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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1661 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:19 pm

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You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


He could average 5 blocks a game and it still wouldn't make him a good defender

LOL. He should average 10 blocks per game. The minute Embiid sits down, it's like a bell rings and it's a 'Bumb rush' straight to the basket. It's almost comical how opposing teams attack him when he's in the game.


Embiid is the only guy on the team that can make Sergio Rodriguez, TJ McConnell, Ersan and Dario look like they are doing an acceptable job defensively. When Embiid goes to the bench Okafor is encompassed from all sides with a barrage of penetration given up by those sieves. Okafor is no Embiid as a defensive anchor, but the Cavs have real NBA players all over that team playing at a high level so he wouldn't have to be an Embiid, he could just be a Mosgov...
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1662 » by AdotSmoove » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:25 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.

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Are you trying to suggest that Okafor doesn't know he can't play D?


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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1663 » by TTP » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:26 am

Brett Brown to Jahlil:

jonjames is a signature bet welcher.

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Post#1664 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:32 am

TTP wrote:Brett Brown to Jahlil:


Naga, naga, nagonna work here anymore

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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1665 » by LloydFree » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:48 am

TTP wrote:Brett Brown to Jahlil:



Okafor to Brown

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Actually if you ask me which Center I want for my perfect championship caliber team, I will chose Asik hands down
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1666 » by freshie2 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:58 pm

I think Derek commented on this a week or so ago, but it's often overlooked how many balls NN gets his hands on. Amazing quickness and activity for a man of his size. Unless a deal blows them away, we probably have until January 15th to see this experiment play out, and I'm very anxious to see him get a few games with 25 minutes on the court and d 10-15 paired with JoJo.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1667 » by Ericb5 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:18 pm

I have officially switched my position to wanting to keep Noel and trade Okafor.

I still think that Okafor is the more talented player, but he clearly fits worse than Noel does.

Noel on defense with Embiid will be much better if for no other reason than allowing Embiid to play at the rim, and letting Noel chase around the opponents in space. They then cover for each other with help defense.

On offense, Noel can just get out of the way so the post belongs to Embiid.

Maybe we start Simmons at the 3, Noel at the 4, and Embiid at the 5, for the first 5 minutes of each half. Then Noel comes out, and Simmons moves over to the 4.

Then the rest of Noel's minutes will be backing up the 5 so we always have either Embiid or Noel on the floor protecting the rim.

Let Noel get 25-30 minutes that way, and Embiid and Simmons both play 32-36 minutes.

Some variation of that can work, especially if we get some guards in the lottery next draft.

Trade Okafor at the deadline for the best deal we can find, and then sign Noel in the offseason.

Long term if we need to trade Noel too then we won't have any trouble once he has a contract.




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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1668 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:55 pm

Ericb5 wrote:I have officially switched my position to wanting to keep Noel and trade Okafor.

I still think that Okafor is the more talented player, but he clearly fits worse than Noel does.

Noel on defense with Embiid will be much better if for no other reason than allowing Embiid to play at the rim, and letting Noel chase around the opponents in space. They then cover for each other with help defense.

On offense, Noel can just get out of the way so the post belongs to Embiid.

Maybe we start Simmons at the 3, Noel at the 4, and Embiid at the 5, for the first 5 minutes of each half. Then Noel comes out, and Simmons moves over to the 4.

Then the rest of Noel's minutes will be backing up the 5 so we always have either Embiid or Noel on the floor protecting the rim.

Let Noel get 25-30 minutes that way, and Embiid and Simmons both play 32-36 minutes.

Some variation of that can work, especially if we get some guards in the lottery next draft.

Trade Okafor at the deadline for the best deal we can find, and then sign Noel in the offseason.

Long term if we need to trade Noel too then we won't have any trouble once he has a contract.




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Okafor is redundant with Embiid. It's just not a good fit. I have always preferred Noel to Okafor.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1669 » by juice4080 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:00 pm

Ericb5 wrote:I have officially switched my position to wanting to keep Noel and trade Okafor.

I still think that Okafor is the more talented player, but he clearly fits worse than Noel does.

Noel on defense with Embiid will be much better if for no other reason than allowing Embiid to play at the rim, and letting Noel chase around the opponents in space. They then cover for each other with help defense.

On offense, Noel can just get out of the way so the post belongs to Embiid.

Maybe we start Simmons at the 3, Noel at the 4, and Embiid at the 5, for the first 5 minutes of each half. Then Noel comes out, and Simmons moves over to the 4.

Then the rest of Noel's minutes will be backing up the 5 so we always have either Embiid or Noel on the floor protecting the rim.

Let Noel get 25-30 minutes that way, and Embiid and Simmons both play 32-36 minutes.

Some variation of that can work, especially if we get some guards in the lottery next draft.

Trade Okafor at the deadline for the best deal we can find, and then sign Noel in the offseason.

Long term if we need to trade Noel too then we won't have any trouble once he has a contract.




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you and i are on the same wavelength as it pertains to the direction the teams should take (lineups, who they should trade, who they should draft)....another thing that hasn't been mentioned is that noel can make better usage of simmons passing ability (finishing alley oops) than for okafor can....lord knows this team need easy baskets and i think the simmons-noel connection can provide it
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1670 » by Ericb5 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:08 pm

juice4080 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:I have officially switched my position to wanting to keep Noel and trade Okafor.

I still think that Okafor is the more talented player, but he clearly fits worse than Noel does.

Noel on defense with Embiid will be much better if for no other reason than allowing Embiid to play at the rim, and letting Noel chase around the opponents in space. They then cover for each other with help defense.

On offense, Noel can just get out of the way so the post belongs to Embiid.

Maybe we start Simmons at the 3, Noel at the 4, and Embiid at the 5, for the first 5 minutes of each half. Then Noel comes out, and Simmons moves over to the 4.

Then the rest of Noel's minutes will be backing up the 5 so we always have either Embiid or Noel on the floor protecting the rim.

Let Noel get 25-30 minutes that way, and Embiid and Simmons both play 32-36 minutes.

Some variation of that can work, especially if we get some guards in the lottery next draft.

Trade Okafor at the deadline for the best deal we can find, and then sign Noel in the offseason.

Long term if we need to trade Noel too then we won't have any trouble once he has a contract.




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you and i are on the same wavelength as it pertains to the direction the teams should take (lineups, who they should trade, who they should draft)....another thing that hasn't been mentioned is that noel can make better usage of simmons passing ability (finishing alley oops) than for okafor can....lord knows this team need easy baskets and i think the simmons-noel connection can provide it


We hardly get any easy baskets these days. Simmons is going to make the game easier for everyone. The advantage of Noel on offense is simply that he will be out of the way, and crashing the glass. That's all we will need him to do.

Get a few dynamic guards like Monk, Ball, Jackson, Fultz, or Smith and we will be terrific. Sprinkle role players that can shoot around them like Saric, Covington, and Stauskus, and we could make the playoffs next season.

As long as we have Simmons and Embiid at full strength we would be a playoff team, or at least darn close to one.


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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1671 » by hookshot199 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:39 pm

TTP wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.

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This reads like a job interview.



This is like a Groundhog Day moment. Brown's only had 18 months to think about this. I just don't understand the guy. It's one thing not to be able to play them all together because of injuries. It's another thing not to have a plan for how to use them 29 games into the season and two months before the trade deadline. It's becoming more obvious that there's a competence problem.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1672 » by 3j_McCollum » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:01 pm

Let's get Crabbe... Risky but I'm sure it can pay off. 24 years old. Been impressive last year and this year his shooting is even better. Plays his best basketball as a starter. Philly needs a 2 so Henderson can come off the bench. If the risk pays off, he can be a play off team starter for sure.

Problem : his defense. Not that bad, but not good at all. $$$$$ contract but as I said, if it pays off, he'll deserve his money.

Give it a go!
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1673 » by 3j_McCollum » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:02 pm

I'm sure the Blazzers have already offered this trade. They need a center and salary cap.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1674 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:09 pm

3j_McCollum wrote:Let's get Crabbe... Risky but I'm sure it can pay off. 24 years old. Been impressive last year and this year his shooting is even better. Plays his best basketball as a starter. Philly needs a 2 so Henderson can come off the bench. If the risk pays off, he can be a play off team starter for sure.

Problem : his defense. Not that bad, but not good at all. $$$$$ contract but as I said, if it pays off, he'll deserve his money.

Give it a go!


Heeeeeeell no. He costs too much. I think he's a decent player but no. Portland gave him all that money. Let the man deal with their mistake. Why would we let them off the hook and then be on the hook to paying an average player all that money thus hurting our cap situation? No. We don't need any bad salaries.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1675 » by Arsenal » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:11 pm

If we trade Noel for Crabbe we need their 1st rounder also.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1676 » by hookshot199 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:30 pm

3j_McCollum wrote:Let's get Crabbe... Risky but I'm sure it can pay off. 24 years old. Been impressive last year and this year his shooting is even better. Plays his best basketball as a starter. Philly needs a 2 so Henderson can come off the bench. If the risk pays off, he can be a play off team starter for sure.

Problem : his defense. Not that bad, but not good at all. $$$$$ contract but as I said, if it pays off, he'll deserve his money.

Give it a go!



Oh, please. He was one of the worst signings in the offseason - four years, $74 mil.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/allen-crabbe-13344/

Okafor is in the second year of his rookie contract. Let them try to get a center in the draft. Their pick, most likely 10-16 or even 10-18 would be a minimum.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1677 » by LloydFree » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
3j_McCollum wrote:Let's get Crabbe... Risky but I'm sure it can pay off. 24 years old. Been impressive last year and this year his shooting is even better. Plays his best basketball as a starter. Philly needs a 2 so Henderson can come off the bench. If the risk pays off, he can be a play off team starter for sure.

Problem : his defense. Not that bad, but not good at all. $$$$$ contract but as I said, if it pays off, he'll deserve his money.

Give it a go!


Heeeeeeell no. He costs too much. I think he's a decent player but no. Portland gave him all that money. Let the man deal with their mistake. Why would we let them off the hook and then be on the hook to paying an average player all that money thus hurting our cap situation? No. We don't need any bad salaries.

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Actually if you ask me which Center I want for my perfect championship caliber team, I will chose Asik hands down
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1678 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:00 pm

freshie2 wrote:I think Derek commented on this a week or so ago, but it's often overlooked how many balls NN gets his hands on. Amazing quickness and activity for a man of his size. Unless a deal blows them away, we probably have until January 15th to see this experiment play out, and I'm very anxious to see him get a few games with 25 minutes on the court and d 10-15 paired with JoJo.


A bunch of things get overlooked inregards to Noel including how many balls he fails to get his hands on and how many turnovers he never credit for (he gets credit for plenty he has a ridiculous 17.4% TOV) by his inability to catch passes.

In any case my stance regarding Noel remains unchanged he needs to be moved the money nor the minutes are here for him. I mean if he was willing to play 13-15 minutes a night and sign for 10 million AAV I'm sure we could figure something out but he wants starter minutes and max money. He's not a four he will never be a four. Embiid raised a stink about playing the 4 with Okafor. Noel range is non-existent.

Also one of Embiid or Noel is going to be playing near the basket on defense. Which negates most of the value for one of them on defense. The fit isn't there. I'm not sure it is with Okafor either but I never viewed them as an either or proposition. We have Embiid and Simmons it could very well be neither.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1679 » by Sixerscan » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:41 pm

Hot take maybe the guy that was our best player the previous two seasons and currently has a 27.4 PER and the team is net +27.1 with him on the court in limited minutes this year should get to play more.
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Post#1680 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:02 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Hot take maybe the guy that was our best player the previous two seasons and currently has a 27.4 PER and the team is net +27.1 with him on the court in limited minutes this year should get to play more.


It's nuts. And the amazing thing is that he doesn't force offense nor really needs to be all that involved in the offense besides hitting an open jumper or slamming home a dunk under the rim on a pass or offensive rebound.

He was an absolute pest on defense the other night. When he, Embiid, and Covington are on the court together, I don't envy the other team.

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