So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[Skates]

If that big move isn't available, and I don't see anyone filling that Beal level move on the market for the deadline, then if you overpay for someone like Lowry, and Beal becomes available in the summer, you have already shot off your ammunition.

Don't overpay for the next tiers down, shop smartly, maybe look for that guy who is a bit trash somewhere else, but on our team can thrive in a more limited role (i.e. the Jordan Clarkson type deal where he suddenly became much more fitting with the Jazz). Make incremental moves level out the starting lineup and bench in some way because we aren't winning anything with both Seth and Danny Green both starting. Curry is just too easy to neutralize against starting units, but would be a nice fit off the bench. Green is fine as a designated starter, but he only plays about half the game. Shake is in that mix, but we need to add/upgrade one to two more wings or PG's that can shoot and a big who can shoot as well.

If you don't overspend now, you can still supplement the existing cast and give this team a shot. Sure, if Beal was out there I would go all in, but the difference between him and Lowry/Oladipo is a huge gaping chasm.

[elchengue20]

Harden is 3 and a half years younger than Lowry and a much better player lol.

They aren't comparable.

[GutUNC]

"We have to make the move now" to keep up is a great tagline but not really useful considering the current marketplace. Unless that piece gets us to legit contender status - and I don't see that guy out there at the deadline - this reads like a short-sighted Tobias type move.

The Tobias AND Butler moves (both rentals) almost worked.
It depends on the price, imho.

Butler almost worked...and then nearly caused us to blow up the team.

Tobias- nah. Overpaid on the front and the back end for expediency.


I'm not saying that an "all in" move is inherently bad, just that forcing the square peg of a Lavine/Lowry trade into the round hole of "are we contending now?" isn't a fit imo.

[sodmoraes]

Dont get me wrong: Lowry would be great here. A proven playoff player, great shooter. But he's 36. How many good years he still have on the tank?

If we cant get Beal/Lavine i would probably wait and see how we perform in the playoffs. I know we are wasting Embiid's prime, but Lowry isnt enough to get past the Nets , and we will blow all our assets( Maxey and picks). Lets wait for a star to became malcontent next year, let Morey work his magic.

There were people here that didnt want Harden, because he's 31, but want Lowry?

Trade packages are completely different. The Harden package is the Lowry package plus Ben Simmons.

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[Kobblehead]

Kyle Lowry is so stumpy, he buys 42 waist 28 length jeans from Khols (boom, roasted).
Kyle Lowry is so old, he listens to Yung Joc on an Ipod in the pre-game layup line (boom, roasted).

This is the guy you'd give up a rookie contract creator and 1st round pick for a couple months of?

[Negrodamus]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

[GutUNC]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

[Sportfan73]

I do think whatever happens will happen soon. With us being a team on the cusp I think Morey will try to get something done over ASB if it’s going to be something significant. The more time for chemistry on a contender the better

[Negrodamus]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

[youngcrev]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

The way Conley was defending him on that clip feels a bit atypical though, no? I mean, maybe he feels like he can recover since Curry doesn't have a particularly fast release, or just doesn't think Tobias has the angle or passing prowess to get him the ball, but I don't think most teams are that comfortable leaving him that open. And frankly, if they are, I'll take an open 3 from an elite spot up shooter all day. I know he passed that one up down the stretch and turned it over while trying to get the ball back into Tobias' hands, but in general I think he tends to make the correct play. I'd just like to see him figure out how to attack close outs sideways to get more volume up. He gets run off the line a little too easy.

[GutUNC]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Seth has his flaws but if you don't think teams respect his 3-point shot, I don't know what to tell you.

[Negrodamus]

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Seth has his flaws but if you don't think teams respect his 3-point shot, I don't know what to tell you.

Teams respect his 3 point shot, but he's not very important at the end of games, especially in OT. He's not creating those shots by himself. They are not sticking to him like glue in that overtime either. The mindset is getting ANY points in OT, not getting Curry an open three. That's why we went ISO with Tobi.

On top of that, he's very exploitable on defense. If they were smart, they would have targeted him on switches and bullied him for easy baskets.

[the_process]

Seth Curry is a guy to upgrade in the offseason.

[elchengue20]

Seth is a nice bench guy on a good contract, but shoudn't be a starter on a contender.

He was a very good pickup and great fit for this team. We needed a player like him since JJ left.

Ill try to keep him if its possible.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Kyle Lowry is so stumpy, he buys 42 waist 28 length jeans from Khols (boom, roasted).
Kyle Lowry is so old, he listens to Yung Joc on an Ipod in the pre-game layup line (boom, roasted).

This is the guy you'd give up a rookie contract creator and 1st round pick for a couple months of?

He also still wears south Pole Jeans and downloads his music from Limewire.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

This is just my opinion (which means nothing) and I'm just a piece of crap breathing air, but I truly feel like we ARE going to the finals this year. With...or without a major trade by the deadline. So with that said, I feel like if we do make a trade, it wont necessarily be a big one. It's going to be small, possibly even a buyout type of move. The question is who are the sellers this year? Minnesota, Detroit, Orlando, possibly Cleveland, Houston, and possibly Nawlins. So out of those teams, which players have intrigue?
Here's what I have come up with
Josh Okogie- Great defender, potential Harden antagonist
Josh Jackson- Young, talented, versatile
Delon Wright- Athletic, can handle the rock, shoot the three, can also defend
Terrence Ross- Athletic, can shoot it from deep, would instantly be an upgrade off the bench.
Evan Fournier- Not as high on him as others are on here
Taurean Prince- Bigger wing player that can stretch the floor and defend.
Danuel House- See Price
Eric Gordon- Also not as high on him, but I wont say no.
PJ Tucker- He's a little washed
Lonzo Ball- Would be an underrated addition for us in my opinion, but a costly one
Eric Bledsoe- Again, not as high on him, his contract is awful, and he ghosts in the playoffs.
Josh Hart- Sleeper pick

That's a realistic list of options for us...In my meaningless opinion. I'd be happy adding any one of those guys to our roster at the deadline. Terrence Ross, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Jackson are pretty much my top three on the wishlist.

[elchengue20]

It seems like Blake Griffin is heading to the buyout market.

Is he still good enough to play backup 4? He can be a free alternative to Bjelica, maybe we don't have to waste assets on a trade.

[Negrodamus]

It seems like Blake Griffin is heading to the buyout market.

Is he still good enough to play backup 4? He can be a free alternative to Bjelica, maybe we don't have to waste assets on a trade.

He and Doc are not on good terms. I just don't see it happening.

[youngcrev]

There were people here that didnt want Harden, because he's 31, but want Lowry? I wouldnt trade Maxey and picks for him. He would be good here but he's too old.
We need a Lavine/Beal kinda player, a true shot creator.


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Everyone wanted Harden, some just didn't want to give up Ben Simmons for him.

A raw 19 year old that may or may not turn into something and a late 1st isn't anywhere near the ball park of what we'd have to give up for Harden. Those would have been courtesy toss-ins.

These scenarios aren't remotely the same in terms of cost of acquisition.

[kriss73]

Current "firepower" for each contender



If a good deal is going to materialize, we're competing only against Denver (Porter and picks) and Miami (young guys but no pick) imho.