So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[ProcessDoctor]

Current "firepower" for each contender



If a good deal is going to materialize, we're competing only against Denver (Porter and picks) and Miami (young guys but no pick) imho.

Demand a trade already, Zach. You know Chicago’s not your long-term fit.

[Negrodamus]

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[76ciology]

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Been looking at Tucker to Sixers scenarios (among other things), it just makes a lot of sense. Tucker should allow Sixers to unlock a small ball unit with Ben.

[Sportfan73]

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Honestly it gives another option that is a no Howard bench look with Ben, and that’s good enough for me for a second. Suddenly the shake, kork, tiise, Ben, howard lineups are

Shake
Kork
Tiise
Ben
Tucker

With tucker spending the entire time on offense in the corner and Ben going full downhill attack mode

[zaz102]

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I haven't seen too much of him, but his stats don't look very good. Is he really any better Mike Scott? Also, is he capable at center?

If he's not that great and unless they're doing another move, why not go after a better player?

[Sixerscan]

Last night's OT more than anything convinced me that DeRozan should be strongly considered. I get the idea of Curry being a great fit with Ben and Joel, but Curry was essentially a warm body out there in OT. I don't know how much his shooting ability influenced the Tobi mismatch, but I'm going to guess not too much.

At end of game scenarios, I think bucket getters like DeRozan, Embiid, and Tobias will close out games and create matchup nightmares for the other team.

The problem is, DeRozan (and the Spurs) are playing too well recently.

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Curry is providing spacing here? The guy isn’t hugging him out to the 3 point line but he’s also not ignoring him and doubling Harris. If Curry was standing where Embiid was Conley/Mitchell would absolutely be all over him.

[Negrodamus]

Gonna be tough to get buckets with 5 defensive feet planted in the paint at all times.

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Curry is providing spacing here? The guy isn’t hugging him out to the 3 point line but he’s also not ignoring him and doubling Harris. If Curry was standing where Embiid was Conley/Mitchell would absolutely be all over him.

The point I was trying to make is that he isn't some face guarding threat that forces his man to be unavailable in help defense which is the way the "spacing" argument suggests. If you swap him out with Thybulle, Mitchell and Conley aren't completely abandoning their man to help on Tobias.

Obviously he's a threat, but I don't think he influences the defense as much as some suggest on here. And I certainly don't think the spacing he provides counters how exploitable he is on defense.

[Sixerscan]

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Curry is providing spacing here? The guy isn’t hugging him out to the 3 point line but he’s also not ignoring him and doubling Harris. If Curry was standing where Embiid was Conley/Mitchell would absolutely be all over him.

The point I was trying to make is that he isn't some face guarding threat that forces his man to be unavailable in help defense which is the way the "spacing" argument suggests. If you swap him out with Thybulle, Mitchell and Conley aren't completely abandoning their man to help on Tobias.

Obviously he's a threat, but I don't think he influences the defense as much as some suggest on here. And I certainly don't think the spacing he provides counters how exploitable he is on defense.

Well it depends on what the other team’s doubling rules are. Utah generally never doubles. Toronto on the other hand was just completely ignoring Thybulle and even Korkmaz to double Embiid on the other side of the court but I don’t recall them doing that with Curry the game he played.

[Murray_17]

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Isn't Morey blacklisted in Houston?

Tucker would solve a lot of problems (if he's not cooked like he has looked this season), it would add shooting and we can use him as a real Tobi replacement from the bench and also allow us to realistically go small with him and Ben.

Still need a secondary ball handler though

[tough83]

if they dont trade or sign anyone, im really going to lose my faith in this organization like you have two great players on your team and you dont want to improve your team by signing or trading anyone like why?

[kriss73]

I bet Tucker is coming here only via buyout.
And it's very likely imho.

[Stanford]

if they dont trade or sign anyone, im really going to lose my faith in this organization like you have two great players on your team and you dont want to improve your team by signing or trading anyone like why?

If they don't trade for or sign anyone it will be because the price for difference makers is too high. You can be confident that Morey will explore every option.

[HardenToSixers]

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[Jailblazers7]

if they dont trade or sign anyone, im really going to lose my faith in this organization like you have two great players on your team and you dont want to improve your team by signing or trading anyone like why?

If they don't trade for or sign anyone it will be because the price for difference makers is too high. You can be confident that Morey will explore every option.

For sure, if no moves are made it won't be from lack of trying. It's probably harder to find a deal this year too because of the play-in format. Probably 25 out of the leagues 30 teams think they still have a shot at the 10 spot and getting a playoff spot means some additional job security for some coaches & GMs.

[Stanford]

If Morey desperately needed to make a move, I'm sure he could get Rozier or Buddy Hield for Matisse, Maxey, two firsts and a swap.

[spikeslovechild]

I don't understand why there's talk of a Lonzo trade from NOP's perspective. Why would they look to move him? He seems like a great piece to have next to Ingram/Zion.

Literally.

He's a non max rfa next year basically eq to a rental

[Negrodamus]

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Isn't Morey blacklisted in Houston?

Tucker would solve a lot of problems (if he's not cooked like he has looked this season), it would add shooting and we can use him as a real Tobi replacement from the bench and also allow us to realistically go small with him and Ben.

Still need a secondary ball handler though

I'm guessing we're going to get him in the buyout market. The Rockets likely want to move him for something and Tucker's camp is already pushing to the league that he wants to end up here.

I imagine Mike Scott will be sent somewhere in a trade (possibly part of a larger package) if that happens.

[Murray_17]

devonte graham

why? guy is terrible

[GutUNC]

https://youtu.be/xjVjqfzk6gc?t=532

Do you see anything from this point forward in the game where Curry is really influencing the defense? If anything, it's Embiid on the perimeter, thus pulling Gobert away, that's providing easy-ish baskets for Tobi.

Seth has his flaws but if you don't think teams respect his 3-point shot, I don't know what to tell you.

Teams respect his 3 point shot, but he's not very important at the end of games, especially in OT. He's not creating those shots by himself. They are not sticking to him like glue in that overtime either. The mindset is getting ANY points in OT, not getting Curry an open three. That's why we went ISO with Tobi.

On top of that, he's very exploitable on defense. If they were smart, they would have targeted him on switches and bullied him for easy baskets.

Of course he's not creating those shots for himself - that's never been the expectation. He's a 45% 3-point shooter who requires others to earn him space which, fortunately, we have the roster to generate for him.

His exploitability on defense is definitely a negative, but you're question was whether or not he actually influences a defense. We saw through Josh Richardson last year what happens if you have a non-threatening shooter in that spot, and it was awful.

[agiaco]

If Morey desperately needed to make a move, I'm sure he could get Rozier or Buddy Hield for Matisse, Maxey, two firsts and a swap.

Scary Terry is a guy that would be a big addition. I've considered the same thing. He's definitely a guy I would target and could be the 4th guy to pair with the big 3.