The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[Mik317]

you aren't going to get Towns for Embiid. you aren't going to get Booker for Simmons.

the actual return is going to be much worse than many hope.

[reignfire]

Booker is way better than Simmons.

Embiid would turn the Wolves into winners.

[Kobblehead]

Simmons gets too much crap for not trying hard enough. Dude was hustling his ass off all night. That play where he came back to stuff Brogdon was great.

He plays hard enough in games. I think people just want him to try harder to get better in the offseason and not just show up every year as the same player with no improvements for the last 6 years.

[76ciology]

Umm.. he’s not playing that hard for me. I find his effort to be inconsistent like some plays he plays all DPOY level and some plays he plays defense like Evan Turner (raise your hand on defense and grab those board$). Then you factor in what you expect from him (Specially after the max) and how much his defense has to compensate for what he lacks on offense.

Yeah, maybe i just expect a lot from him. I’m talking about peak 2005-2006 Gerald Wallace. Would have been more reasonable if he’s more functional on offense that way what I require for him on defense would be much less.

[Simmons25]

Simmons gets too much crap for not trying hard enough. Dude was hustling his ass off all night. That play where he came back to stuff Brogdon was great.

He plays hard enough in games. I think people just want him to try harder to get better in the offseason and not just show up every year as the same player with no improvements for the last 6 years.

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

[eyeatoma]

Simmons gets too much crap for not trying hard enough. Dude was hustling his ass off all night. That play where he came back to stuff Brogdon was great.

He plays hard enough in games. I think people just want him to try harder to get better in the offseason and not just show up every year as the same player with no improvements for the last 6 years.

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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[Simmons25]

He plays hard enough in games. I think people just want him to try harder to get better in the offseason and not just show up every year as the same player with no improvements for the last 6 years.

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

[eyeatoma]

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

Lol fair enough but that's literally the only guy in the league that gives him problems.

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[Simmons25]

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

Lol fair enough but that's literally the only guy in the league that gives him problems.

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True.

[Mik317]

Embiid has been passing out of double teams a lot better lately.

Ben has been getting to the line a lot more lately and generally has had spurts of aggression when the team has needed it.

Both guys have improved its just not immediately noticeable or what we want them to improve in lol

[phillynative]

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

Embiid = stopped by 1 elite defensive player(who is helped by poor spacing and frequen dbls )
VS
Simmons = stopped by any team who slows down the offense and crowds the paint.

Does these really compare?

[Eyeamok]

Embiid has been passing out of double teams a lot better lately.

Ben has been getting to the line a lot more lately and generally has had spurts of aggression when the team has needed it.

Both guys have improved its just not immediately noticeable or what we want them to improve in lol

Small sample size. But I want it to be the norm going forward. To tell the truth, the last week of basketball has really been enjoyable watching Ben play. I enjoy watching him drive to the hoop and miss, because that is how you get better, you make mistakes and you fix them. And his defensive plays at the end of the game have been a joy to watch. And his free throw shooting the other night was excellent. Keep it up young fella. Keep it up.

[youngcrev]

You are right. Unfortunately the same can be said for Joel Embiid. They have both regressed and I don't know why.

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

He cooks Whiteside and Drummond, and those guys aren't undersized.

The biggest thing Gasol does against him is pushing him out of the lane and not letting him catch the ball deep. If left alone I think he'd be able to face him up and do work, but the Raptors take that way with the double team. The combination of those 2 things looks like it frustrates the hell out of him. To me, you just accept the double, and trust your teammates to make the play against a scrambling defense. Hurt them enough like that and they'd have to think twice about the double. He's just got to make better decisions and accept that he's not going to put up a ton of points against that team.

[Chris76]

Embiid has been passing out of double teams a lot better lately.

Ben has been getting to the line a lot more lately and generally has had spurts of aggression when the team has needed it.

Both guys have improved its just not immediately noticeable or what we want them to improve in lol

Embiid's passing is the key for success. Scott, Simmons, and other cutters are benefiting from his better ball movement.

Furthermore, Embiid getting better post position early is another key. Embiid playing smarter is a good sign.

Simmons being more aggressive and noticeably finishing better are welcome improvements. He had a jumper with less fade away that looks more promising. It would be nice for Simmons to average 20 or more pts a game.

[Simmons25]

Embiid has shown his dominant self the last three games. Looked like the Embiid of old. He needs to keep bringing it though.

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The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

Embiid = stopped by 1 elite defensive player(who is helped by poor spacing and frequen dbls )
VS
Simmons = stopped by any team who slows down the offense and crowds the paint.

Does these really compare?

Yeah yeah yeah we get it... 80% of your posts are negative about Simmons and all bad things Joel does is because of Ben's poor spacing apparently (It's not) but who cares.

I was talking about Joel AND Ben both regressing on where they were last year. If you think Joel is better than he was last year you are deluded. He is the best player on the team but far too often doesn't play like it...and against better teams that know if you double team him hard he is easily stopped and prone to turnovers (just like Ben).

[phillynative]

The Embiid of old always dominated skinny undersized 5's. I'm not impressed.

To show me he has actually improved and not regressed from last year he needs to step up and do it against the guys he hasn't been able to do it against for the last 4 years. So far he hasn't come up against another decent big yet since laying the d0nut against Gasol.

Embiid = stopped by 1 elite defensive player(who is helped by poor spacing and frequen dbls )
VS
Simmons = stopped by any team who slows down the offense and crowds the paint.

Does these really compare?

Yeah yeah yeah we get it... 80% of your posts are negative about Simmons and all bad things Joel does is because of Ben's poor spacing apparently (It's not) but who cares.

I was talking about Joel AND Ben both regressing on where they were last year. If you think Joel is better than he was last year you are deluded. He is the best player on the team but far too often doesn't play like it...and against better teams that know if you double team him hard he is easily stopped and prone to turnovers (just like Ben).

Nah your paranoid my post is about what I see from our two best players and whats obvious. Im not an overt fan boy like you and a sixer fan before any player.

I do not believe either Ben or Joel has regressed , I just believe teams and players around the NBA have figured them out. They are no longer the scary tandem because neither have improved or taken their game to the next level.

I am critical of Both players game because they are still young and our best chance for my favorite home team to win a chip. Its not gonna happen if they dont make the neccessary improvements.

[phillynative]

Also you said ben gets doubled , I dont think I ever seen him get doubled . They just crowd the paint on him because they know he wont shoot.

[Eyeamok]

Since I have soured on Simmons he has been playing a lot better. Last night another quality game from him. For a while guys on this board have been saying put some shooters around Ben and watch him thrive. These last few games he has been finding shooters in their spot and it's just been a thing of beauty to watch. He has also been more aggressive going to the basket and he has been working on his fade away shot. So I have to say I am still sour on him..but keep on improving young man.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, having shooters around him and giving him open driving lanes are obvious ways to make him more effective.

I still can't envision myself warming up to him, though. Too many dealbreaking individual qualities.

He seems incapable and unwilling to carry a real star scoring load.
He can't score in the halfcourt.
He can't play off the ball and space.

[sodmoraes]

I'm worried fultz will better than simmons when this season ends, broken shot and all..

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