Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

eyeatoma · Post #1641 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:04 pm

If that's the 2nd option, I would not mind that at all. Beal is overpaid, but is a much better scorer than Tobias. You can plug in some 3 and d players in those other positions.

Eyeamok · Post #1642 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:06 pm

Arsenal wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I honestly couldn't care less who can "cook." No one has been a better cook than Harden the last 10 years, yet when the playoffs roll around he gets stymied.

Plus we're not going anywhere next year anyway. Best to let Maxey do his thing and see if he can develop as a "cook" himself, since he can already score efficiently every other way.

Why? Even if Harden returns?

I'm assuming Harden leaves. If he does we need to hand the keys to Maxey and let him develop. No other "star" will be available to save us.

If Harden stays then we obviously run it back and see if Nurse can get us over the hump.

the hump being the 2nd round?

Arsenal · Post #1643 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:45 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

I wouldn't give up picks plus Tobias for Beal's bloated deal. Paying him $52M/yr for the next 4 years could be just as crippling as "The Contract," which we're finally almost rid of.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1644 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:01 pm

I'm definitely giving up picks for Beal if I keep Maxey and Embiid together lol . Tobias is the contract and player is just not it lol . Beal is a scoring champion and one of Embiids favorite players. Definitely doing that deal lol

youngcrev · Post #1645 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:12 pm

What's the point of arguing whether you'd be willing to do a deal that's clearly not going to be on the table?

Washington's not gonna trade Beal for Tobias and a first that conveys in like 6 years.

eyeatoma · Post #1646 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:13 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

I wouldn't give up picks plus Tobias for Beal's bloated deal. Paying him $52M/yr for the next 4 years could be just as crippling as "The Contract," which we're finally almost rid of.

Beal is not worth his contract, but Tobias, is really not worth his contract. I think if we're not giving up Maxey, we have to give up picks, so we can get off that contract. We need more perimeter play, with Harden potentially gone, and even though Beal isn't top 10- he's easily top 20-30, which is good enough. Couple that with Maxey's growth and we should be good.

eyeatoma · Post #1647 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:13 pm

youngcrev wrote:What's the point of arguing whether you'd be willing to do a deal that's clearly not going to be on the table?

Washington's not gonna trade Beal for Tobias and a first that conveys in like 6 years.

I don't think we do a deal if we're giving up Maxey. We'll be a better team just with Maxey and Embiid, rather than Beal and Embiid.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1648 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:21 pm

I mean the only 1st we can trade is in 2029, so if Washington is willing to take that then sure. A Maxey/Beal backcourt scares me quite a bit. We'd also have 0 forwards though, and no real way to acquire a good one sans the MLE.

youngcrev · Post #1649 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:21 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
youngcrev wrote:What's the point of arguing whether you'd be willing to do a deal that's clearly not going to be on the table?

Washington's not gonna trade Beal for Tobias and a first that conveys in like 6 years.

I don't think we do a deal if we're giving up Maxey. We'll be a better team just with Maxey and Embiid, rather than Beal and Embiid.

Probably. I don't want to deal Maxey for him either.

I just don't get arguing sticking points on options that won't be available to them. It's like saying I only want Harden back if he's signing for 10M a year.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1650 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:46 pm

Nah this playoffs was a disaster we need to renovate. Harden has been unsuccessful two playoff years here. So no way I'm resigning him.
Tobias been here how many years??? He gotta go .
Niang and Shake hell no don't resign ...
Tucker And Korkmaz can kick rocks two
Waive Harrell
Resign Reed and McDaniels and start a new athletic /lengthy defensive movement.

Embiid / ---------
Mcdaniels/ Reed
**** /House
Melton/ Springer
Maxey / ______

Negrodamus · Post #1651 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:33 pm

It would be actually crazy if they traded for Beal at the draft with only giving up Tobias and draft capital. It would be so uniquely stupid but also obviously a gesture for Morey to try to entice Harden back, so it would make sense.

A Maxey, Beal, Harden backcourt is insanely bad on defense but one of the best on offense. Would need to figure something out at PF. Obviously can't have 6'5 Tucker starting there, lol.

Mik317 · Post #1652 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:42 pm

if Washington did that deal then Beal must be broken lol.

that cannot be the best deal on the table even if you think his contract is terrible lol.

youngcrev · Post #1653 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:54 pm

Negrodamus wrote:It would be actually crazy if they traded for Beal at the draft with only giving up Tobias and draft capital. It would be so uniquely stupid but also obviously a gesture for Morey to try to entice Harden back, so it would make sense.

A Maxey, Beal, Harden backcourt is insanely bad on defense but one of the best on offense. Would need to figure something out at PF. Obviously can't have 6'5 Tucker starting there, lol.

They could do a variation of a box and 1, where instead of the 1 being on the opponents best player, you use Joel Embiid as your 1 guy to guard everyone. Not sure how box plays in yet. Nurse will figure it out.

Arsenal · Post #1654 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:57 pm

As far as I’m concerned Beal @ $52M/yr with 4 years left is a negative value contract. It would be close to impossible to build a champion around that.

FireMorey · Post #1655 » by **FireMorey** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:03 pm

I agree, trading Tobias for that horrendous contract should not require additional picks. It's a terrible contract to take on that will likely have few takers outside some desperate teams. If the Sixers can get him for Tobias + not much else, then maybe you gamble. Otherwise, hell no.

Skates · Post #1656 » by **Skates** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:05 pm

Arsenal wrote:As far as I’m concerned Beal @ $52M/yr with 4 years left is a negative value contract. It would be close to impossible to build a champion around that.

Even more crippling than Tobias's deal given the new CBA terms and second apron limitations. Beal is a contract to try and get off your books, not one to add to them.

bball4life · Post #1657 » by **bball4life** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:39 pm

Skates wrote:
Arsenal wrote:As far as I’m concerned Beal @ $52M/yr with 4 years left is a negative value contract. It would be close to impossible to build a champion around that.

Even more crippling than Tobias's deal given the new CBA terms and second apron limitations. Beal is a contract to try and get off your books, not one to add to them.

I couldn't agree more. At least Tobias is a decent defender and when he decides to shoot threes, his percentages are good. Beal is an inefficient chucker who has regressed for years. He had a bit of a bounce back statistically this past season but overall trend is concerning. I think the step down from Harden to Beal is massive. I'd rather let Tobias expire than trade him for Beal.

Negrodamus · Post #1658 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:43 pm

Morey has been rumored to target Beal multiple times throughout the past 3 years, including after trading Ben for James. I don't think Morey sees Bradley as a negative asset.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1659 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:46 pm

bball4life wrote:
Skates wrote:
Arsenal wrote:As far as I’m concerned Beal @ $52M/yr with 4 years left is a negative value contract. It would be close to impossible to build a champion around that.

Even more crippling than Tobias's deal given the new CBA terms and second apron limitations. Beal is a contract to try and get off your books, not one to add to them.

I couldn't agree more. At least Tobias is a decent defender and when he decides to shoot threes, his percentages are good. Beal is an inefficient chucker who has regressed for years. He had a bit of a bounce back statistically this past season but overall trend is concerning. I think the step down from Harden to Beal is massive. I'd rather let Tobias expire than trade him for Beal.

Tobias ain't ****. He deserves no love lol :banghead:

mjkvol · Post #1660 » by **mjkvol** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:05 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

I might hold my nose and do Tobias for Beal, but no way am I including picks. They should actually be paying us to take that ridiculous contract off their hands.

Problem is, now you're stuck with Beal if it doesn't actually improve the team, which I highly doubt that it would.