2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

the_process · Post #1641 » by **the_process** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:32 pm

Two guys who might be there at 12 that the Sixers should pass on (or take and immediately trade): Wendell Carter and Collin Sexton.

Kobblehead · Post #1642 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm

Why don't we want Collin Sexton?

Negrodamus · Post #1643 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:23 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I don't think Carter goes ahead of him. One of those bottom feeders will take him if for nothing else than to cause excitement for their fanbase. Sexton is probably better, but I don't know that he'd go ahead of Young.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2764689-i-dont-see-it-nba-scouts-execs-doubting-trae-young-after-ncaa-tourney-exit.amp.html

We’re already hearing from the anonymous scouts talking about him. I think the fact that he’s played this whole season like MVP Steph Curry, in that every shot is fair game and he has complete autonomy to do what he wants, is what turns off scouts. Curry was great in college, but I don’t recall him jacking shots from near halfcourt in the regular flow of the offense.

And to lump your other post in here, I think the reason Fultz ended up #1 is the same reason Young will drop: his wingspan/height.

But I’ll just say this, if I were someone like the Magic (picking 4th at the moment), I’d consider trading down to the back half of the top ten and take Young. They have the defensive pieces already, they just need an injection of offense. I’d definitely consider Young top 10 if I, personally, were drafting.

Size is only a part of it. The other reason Young's stock is down, is he allowed himself to be dissected by scouts more, by playing all year against superior opposition. That didn't happen last year. If he would have left all those 40 point games on his resume against his early schedule, he'd probably still be ranked at the top and the majority of some clueless fanbase would be pressuring the GM to take him 2nd or 3rd.

As for the size, you are right, that (along with mediocre athleticism) is the biggest reason why he shouldn't be drafted at the top, but I don't think that's enough to keep him from getting picked at the top. There are a bunch of bad GMs at the top of the draft this year.

You’re probably right about the Fultz Effect.

I will say this, because of his size, he would never be considered the #1 pick unless he had maintained his production from the beginning of the season while leading his team in a postseason run. So while he would have benefitted from sitting in hindsight, he did have a lot to gain by playing although it was always unlikely given his surrounding crew.

Negrodamus · Post #1644 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why don't we want Collin Sexton?

I’d definitely take him. I was interested in him after his 40 point game against Minnesota where he almost won with only four guys on the court. He has more potential than most, if not all, the guards in this draft, but he also has holes that cause me pause. Definitely worth the risk at 12 though.

PLO · Post #1645 » by **PLO** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why don't we want Collin Sexton?

He's way too ball dominant for me, he has the qualities I dislike in Russell Westbrook but without his outstanding aspects. Probably the worst thing about him for me is his passing; its not that he doesn't pass it just he lacks a grasp on how and when to pass in a number of situations. He's OK if he has the ball in transition but basically he's a ball hog otherwise. That recent game against Auburn where he put up 31 points and one assist exemplifies his game to me. He will put up numbers in the NBA while not making those around him better.

Compare him to SGA or Young and its chalk and cheese in comparison - they are so far ahead of him in terms of that type of decision making, albeit Young has cratered quite a bit in recent months. SGA had a bad shooting game yesterday but was still setting up teammates in the half court, making the right pass/play, that's why I would pick both SGA and Young over Sexton pretty easily.

I heard someone say that if Russell Westbrook had been drafted by the Spurs he would have won several titles by now, because Popovich would not have put up with his ball-hoggishness and inefficiency and he would have harnessed his outstanding athletic attributes for the betterment of the team. Sexton is no where near the same athlete Russ is but he'll need to go to such a situation if he's to be a success in the NBA IMO.

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1646 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:07 pm

People need to separate the talent from the theatrics. Sexton is a pit bull and plays with intensity but from a talent perspective? Nah not in this top 8.

Negrodamus · Post #1647 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I am sold on Rob Gray of Houston. This kid can get buckets in his sleep.

Yea dude, this guy might end up being one of the biggest sleepers in this draft. He'll, at minimum, be able to come off the bench and inject instant offense for a team.

Negrodamus · Post #1648 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:59 pm

I cannot wait for this Wichita St vs Marshall game. I have Marshall winning in my bracket because they are coming in VERY hot and have two huge scorers, Jon Elmore and CJ Burks, along with an NBA prospect in Ajdin Penava at PF/C. What could kill Marshall will be foul trouble to Penava and Wichita's extremely good depth. ESPN is predicting an easy win for Wichita (92% predict a win for them), but I'm expecting an upset.

Negrodamus · Post #1649 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:20 pm

Here's a little Penava scouting:

Watch on YouTube

Can't wait for the Warriors to draft him and turn him into a great small ball 5.

Negrodamus · Post #1650 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:54 pm

And just like that, Penava is looking great. He's going to be an absolute steal. The ability to guard multiple positions and hit from outside is so valuable at the next level.

Negrodamus · Post #1651 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:13 pm

Hanging on the rim technical is the saddest enforced rule in all of sports.

Negrodamus · Post #1652 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:26 pm

Does Elmore have a chance in the league? My goodness, his range is unlimited and he's been a pest on defense.

Negrodamus · Post #1653 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:46 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I cannot wait for this Wichita St vs Marshall game. I have Marshall winning in my bracket because they are coming in VERY hot and have two huge scorers, Jon Elmore and CJ Burks, along with an NBA prospect in Ajdin Penava at PF/C. What could kill Marshall will be foul trouble to Penava and Wichita's extremely good depth. ESPN is predicting an easy win for Wichita (92% predict a win for them), but I'm expecting an upset.

Good call.

the_process · Post #1654 » by **the_process** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:05 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I cannot wait for this Wichita St vs Marshall game. I have Marshall winning in my bracket because they are coming in VERY hot and have two huge scorers, Jon Elmore and CJ Burks, along with an NBA prospect in Ajdin Penava at PF/C. What could kill Marshall will be foul trouble to Penava and Wichita's extremely good depth. ESPN is predicting an easy win for Wichita (92% predict a win for them), but I'm expecting an upset.

Good call.

Good call, indeed.

Negrodamus · Post #1655 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:44 pm

Unpopular opinion alert, I still really like Bamba. His future, however, is 100% predicated on the weight he can put on. After the Nerlens ride, I'm still a bit apprehensive.

LloydFree · Post #1656 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:21 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Unpopular opinion alert, I still really like Bamba. His future, however, is 100% predicated on the weight he can put on. After the Nerlens ride, I'm still a bit apprehensive.

They are very different players. Bamba has waaay more coordination and offensive potential. Noel has waaay more defensive awareness. I also don't see his body as a type that won't naturally put on weight.

*** That being said, I think Robert Williams is the safer pick. He doesn't have the upside, because of the absurd length of Bamba, but Williams could be a Clint Capella with more shooting potential.

Negrodamus · Post #1657 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:24 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Unpopular opinion alert, I still really like Bamba. His future, however, is 100% predicated on the weight he can put on. After the Nerlens ride, I'm still a bit apprehensive.

They are very different players. Bamba has waaay more coordination and offensive potential. Noel has waaay more defensive awareness. I also don't see his body as a type that won't naturally put on weight.

*** That being said, I think Robert Williams is the safer pick. He doesn't have the upside, because of the absurd length of Bamba, but Williams could be a Clint Capella with more shooting potential.

I'm talking Nerlens in terms of putting on weight. Nerlens was a decidedly better defensive player than Bamba was in college.

Negrodamus · Post #1658 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:25 pm

How you call that foul with 3.8 left is absolutely absurd.

Kobblehead · Post #1659 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:35 pm

If we were picking in the top 5, I could see people maybe not wanting Sexton. But if we're sitting there at 12 and he's on the board, I think you have to take him and write a thank you letter to the small handful of organizations right in front of you that passed on him.

His takeover ability is off the charts. You may need to instill some more responsibility in him in regards to his playstyle, but I'd almost always rather have to reign in a dog than have to light a fire under a pup. Sexton is going to light up the scoreboard and have home crowds in a frenzy on some nights.

PLO · Post #1660 » by **PLO** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:42 pm

Negrodamus wrote:How you call that foul with 3.8 left is absolutely absurd.

Is this the Texas/Nevada game? I've just tuned into it. Nice call on Marshall from you earlier.