Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[mjkvol]

The Pelicans are bad enough that if the picks were unprotected, there’s an outside shot that Philly gets a top three pick this year and then gets the right to swap for first overall next year (Wembanyama).

If the Pelicans offer three picks and three swaps with no real players coming back, who bites?

I would. Those picks could be golden with regard to putting together a package for a real star as well.

[Madd Squabbles]

Y'all, rank:

Dejounte Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal

In terms of your interest in them joining the Sixers in a Ben deal.

1) Ingram
2) Beal
3) Murray
4) Fox

I think that Murray and Fox are the most obtainable. Would prefer Murray of these 2 though.

[FireMorey]

I wonder if ultimately Morey is just going to settle for a massive package of picks and swaps, because a top 25 player may not be available and they may decide that gives them the most optionality.

It would give them plenty of ammo to eventually trade for a star, and would have their own picks and swaps with another team's picks to combine for a big package(and with Thybulle or Maxey if necessary). Or with the extra picks you would have amassed, it would make it easier for the Sixers to stomach giving up picks to get someone to take that Harris contract off their hands.

[Tomjas]

I know both Dame and Portland have said no trade looming, but man are they a mess. I see no way up for them.

Mentioned this before

Blazers ownership complicates things

Jodie Allen is a philanthropist and not a basketball fan

Dame was her brother’s favourite player

Paul Allen bought the team for $70 million and it’s now worth about $2 billion

Her priority is preserving value not titles and Dame generates revenue

I doubt that he gets traded unless he tells her that he wants out & then it’s probably to a destination of his choosing

[Kobblehead]

I still think D'Angelo Russell offers the best combination of talent/fit/obtainability. Still just 25 years old, would be a longterm piece.

I read how he is also one of the most clutch players in the league.

We just need someone who can take those shots in crunch time and get us good points per shot to bail us out when our dribble drive offense get stalled. Not necessarily a guy who can score 40 a game when we need him.

Yeah, Dlo would fill multiple functions.

He's a huge PG. He can operate as a scorer on the ball in the halfcourt. He can operate as a spacer off the ball for our other guys. He even makes plays on the defensive end regarding steals and blocks. He's an incredibly underrated piece. Elite fit.

[Madd Squabbles]

No to Simmons and Harris for Fox Hield and Barnes. Ive changed my mind on Fox he is not very good and neither is Heild. I actually like Barnes the most in terms of a guy that fills a role that is valuable on a NBA team. Maybe a three team deal where we get Barnes and a player from another team better then Fox or Hield. Espn threw out some interesting trades today one was Simmons for Sabonis and TJ Warren and another a three team deal that got us Sabonis and Colin Sexton. Would much rather do either of those deals if there possible. I would bring those guys off the bench the Sixers would be super deep like Utah. Sexton could be Jordan Clarkson/Lou Williams type. Sabonis and him would be amazing against second units. Sabonis and TJ Warren would be amazing against second units as well. Could still play those guys starters minutes like 28-30 a game.

Agree 100%

Some people are so desperate to end the saga and move Harris that they seem willing to accept anything

Fox is no better than current Maxey but he’s on a max contract and his attitude stinks

Hield is no better than current Seth but he’s on $20 million and his attitude stinks

Barnes I could live with in a trade for Tobias with Bagley included

I have been critical of Morey throughout but he’s 100% correct to be asking for Fox ++ in a trade for Simmons alone

I think I would trade Harris and Springer for Barnes and Bagley. I would then trade Bagley to the Bulls for 2 second-round picks.

[eyeatoma]

I still think D'Angelo Russell offers the best combination of talent/fit/obtainability. Still just 25 years old, would be a longterm piece.

I read how he is also one of the most clutch players in the league.

We just need someone who can take those shots in crunch time and get us good points per shot to bail us out when our dribble drive offense get stalled. Not necessarily a guy who can score 40 a game when we need him.

Yeah, Dlo would fill multiple functions.

He's a huge PG. He can operate as a scorer on the ball in the halfcourt. He can operate as a spacer off the ball for our other guys. He even makes plays on the defensive end regarding steals and blocks. He's an incredibly underrated piece. Elite fit.

Good God.

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[Madd Squabbles]

Better then playoff Ben and I guess thats all that really matters. Advanced stats for career regular season games would show Simmons to be more then marginally superior however. Im one of the biggest Ben detractors around but its ludicrous how far his stock has fallen he is a multiple time all star and an all 3rd team NBA player and a main cog in a playoff team for years. Even a year ago no one would say Simmons for Murray was ridiculous I feel like the consensus then would probably be the Sixers shouldn't do it.

I still wouldnt trade Ben for Murray.

But ive been wanting to trade Ben for years already. I always knew he is dragging us down

Dragging us down to the play ins

This is the problem. People don't want to trade Simmons for Murray, Fox, Brogdon or other obtainable players. They only want to trade for players who are unavailable. So would you rather trade for an attainable player or just let Simmons stay our on sick leave for the next 3 years?

[Madd Squabbles]

I don't think the Sixers can get the player they want straight up for Simmons. Looks like the players they can get right now is Sabonis and Fox. My question is which team can we move either of those players to for a player we really need?

Need to target teams that have extra wing players who need a point guard or center. Any suggestions?

[Kobblehead]

We can't get Lillard, Harden, or Beal straight up for Ben.

We can get Hield, Russell, McCollum, Brogdon, etc - This tier of players fits really really well.

[ProcessDoctor]

I read how he is also one of the most clutch players in the league.

We just need someone who can take those shots in crunch time and get us good points per shot to bail us out when our dribble drive offense get stalled. Not necessarily a guy who can score 40 a game when we need him.

Yeah, Dlo would fill multiple functions.

He's a huge PG. He can operate as a scorer on the ball in the halfcourt. He can operate as a spacer off the ball for our other guys. He even makes plays on the defensive end regarding steals and blocks. He's an incredibly underrated piece. Elite fit.

Good God.

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Just give it 3 more weeks, he’ll be harping on about how poor DLO is at everything basketball-related.

[spikeslovechild]

We can't get Lillard, Harden, or Beal straight up for Ben.

We can get Hield, Russell, McCollum, Brogdon, etc - This tier of players fits really really well.

No they don't.

I don't want any of those players for Ben if that is what is being offered continue to fine him and wait if any star shakes loose. We have nothing to lose really in that case by doing so those guys aren't needle movers and a similar player will still be there at any point should we decide to lower the price further in six months or even a years time

It's why I said we should trade for someone like Grant without giving up Simmons. The better the team is the more leverage we have not only against Ben but other teams as well.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, Dlo would fill multiple functions.

He's a huge PG. He can operate as a scorer on the ball in the halfcourt. He can operate as a spacer off the ball for our other guys. He even makes plays on the defensive end regarding steals and blocks. He's an incredibly underrated piece. Elite fit.

Good God.

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Just give it 3 more weeks, he’ll be harping on about how poor DLO is at everything basketball-related.

I told ya'll LAST SUMMER that Dame was cooked and ya'll didn't believe me. I told ya'll Maxey was floating and didn't fit with the starters and ya'll didn't believe. It's time to switch up and put your trust where it's supposed to be.

[Kobblehead]

We can't get Lillard, Harden, or Beal straight up for Ben.

We can get Hield, Russell, McCollum, Brogdon, etc - This tier of players fits really really well.

No they don't.

Yes they do. Each and everyone of those guys can absolutely sling it from deep and maximize our spacing.

[ProcessDoctor]

Good God.

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Just give it 3 more weeks, he’ll be harping on about how poor DLO is at everything basketball-related.

I told ya'll LAST SUMMER that Dame was cooked and ya'll didn't believe me. I told ya'll Maxey was floating and didn't fit with the starters and ya'll didn't believe. It's time to switch up and put your trust where it's supposed to be.

You’ve told this forum a lot of things. That I’m 100% sure of

[eyeatoma]

This team needs a trade in the worst way. I know that Embiid is on board with Morey's plan, but he's going to get really agitated, by the deadline if the trade doesn't happen then. If we go until summer, and Embiid continues to get better and return to MVP form, he is going to sour on this organization. If they cannot trade Simmons now, at the very least they need to trade Harris as he is a net negative on this roster.

[eyeatoma]

We can't get Lillard, Harden, or Beal straight up for Ben.

We can get Hield, Russell, McCollum, Brogdon, etc - This tier of players fits really really well.

No they don't.

Yes they do. Each and everyone of those guys can absolutely sling it from deep and maximize our spacing.

3 of those players are injury prone. We have no idea if McCollum will have this issue all the time. Hield is also overpaid, for a chucker. I'd do Hield and Barnes for Tobi, but not for Ben.

Russell had one all-star appearance and that is what he has to hang his hat on. He is the epitome of a chucker. Despite being a big gaurd he is also a sieve on defense.

[Kobblehead]

Zach Lavine and Devin Booker were chucker sieves too, though. Now they're on first place teams. Pair Russell with Embiid and then we can evaluate whether or not he's a winning player.

[spikeslovechild]

Zach Lavine and Devin Booker were chucker sieves too, though. Now they're on first place teams. Pair Russell with Embiid and then we can evaluate whether or not he's a winning player.

If you want to take a flyer on Hield I'd listen to it but that doesn't cost you Simmons.

[KL78192020]

is simmons getting paid right now? or no?