1st.

- Ben for Barnes, Hali, Holmes pick swap. We get the better pick

- Three way for Dame Dollar. Wolves get Ben, Blazers get Antman/Players/picks, we get Dame.

- Three way for Ingram. Blazers get Ben, Pels get CJ + defender, we get Ingram. Picks, players all that good stuff to work out everything.

That last one is smexy

Morey try that one for the hell of it. Ingram is on the outer atm let’s get him!

[DCasey91]

(Part 2)

Pels: CJ, 1st pick (Blazers), Roco

Blazers: Ben, Satoransky, 1st (us)

Us: Ingram

Don’t know could work.

Dame + Powell + Ben (more defense)

Zion + CJ + Graham (more space)

Embiid + Ingram (Duo scoring is set)

Seems reasonable for all parties.

[TheBallsDeeper]

I’m just wondering now that this has played out this way what makes any of you think a team would actually trade a star for Ben?

Meh. I don't think this is that big of an issue and this narrative is overrated actually.

At the end of the day, the directive you get being a GM as your professional career from your shareholders/owners is either a) win a championship or b) put butts in seats (or some combination of both). Simmons in the right hands can possibly do one of either or both. He has enough value still where teams will seek his talent regardless of hubris. It's still a business.

Simmons had a big red flag with his inability to shoot, he now has two massive red flags - inability to shoot, and poor attitude.

What team is going to risk trading good players/picks and paying a big money for a player that might decide he doesn't want to play for them and sits out?
What coach is going to want a player that can not take constructive criticism?
What team is going to want to play with a player that walks out on his team mates?

I think Ben Simmons' overseason has hurt his value more than last seasons playoff failure.

[davesilver]

(Part 2)

Pels: CJ, 1st pick (Blazers), Roco

Blazers: Ben, Satoransky, 1st (us)

Us: Ingram

Don’t know could work.

Dame + Powell + Ben (more defense)

Zion + CJ + Graham (more space)

Embiid + Ingram (Duo scoring is set)

Seems reasonable for all parties.

I think this makes sense. Pels become more ready-now for Zion. Blazers get a huge defensive upgrade with Ben. We get our #2 on a championship contender.

[Negrodamus]

Primo is not worth anything to me. Dude was over drafted because he’s super young and has a nice shot. I don’t remember him doing anything at Alabama worth warranting a top 10 pick. Crazy to me.

Its an upside play.

I agree with how you view him based on his college career. He also didnt standout for me.

But Primo looked good in SL. Looks to be a good shooter and can be decent running 2 man games. He also has elite length for a guard 6’6 height with 6’10 wingspan. I like his chances and he’s really promising IMO.

Did he look good? Shot 23% from three, wasn't much of a distributor. He can be decent, but anything that comes of him is untapped, raw potential. He seems like a nice 3&D upside.

[DCasey91]

(Part 2)

Pels: CJ, 1st pick (Blazers), Roco

Blazers: Ben, Satoransky, 1st (us)

Us: Ingram

Don’t know could work.

Dame + Powell + Ben (more defense)

Zion + CJ + Graham (more space)

Embiid + Ingram (Duo scoring is set)

Seems reasonable for all parties.

I think this makes sense. Pels become more ready-now for Zion. Blazers get a huge defensive upgrade with Ben. We get our #2 on a championship contender.

For me it makes sense too logically. All three teams have built their teams wrong and this trade rights the ship for all three.

Pels don’t have good interior defense but can double down on Roco, Hart, Murphy. If I was them I’d be calling up the Pacers and offer abit for Turner. Turner is the one that can make the Nugs, Pels into a legit scary team. Yes CJ is a bad defender but a two wing CJ, Val, Zion setup is fine. More space too.

CJ, Hart, Roco, Zion, Val. Move Graham for Turner and they will be cooking something fierce imo. Then move Val the year after. It’s basically A mini Lebron setup (except the young Lebron isn’t the defender that Lebron is, still will lead to a crap ton of wins).

We get our duo so we’re set on that.

Blazers, Dame + Ben should be better than CJ + Lillard. (Cover Dame’s inherit defensive weaknesses).