Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[the_process]

So I don't see how a rational person would come to that evaluation, no.

So you disagree with their player evaluation. Fine. That doesn't mean they're deviating from a plan.

Clearly they wanted to do all one year deals, so they waited on Reed hoping no offer came. It backfired and then they decided they wanted to keep Reed. Which is fine in and of itself, but it goes against the tide. And now they cannot get max space unless they lose in the 1st round. Which is possible, but not necessarily likely.

[Mik317]

all big lineup is gonna slap tho

yall see those Trez hitting stepback vids?

don't sleep

[Arsenal]

If they matched this offer for Reed, why did they not give McDaniels 2-10?

If you have a plan, even if it's not great, then stick to the plan. This is clearly a deviation.

Now they have to pivot yet again. Making a bad plan even worse.

Just frigging trade Jo already, fire the entire FO, and rebuild. They have their pick this year and the future picks are like top 6 protected.

Incorrect. They rightly decided that Paul Reed was the one FA most worth keeping. Jalen McDaniels wasn't.

We'll see if they're right about that going forward.

[eyeatoma]

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These GMs remember.

I made this same damned point an hour before Woj. I say he reads these boards.
(Although I was wrong about Ainge having been the Jazz GM, was just reacting to other people's comments that seemed to state that. This was definitely personal.)

10:11 PM:

To anyone who only thinks that Ainge is a skunk, rather than Morey as well, it occurred to me that Ainge might have it out for Morey because of things in Morey’s past. I remember vividly something that didn’t happen to Ainge, but it makes me wonder whether something like it ever has.

It happened this time of year in 2012 when Bulls fans were stunned and aggrieved to learn of how Morey had circumvented the Gilbert Arenas rule and signed the Bulls’ highly esteemed backup C, Omer Asik, to a 3 year offer sheet. Poison pill in year 3. The Bulls didn’t match. If you’re interested, skip past the first few paragraphs making fun of Morey and jump to the stuff about the contract.

I’m just glad for now that Morey made sure not to let himself get what might have been just desserts, but at Philly fans’ expense.

https://chicago.sbnation.com/platform/amp/chicago-bulls/2012/7/2/3132108/omer-asik-offer-sheet-houston-rockets-chicago-bulls

Haha, yup remember you mentioning this.

[the_process]

If they matched this offer for Reed, why did they not give McDaniels 2-10?

If you have a plan, even if it's not great, then stick to the plan. This is clearly a deviation.

Now they have to pivot yet again. Making a bad plan even worse.

Just frigging trade Jo already, fire the entire FO, and rebuild. They have their pick this year and the future picks are like top 6 protected.

Incorrect. They rightly decided that Paul Reed was the one FA most worth keeping. Jalen McDaniels wasn't.

We'll see if they're right about that going forward.

Reed is fine. The contract is even fine. But I don't understand the attachment some of you have to these guys. They did not need another big. Period. Tobias is not a wing, even they know that from their depth chart. If you're going to deviate from a plan, make it make sense. Signing yet another big, even one you like, does not make sense.

[Jailblazers7]

Somebody mentioned it earlier but I think the “max cap space” subplot is just a negotiating leverage scheme by Morey. I think everyone knows that Philly isn’t exactly a premier FA destination & max space isn’t likely to net a true star.

Instead, the idea that we’re angling for cap space gives leverage to Morey in a Harden and/or Tobias trade negotiation. We’re happy to just let them expire because we have plans for that cap space so give us a good offer or kick rocks.

Our FA moves (except for Trez) are logically consistent imo. Goodbye to Niang because he got overpaid, goodbye to Shake because he doesn’t have a spot in the rotation, and goodbye to McDaniels because he wasn’t good enough & we can find a project wing to develop elsewhere.

Reed is actually good & now signed to a reasonable deal that he’s likely to outplay. Plus, we’re clearly going to play more double big this season to fix our rebounding issues & lighten Embiid’s burden. I think we’ll be thrilled to have Reed cost controlled at $8M in that 3rd year.

[Negrodamus]

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Yea, my dude cooks. He was an obvious re-sign. Defending many positions in this game, including Jimmy Butler.

[Slacktard]

Somebody mentioned it earlier but I think the “max cap space” subplot is just a negotiating leverage scheme by Morey. I think everyone knows that Philly isn’t exactly a premier FA destination & max space isn’t likely to net a true star.

Instead, the idea that we’re angling for cap space gives leverage to Morey in a Harden and/or Tobias trade negotiation. We’re happy to just let them expire because we have plans for that cap space so give us a good offer or kick rocks.

Our FA moves (except for Trez) are logically consistent imo. Goodbye to Niang because he got overpaid, goodbye to Shake because he doesn’t have a spot in the rotation, and goodbye to McDaniels because he wasn’t good enough & we can find a project wing to develop elsewhere.

Reed is actually good & now signed to a reasonable deal that he’s likely to outplay. Plus, we’re clearly going to play more double big this season to fix our rebounding issues & lighten Embiid’s burden. I think we’ll be thrilled to have Reed cost controlled at $8M in that 3rd year.

I think its just being put out there to appease the fanbase. Much like when the Sixers had Embiid & Simmons on rookie deals and then Butler, Harris, McConnell, etc... They were legally able to sign all of those players and keep that team together through bird rights. They decided not to and I don't think 'skills meshing' was as important as looking at future luxury tax bill.

Now maybe if that team had rolled into the finals things play out differently, but they didn't and financial reasons were certainly a large part of it.

The Sixers *WILL NOT* sign a max FA, load up their salary cap and then go over it by $30M signing Maxey to his extension. Harris is gone, there's a chance the Harden situation plays out differently where he stays and re-signs, but in almost any scenario the Sixers will consider Maxey's big deal and not go +$30M over the cap with him. All of this is just posturing for the fanbase and trying to make the Sixers look 'smart' by having this possible cap space even though the team fully expects to 'budget' Maxey into the cap when they re-sign next year.

[Stanford]

They did not need another big. Period.

Embiid is not going to play 82 games. You're really cool with going into those games with Mo Bamba and Montrezl Harrell? You really want to rely on those two players to play non-Embiid minutes in the playoffs? I think you're crazy.

If you're going to deviate from a plan

You act like you're in their meetings with this conjecture. The front office obviously knew there was a chance that Reed would get a multi-year offer from some team. You have no idea what kind of offer Morey was willing to match from the beginning. No team can have a "plan" that isn't flexible. The possibility of signing Reed to a reasonable multi-year deal was very likely to be included in that plan. Your deviation narrative is bizarre.

[Arsenal]

They did not need another big. Period.

Embiid is not going to play 82 games. You're really cool with going into those games with Mo Bamba and Montrezl Harrell? You really want to rely on those two players to play non-Embiid minutes in the playoffs? I think you're crazy.

If you're going to deviate from a plan

You act like you're in their meetings with this conjecture. The front office obviously knew there was a chance that Reed would get a multi-year offer from some team. You have no idea what kind of offer Morey was willing to match from the beginning. No team can have a "plan" that isn't flexible. The possibility of signing Reed to a reasonable multi-year deal was very likely to be included in that plan. Your deviation narrative is bizarre.

Agree 100%. It's just another way to hate on the front office. I have tons of issues with the front office and ownership, yet that doesn't mean I need to make up things to make them look bad. They've made plenty of mistakes on their own lol.

Resigning Paul Reed is a decision they got right.

[Arsenal]

Somebody mentioned it earlier but I think the “max cap space” subplot is just a negotiating leverage scheme by Morey. I think everyone knows that Philly isn’t exactly a premier FA destination & max space isn’t likely to net a true star.

Instead, the idea that we’re angling for cap space gives leverage to Morey in a Harden and/or Tobias trade negotiation. We’re happy to just let them expire because we have plans for that cap space so give us a good offer or kick rocks.

Our FA moves (except for Trez) are logically consistent imo. Goodbye to Niang because he got overpaid, goodbye to Shake because he doesn’t have a spot in the rotation, and goodbye to McDaniels because he wasn’t good enough & we can find a project wing to develop elsewhere.

Reed is actually good & now signed to a reasonable deal that he’s likely to outplay. Plus, we’re clearly going to play more double big this season to fix our rebounding issues & lighten Embiid’s burden. I think we’ll be thrilled to have Reed cost controlled at $8M in that 3rd year.

I think its just being put out there to appease the fanbase. Much like when the Sixers had Embiid & Simmons on rookie deals and then Butler, Harris, McConnell, etc... They were legally able to sign all of those players and keep that team together through bird rights. They decided not to and I don't think 'skills meshing' was as important as looking at future luxury tax bill.

Now maybe if that team had rolled into the finals things play out differently, but they didn't and financial reasons were certainly a large part of it.

The Sixers *WILL NOT* sign a max FA, load up their salary cap and then go over it by $30M signing Maxey to his extension. Harris is gone, there's a chance the Harden situation plays out differently where he stays and re-signs, but in almost any scenario the Sixers will consider Maxey's big deal and not go +$30M over the cap with him. All of this is just posturing for the fanbase and trying to make the Sixers look 'smart' by having this possible cap space even though the team fully expects to 'budget' Maxey into the cap when they re-sign next year.

You guys are half right. The "max cap space" plan is 1) a negotiating ploy to gain leverage in trade talks, PLUS 2) a backup plan in case no acceptable trades present themselves.

It's not either/or, it's both.

OPTIONALITY

[eyeatoma]

So sick of this franchise, Springer being shopped lmao. Yeah let's lose the only elite defender on our team, because trading Tisse away last year wasn't enough.

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[phiphan]

Let's see what the return is.

[eyeatoma]

Just confirms what we all know. Harris is a horrible owner who won't go into the luxury. Most of the contenders do to appease their stars. They also develop talent, we start then trade them away for washed ex Rockets.

[Stanford]

Springer being shopped according to some guy on twitter named adam rocket ship.

I mean, what a low stakes call. He's a cheap contract end of the bench guy. He's a trade throw-in. Yeah, I won't be surprised if he's traded. Who would be?

[Negrodamus]

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I loved how Vin Fosh had to do some cleanup work after being obviously wrong, lol.

[Slacktard]

Just confirms what we all know. Harris is a horrible owner who won't go into the luxury. Most of the contenders do to appease their stars. They also develop talent, we start then trade them away for washed ex Rockets.

luxury tax pay-outs by selected teams over the past 3 seasons

Spoiler:

Warriors
20-21: $117m
21-22: $170m
22-23: $163M

Nets
20-21: $101m
21-22: $97m
22-23: $14M

Sixers:
20-21: $25M
21-22: $14M
22-23: $0M

Lakers
20-21: $6M
21-22: $45M
22-23: $36M

Bucks
20-21: $1M
21-22: $54M
22-23: $84M

Clippers
20-21: $0M
21-22: $83M
22-23: $59M

Celtics
20-21: $0M
21-22: $0M
22-23: $70M

Sun
20-21: $0M
21-22: $0M
22-23: $53M

Nuggets
20-21: $0M
21-22: $0M
22-23: $17M

The way the NBA salary cap works is if you're a 'contending'... top of your conference team you are theoretically keeping your roster relatively intact, but the price of doing so means you are exceeding your cap and paying luxury tax. Somehow the Sixers have managed to go in the opposite direction to pretty much any other top-3 team in the past 3 seasons who was attempting to 'run it back' continue contending. So either Morey is a strategic genius who makes the best possible player personnel moves and it just happens that works out 'financially' in the Sixers benefit... *OR* moves are done specifically to avoid/reduce luxury tax and not strictly for court performance reasons.

I think the latter makes a lot more sense to believe than the former.

[Arsenal]

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I loved how Vin Fosh had to do some cleanup work after being obviously wrong, lol.

Nobody stays on top of a fluid situation like the Vinsider!

[Arsenal]

So sick of this franchise, Springer being shopped lmao. Yeah let's lose the only elite defender on our team, because trading Tisse away last year wasn't enough.

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I love Springer and want to see him get big minutes. That said, you have to give to get and I'll wait to see who we get before crying OR celebrating.

[youngcrev]

They're shopping a small guard that can't dribble or shoot? Oh no!