76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[76ciology]

Calm down. Everything will be great after the Hornets game.

"Council should play more!"
"I love what Lowry brings to this team!"
"Maxey is the truth !"
"Harris seems to have fixed what was wrong with him !"
"If we get Embiid back we are going to be deadly!"
"Nurse is the best coach this franchise has ever had !"
"We are going to snag someone good with our cap space and assets !"

“Best NetRtg in the league, we’re going to the finals!”

There was a survey in which 9 out of 10 NBA players stated they would rather face the Charlotte Hornets than take a break and go to a strip club in Miami.

[76ciology]

I'm not a fan of Embiid, but I believe this team is a contender for the next three years and is far from needing to rebuild.

This reaction seems to stem from emotions, with fans wanting to overhaul the team after a tough loss.

[Mik317]

find me a star level player that got traded without asking for it.

not many if any.

Thats why constantly whining about how we should trade biid is pointless. Its not happening. Not to mention other factors...like money, the fact that they are trying to get a stadium, the fact that we owe picks, the fact that his injury status will make other teams gunshy, the fact that his position is also a tough sell, the fact that teams who will want him despite it all..probably don't have anything we want. There is this pie in the sky dream that OKC will give us Chet or Jay Dub and a bunch of picks for him...when thats not the reality so you are left with like trading him to Memphis for JJJ and stuff...and is that really making us better than seeing if you can still build around a MVP winner?

Again I was willing to trade him for Scoot this past offseason...so I get the desperation ....but if you take the emotion out of it, you will quickly realize that its not going to happen unless he himself asks out..and even then Morey is stubborn enough that it still isn't a lock lol.

I just wish fans would find better ways to dicuss stuff beyond "trade the best players or fire the coach"....especially when its not going to happen if only due to off the court reasons alone.

[76ciology]

If the Sixers lose to the Hornets, Joel Embiid is going to announce he's playing in the next game faster than the Undertaker rising from his casket in WWE.

[Jailblazers7]

I’d still like to see a John Collins type PF replace Tobias on this team. Having a PF who can rebound, shoot a bit, and provide secondary rim protection would be super valuable.

Tobias is a SF/PF tweener who doesn’t excel at either position. Our top priority should be replacing him with two players a true 3&D SF and a legitimate PF.

[ProcessDoctor]

I’d still like to see a John Collins type PF replace Tobias on this team. Having a PF who can rebound, shoot a bit, and provide secondary rim protection would be super valuable.

Tobias is a SF/PF tweener who doesn’t excel at either position. Our top priority should be replacing him with two players a true 3&D SF and a legitimate PF.

Collins the player would be nice, but at $25 mil/year he isn't worth it IMO. Would be tough to build out the rest of the team and its needs.

[Eyeamok]

I’d still like to see a John Collins type PF replace Tobias on this team. Having a PF who can rebound, shoot a bit, and provide secondary rim protection would be super valuable.

Tobias is a SF/PF tweener who doesn’t excel at either position. Our top priority should be replacing him with two players a true 3&D SF and a legitimate PF.

We get an opportunity to see Miles Bridges play up close and personal today.

I wonder if the disgust about possibly signing Miles Bridges grows louder or dies down the more games this team loses.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think every player has a price. There are times where a player is simply untouchable. As in, there's no amount of gold that I can sell this for. I don't know if I feel that way about Joel Embiid anymore. Would I trade him for Chet and picks? Depends on the picks, but I might possibly say yes to that. I just know that I'm tired of him getting injured. Embiid has been the talk of Philly for the last ten years and he's been injured every season. He's probably missed more games than he's played if you count the 164 game headstart he got sitting out his first two seasons. It's frustrating, and it's worn on a lot of people because of it. Then again, as a Philly faithful, you don't want to give up on him. You don't want to see it end because he's probably the most talented player in the game right now. I don't think we'll trade him, I damn sure don't want to, but at this point I would for the right compensation. Chet alone isn't even close to getting it done.

[Lou_23]

I think every player has a price. There are times where a player is simply untouchable. As in, there's no amount of gold that I can sell this for. I don't know if I feel that way about Joel Embiid anymore. Would I trade him for Chet and picks? Depends on the picks, but I might possibly say yes to that. I just know that I'm tired of him getting injured. Embiid has been the talk of Philly for the last ten years and he's been injured every season. He's probably missed more games than he's played if you count the 164 game headstart he got sitting out his first two seasons. It's frustrating, and it's worn on a lot of people because of it. Then again, as a Philly faithful, you don't want to give up on him. You don't want to see it end because he's probably the most talented player in the game right now. I don't think we'll trade him, I damn sure don't want to, but at this point I would for the right compensation. Chet alone isn't even close to getting it done.

He's been injured every season. But how many games we won with him , and how many games we won with other players since the Julius Erving Days?

The only better season without him was one year with Iverson 23 years ago, when the East conference was terrible.

[sixerguy]

If Iverson was playing nowadays, he’d probably of demanded a trade years before Sixers management finally did, saving us, fans, about 5 years of unnecessary suffering.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think every player has a price. There are times where a player is simply untouchable. As in, there's no amount of gold that I can sell this for. I don't know if I feel that way about Joel Embiid anymore. Would I trade him for Chet and picks? Depends on the picks, but I might possibly say yes to that. I just know that I'm tired of him getting injured. Embiid has been the talk of Philly for the last ten years and he's been injured every season. He's probably missed more games than he's played if you count the 164 game headstart he got sitting out his first two seasons. It's frustrating, and it's worn on a lot of people because of it. Then again, as a Philly faithful, you don't want to give up on him. You don't want to see it end because he's probably the most talented player in the game right now. I don't think we'll trade him, I damn sure don't want to, but at this point I would for the right compensation. Chet alone isn't even close to getting it done.

He's been injured every season. But how many games we won with him , and how many games we won with other players since the Julius Erving Days?

The only better season without him was one year with Iverson 23 years ago, when the East conference was terrible.

I agree. Again, I don't want him to be traded. He's arguably the best player in the game when he's on the floor and healthy. The irony behind it is just what frustrates me. We have the best player in the game...But he's often injured. I just hope he can bounce back from this latest set back. Stop banging knees with Julius Randle, stop banging knees with Kuminga, stop falling on the floor, stop trying to put irrelevant players like Nic Claxton and Daniel Gafford on posters just because they are frustrating you. Embiid can figure these things out and once he does he'll be a lot better off. It's been a hell of a journey with him so far.

[fkd215]

The key question on any trade is, what are you getting back? So saying “we should trade Embiid” or any other player without considering who we’d get in return is silly/meaningless. And the reason why superstars are rarely traded is because it’s impossible to get back fair value. You usually send out your dollar, and get back two quarters, a nickel and a couple pennies. As Philly sports fans we’ve seen this time and again.

So for Embiid, if we’re getting Jokic in return (obviously would never happen), make that trade. But if we’re getting back Julius Randle, RJ Barrett, and Evan Fournier plus picks (an actual trade that was on the table), then F no.

[Bum Adebayo]

The key question on any trade is, what are you getting back? So saying “we should trade Embiid” or any other player without considering who we’d get in return is silly/meaningless. And the reason why superstars are rarely traded is because it’s impossible to get back fair value. You usually send out your dollar, and get back two quarters, a nickel and a couple pennies. As Philly sports fans we’ve seen this time and again.

So for Embiid, if we’re getting Jokic in return (obviously would never happen), make that trade. But if we’re getting back Julius Randle, RJ Barrett, and Evan Fournier plus picks (an actual trade that was on the table), then F no.

Why would you get a better player in Jokic for Embiid? makes no sense.
You don't get another superstar for a superstar trade, what you get is players and picks. My reasoning is to aim for another rebuild, one doesn't win jack **** without a superstar, and with Embiid it will never work, he is injury prone and is only a superstar in Regular Season, he is a star at best in Playoffs, being generous. We are also not a good FA destination, so the logical conclusion is to rebuild with whatever you can get for Embiid, unless it's peanuts of course.

[76ciology]

It makes no sense to trade Embiid. You won’t acquire any players who can offer the same chance of winning the championship as Embiid can right now, neither with our current players nor with our assets in the offseason. Even if we could acquire someone like Paolo Banchero, he wouldn't elevate us to the same level of contention as Embiid does. We have no choice but to ride it out and maximize our chances until he becomes a free agent by 2026-2027.

Play some ball or keep yourself busy. Watch the Hornets game. If we lose, play some ball again and keep yourself occupied until the next game. If we win, drop by RealGM and read our board’s reactions, lol.

[Bum Adebayo]

It makes no sense to trade Embiid. You won’t acquire any players who can offer the same chance of winning the championship as Embiid can right now, neither with our current players nor with our assets in the offseason. Even if we could acquire someone like Paolo Banchero, he wouldn't elevate us to the same level of contention as Embiid does. We have no choice but to ride it out and maximize our chances until he becomes a free agent by 2026-2027.

You guys are only looking at current players, I am looking at picks, get some good picks for Embiid and rebuild, that is absolutely possible. Of course you don't trade him for overrated young players.
Let's face it, we won't be a true contender anytime soon, it's better to plan for the next 3-4 years and come back strong. If we don't trade Embiid, it will take much longer for us to be at contender position again, we will be tanking 2-3 years from now but without the assets an Embiid trade would provide us.
I also understand there is the emotional attachment, Embiid is the whole process, kind of, the only guy left from the process era, the main guy all this time, so people don't want to part ways with him, they want to try everything with him until it fails. I am talking from a pure rational perspective though, when leaving emotions aside, it's the most logical path to take.

[GiannisAnte34]

I think a team like OKC has the assets and the motive to trade for Embiid. They could send Chet and have a slew of picks to add onto it. They could put Embiid in bubble wrap for the regular season until they really need him in the playoffs too

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think a team like OKC has the assets and the motive to trade for Embiid. They could send Chet and have a slew of picks to add onto it. They could put Embiid in bubble wrap for the regular season until they really need him in the playoffs too

It's an interesting option probably the only one I would personally consider, but we are nowhere near that from my understanding. It really shouldn't even be a thought. My post earlier was purely hypothetical. Yeah, some of us are a bit worn down from the continuous injuries, but it's not and shouldn't be anywhere close to that point yet that we trade him. Nick Nurse, Daryl Morey...They didn't come to Philly to be a part of this organization without Embiid. The injury is unfortunate, but there are a few silver linings with this. Mainly for me, it's the development of Maxey throughout all this and of course, the rising first-round draft pick that we have. This team could use some more youth. We've gotten a pleasant surprise from Ricky Council as he looks like a decent rotation player. If we can add another lower lotto prospect to the mix I'll feel a lot better about our future moving forward. I think the goal should be to sustain winning as Embiid gets older and I think the only way to really do that is to continue to have an influx of homegrown talent. I have a feeling that this draft pick will prove to be pretty valuable. We hit big on Maxey and I think we can do it again. This franchise has had a knack for finding talent in the draft OR through undrafted free agents over the recent years. You add to the fact that we are loaded with cap space this summer and things don't look all that bad. We will have gotten through this "transition" year, and with a little bit of luck and health will be right back in the conversation next season for Finals contenders.

[mjkvol]

I’d still like to see a John Collins type PF replace Tobias on this team. Having a PF who can rebound, shoot a bit, and provide secondary rim protection would be super valuable.

Not to mention an elite lob threat.

[mjkvol]

I think every player has a price. There are times where a player is simply untouchable. As in, there's no amount of gold that I can sell this for. I don't know if I feel that way about Joel Embiid anymore. Would I trade him for Chet and picks? Depends on the picks, but I might possibly say yes to that. I just know that I'm tired of him getting injured. Embiid has been the talk of Philly for the last ten years and he's been injured every season. He's probably missed more games than he's played if you count the 164 game headstart he got sitting out his first two seasons. It's frustrating, and it's worn on a lot of people because of it. Then again, as a Philly faithful, you don't want to give up on him. You don't want to see it end because he's probably the most talented player in the game right now. I don't think we'll trade him, I damn sure don't want to, but at this point I would for the right compensation. Chet alone isn't even close to getting it done.

1. Trading superstars rarely happens, and even more rarely ever works out.

2. I might consider trading him for Chet and a pick, but that isn't happening. Like Mik said, it will be more like some non-difference maker and some spare parts and protected picks. A bunch of 'stuff'.

If the Sixers traded Embiid right now, it would be starting the Process over again with Maxey and no draft capital, and Adam Silver would make damn sure that a Hinkie type strategy never happened here again.

[the_process]

It makes no sense to trade Embiid. You won’t acquire any players who can offer the same chance of winning the championship as Embiid can right now, neither with our current players nor with our assets in the offseason. Even if we could acquire someone like Paolo Banchero, he wouldn't elevate us to the same level of contention as Embiid does. We have no choice but to ride it out and maximize our chances until he becomes a free agent by 2026-2027.

Play some ball or keep yourself busy. Watch the Hornets game. If we lose, play some ball again and keep yourself occupied until the next game. If we win, drop by RealGM and read our board’s reactions, lol.

They absolutely have a choice.

And they will choose to keep Embiid.

Whether that's the right or wrong choice.