2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[Kobblehead]

Why would you be proud to be in the camp of thinking of the 80%? The majority of this league is awful from a talent evaluation and personnel decision-making standpoint.

Loading up their capspace on 1 dimensional, flawed players is why there are like 4 teams that have a chance to contend on a yearly basis.

The further your thought process subverts the consensus, the closer to excellence you get.

[sixerswillrule]

I talked a lot of crap about Beal and his contract before the season started but he's taken a huge leap. He's had a big role in Washington's improvement this year.

[Kobblehead]

He definitely took another step, so did Zach Lavine before the injury. They're both good players. I wouldn't want either as one of my core building blocks, though.

[Negrodamus]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

[Kobblehead]

I can't imagine Colangelo considering OG. Simply for the narrative. The outrage would be hilarious.

[aHealthy3]

Why would you be proud to be in the camp of thinking of the 80%? The majority of this league is awful from a talent evaluation and personnel decision-making standpoint.

Loading up their capspace on 1 dimensional, flawed players is why there are like 4 teams that have a chance to contend on a yearly basis.

The further your thought process subverts the consensus, the closer to excellence you get.

Just being contrarian doesn't mean you're right. I think I will side with a league full of paid front office analytics teams' thinking over someone's thinking on a message board who has still yet to point to one piece of tangible evidence other than repeating "2 way player" cliches that suggests KCP is a more valuable player than Brad Beal. You probably thought Harden's contract after getting traded to Houston was ridiculous too, but somehow the Rockets are likely among the 4 teams contending for a title you mentioned.

[Kobblehead]

Your mistake is the assumed competence of front offices around the league. Look at the track record of talent evaluation, draft by draft. Look at the awful contracts given out to flawed players on a yearly basis.

Speculating on what I probably thought about something seems incredibly pointless and unproductive.

[the_process]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

[shawn_hemp]

He definitely took another step, so did Zach Lavine before the injury. They're both good players. I wouldn't want either as one of my core building blocks, though.

you keep bringing up this point when talking about players you dont want to draft

maybe its just me, and I'm the crazy one, but dont we already have our core pieces in Embiid, Simmons, and now Saric?

you can put Covington or even Richaun in there if you want

anyone we add now is just gravy. not every team is going to be full of superstars, you have better luck in free agency in that regard

Sure, we could draft a stud 2-way player in the draft and live happily ever after

but why take a chance when you can just take a guy like Monk or DSJ and WORST CASE scenario, he is your bench superstar playing alongside McConnell, TLC, Saric, and whoever they roll out at center (Richaun plays C or PF? great mystery of our generation IMO)

Id rather draft Monk/DSJ to have him be instant offense off the bench than take someone like Tatum, Isaac, Ball, Ntilikina, or Fox and hope that they will reach their ceilings and become stars

I guess what im saying is, given our cap space, why not draft the high-floor guy? Josh Jackson would be a happy medium but given Phoenix's play lately (all year?), it's unlikely we will have a chance to draft him

[Sixersftw]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

They typically fix everything once order is settled. Also, these rankings are a big board with no thought to team need.

[the_process]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

They typically fix everything once order is settled. Also, these rankings are a big board with no thought to team need.

They acknowledged that BKN traded their pick to
BOS, so too should it be acknowledged the Sixers can swap with SAC. The player listed is inconsequential at the this point, it's simply about DX acknowledging a trade.

[smittybanton]

Adam Silver's 2017 NBA Mock Draft

Adam "the meddler" Silver would draft for teams if he could. And this would be the result in June:

Boston - Markelle Fultz (to Sixers for Jonathan Isaac and Jahlil Okafor) - What do you do with Fultz, Ball or Jackson, when you already have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown? Trade.

Los Angeles Lakers - Lonzo Ball - Russell is shooting guard. Clarkson is a bench-sparker. They need Lonzo Ball to get them going in the right direction, literally and figuratively.

Phoenix Suns - Josh Jackson - Couldn't be a better fit. With Devin Booker at the two, they need a stalwart defender with attitude at the other wing position.

New York Knicks - Dennis Smith Jr. - He's got NYC game. Knicks once had Baron Davis. They get version II.

Orlando Magic - Jayson Tatum - Terrence Ross should come off the bench. Tatum, they hope, will be the more natural three.

Philadelphia Seventy Sixers - Jonathan Isaac (with Jahlil Okafor to Celtics for Markelle Fultz) - Boston and Phoenix would be trade targets. However, Isaac has a place on the Sixers, especially if you consider Ben Simmons a point guard and you use some of that $50M in cap space on a shooting guard (or two). Isaac's not ready to bang right away. You put him right behind Dario so he can come along at his own pace. You also consider Miles Bridges here, since you have to make a decision on paying Covington next summer.

Sacramento Kings - DeAaron Fox - He needs them as much as they need him. With fellow Wildcats Labissiere and Cauley Stein, along with Buddy Hield, this team wants to run. With Fox, they're on the loose.

Minnesota Timberwolves - Lauri Markkanen - Although defense is their more pressing issue, Markkanen's shooting is such a sweet compliment to Towns and Deng. I don't think you can pass it up when you pretty much have the other positions covered.

New Orleans Pelicans - Miles Bridges - Should be an immediate upgrade over Solomon Hill.

Charlotte Hornets - TJ Leaf - When Marvin Williams is your starting four, you need to draft a four. I really like Leaf. Plays with funk.

Dallas Mavericks - Frank Ntilikina - Seth Curry and Yogi Ferrel are doing an admirable job. Ntilikina can add something to the group, then hopefully takeover.

Detroit Pistons - Malik Monk - Very much need a spark off the bench with starter potential, in case they continue to be dissatisfied with Reggie Jackson.

Chicago Bulls - [b]Bam Adebayo[/b] - Need a five that can defend fives. Otherwise, they'll have to pay Cristiano Felicio big money.

Portland Trailblazers - Semi Ojeleye - End the Noah Vonleh-Meyers Leonard experiment.

[Sixersftw]

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

They typically fix everything once order is settled. Also, these rankings are a big board with no thought to team need.

They acknowledged that BKN traded their pick to
BOS, so too should it be acknowledged the Sixers can swap with SAC. The player listed is inconsequential at the this point, it's simply about DX acknowledging a trade.

Maybe its due to how tenuous the swap w/ Sac is given our positions. By comparison the other swap is a certainty. It is a bit strange to not give the Sixers whichever pick is closer.

[shawn_hemp]

if the Celtics only wanted Jahlil in addition to our 1st round pick this year to swap for Fultz id be pretty happy actually. I feel like they would want Richaun instead of Jah

[Negrodamus]

I can't imagine Colangelo considering OG. Simply for the narrative. The outrage would be hilarious.

Right, just like Isaac will probably be out. But those two are better than the alternative at those spots. Also, Sindarius would be in play for me there, but that also will not happen unless he wins the national championship with a pair of 30+ performances.

[LloydFree]

Why would you be proud to be in the camp of thinking of the 80%? The majority of this league is awful from a talent evaluation and personnel decision-making standpoint.

Loading up their capspace on 1 dimensional, flawed players is why there are like 4 teams that have a chance to contend on a yearly basis.

The further your thought process subverts the consensus, the closer to excellence you get.

Church

[LloydFree]

Adam Silver's 2017 NBA Mock Draft

Adam "the meddler" Silver would draft for teams if he could. And this would be the result in June:

Boston - Markelle Fultz (to Sixers for Jonathan Isaac and Jahlil Okafor) - What do you do with Fultz, Ball or Jackson, when you already have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown? Trade.

Los Angeles Lakers - Lonzo Ball - Russell is shooting guard. Clarkson is a bench-sparker. They need Lonzo Ball to get them going in the right direction, literally and figuratively.

Phoenix Suns - Josh Jackson - Couldn't be a better fit. With Devin Booker at the two, they need a stalwart defender with attitude at the other wing position.

New York Knicks - Dennis Smith Jr. - He's got NYC game. Knicks once had Baron Davis. They get version II.

Orlando Magic - Jayson Tatum - Terrence Ross should come off the bench. Tatum, they hope, will be the more natural three.

Philadelphia Seventy Sixers - Jonathan Isaac (with Jahlil Okafor to Celtics for Markelle Fultz) - Boston and Phoenix would be trade targets. However, Isaac has a place on the Sixers, especially if you consider Ben Simmons a point guard and you use some of that $50M in cap space on a shooting guard (or two). Isaac's not ready to bang right away. You put him right behind Dario so he can come along at his own pace. You also consider Miles Bridges here, since you have to make a decision on paying Covington next summer.

Sacramento Kings - DeAaron Fox - He needs them as much as they need him. With fellow Wildcats Labissiere and Cauley Stein, along with Buddy Hield, this team wants to run. With Fox, they're on the loose.

Minnesota Timberwolves - Lauri Markkanen - Although defense is their more pressing issue, Markkanen's shooting is such a sweet compliment to Towns and Deng. I don't think you can pass it up when you pretty much have the other positions covered.

New Orleans Pelicans - Miles Bridges - Should be an immediate upgrade over Solomon Hill.

Charlotte Hornets - TJ Leaf - When Marvin Williams is your starting four, you need to draft a four. I really like Leaf. Plays with funk.

Dallas Mavericks - Frank Ntilikina - Seth Curry and Yogi Ferrel are doing an admirable job. Ntilikina can add something to the group, then hopefully takeover.

Detroit Pistons - Malik Monk - Very much need a spark off the bench with starter potential, in case they continue to be dissatisfied with Reggie Jackson.

Chicago Bulls - [b]Bam Adebayo[/b] - Need a five that can defend fives. Otherwise, they'll have to pay Cristiano Felicio big money.

Portland Trailblazers - Semi Ojeleye - End the Noah Vonleh-Meyers Leonard experiment.

There is no GM in this league (much less Danny Ainge) dumb enough to trade the #1 pick in this draft for Jahlil Okafor and the #6 pick I don't know why you keep posting this idea. Nothing but pure fantasy.

TJ Leaf anywhere near the lottery, the GM of the team should be fired on the spot. Tyler Lydon is a better version of TJ Leaf... and he's better than Markkenen too.

[Sixerscan]

He definitely took another step, so did Zach Lavine before the injury. They're both good players. I wouldn't want either as one of my core building blocks, though.

Bradley Beal: 7.9 win shares/.159 WS per 48/ 20.3 PER/ +2.41 RPM /2.7 VORP

Lavine: 3.2 / .087 / 14.7 / -3.01 / 0.8

KCP: 4.6 / 0.96 / 13.5 / +0.56 / 1.9

I don't understand why you are even comparing him to these guys. Beal is a stud those guys aren't especially Lavine.

[Kobblehead]

Are we even sure Ainge was ever interested in Big Sulky? I always assumed Noel was his real target and all the media leaks attaching him to Okafor was misinformation.

[TheAntiTrump]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

Great catch sir. Yeah, someone needs to tell J.Givony to get it together. BTW....I will be amazed if Dennis Smith lasts til 7. I think he will surprise a lot of people here just how much league GM's will like his game.