Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[arkknight1988]

Ok first of all im an orlando fan but im not here to throw out trades that would not help your team. Im also a fan of the sixers and like what jrue and turner did this postseason. I think orlando wants/needs AI more than any team in this league and would be willing to give up our best assets to make it work for both teams.

Orlando: Sign and trade Jrich Anderson/Bass Orton and a 1st pick.

Sixers starting five
Jrue/Lou
Jrich/Meeks
Turner/Young
Brand/Anderson
Hawes/Orton/Anderson

This has a young core with veteran leaders in Jrich and Brand. I think a backcourt of Jrue and Jrich would work much better than nelson and jrich did in orlando. Anderson can hit the three and is a good rebounder and actually can play some center when needed. Orton has potential and can become a good center in a few years. The 1st round pick can turn into a lottery pick if dwight leaves like alot of people think he will. This also makes lou available. Look i know these players arent the calibre of Monta but try to give this a reasonable look.

[BringBackKorver]

No thanks. The magic don't have a way to get Iguodala as it stands. Obviously they could with Dwight, but that would be dumb so it doesn't count.

The Magic just don't have any assets. In a S&T J Rich will be getting too much money (and he's old and doesn't fit with our core), Orton is nothing special, Bass and Anderson are decent backups but nothing out of the ordinary, and quite frankly your firsts are garbage.

We just aren't good trading partners.

[Ruhiel]

Win Shares Per 48 age 27
0.127 - Allen Iverson
0.130 - ?
....
Anyways I wonder where Iguodala will end up. U know PHI isn't getting back equal value

[BringBackKorver]

Yes because win shares is such an important stat. Guess what scoring leader had a .04 his rookie year? Or which MVP had a .1 last year?

[arkknight1988]

No thanks. The magic don't have a way to get Iguodala as it stands. Obviously they could with Dwight, but that would be dumb so it doesn't count.

The Magic just don't have any assets. In a S&T J Rich will be getting too much money (and he's old and doesn't fit with our core), Orton is nothing special, Bass and Anderson are decent backups but nothing out of the ordinary, and quite frankly your firsts are garbage.

We just aren't good trading partners.

Hes only 30. Would redick be more appealing?

[BringBackKorver]

Like I said, you guys can't get him. Nothing you guys are willing to trade has more value than a mid first, and no combination of them is enough to get Iguodala from us.

And I know J-rich is 30. That's the problem. He's old enough to not be around when we want to compete, but young enough to be in the way for a few years keeping us decent. If we trade Iguodala we're getting worse. There's no reason for it to include paying a bunch of money to an aging player that will keep us fighting for the 8th seed.

[P2K]

P2K, if you read my statement as saying that Iguodala and Iverson are similar players then you missed the point. I said both players reached a point where the team was not going to win with them and a majority of Sixers fans had turned against them.

How is that in any way incorrect, and how does that in any way put them on the same level?

Philly fans have turned on:

Mike Schmidt
Ron Jawarski
Randall Cunningham
Charles Barkley
AI
Lindross
Abreau
Iguodala

Those players have very little in common beyond the fact that they went from fan favorites to scapegoats once their teams started struggling. Almost all ended up being traded.

Its very hard for a team to keep a player around once the fanbase has turned sour on them, whether it is justified or not. Mike Schmidt was the only one that stuck around and the fans eventually came around after the team won a World Series.

Eagles fans turn on every QB that doesn't win a Super Bowl.

Barkley was made into a scapegoat? I never saw that at all. Not his fault Harold Katz was a putz.

AI and Lindros? The fans didn't turn on them. Their own franchises got tired of them lol.

Abreu? Was he even that much of a lightning rod before traded?

Schmidt got under the fans' skin since the first day he took the field because of his "supposed" lazy play, which wasn't the case.

Does Iguodala even fit with these names? Not trying to be an ass, but...I don't see it. But I get your point. But in Iguodala's case, besides the year of Eddie Jordan, the team wasn't struggling really. They just were the definition of mediocre. I think the fans are way more mad at the FO and not Iguodala.

[Kobblehead]

Ok first of all im an orlando fan but im not here to throw out trades that would not help your team. Im also a fan of the sixers and like what jrue and turner did this postseason. I think orlando wants/needs AI more than any team in this league and would be willing to give up our best assets to make it work for both teams.

Orlando: Sign and trade Jrich Anderson/Bass Orton and a 1st pick.

Sixers starting five
Jrue/Lou
Jrich/Meeks
Turner/Young
Brand/Anderson
Hawes/Orton/Anderson

This has a young core with veteran leaders in Jrich and Brand. I think a backcourt of Jrue and Jrich would work much better than nelson and jrich did in orlando. Anderson can hit the three and is a good rebounder and actually can play some center when needed. Orton has potential and can become a good center in a few years. The 1st round pick can turn into a lottery pick if dwight leaves like alot of people think he will. This also makes lou available. Look i know these players arent the calibre of Monta but try to give this a reasonable look.

Honestly, you have ZERO assets to pull off anything more than a minor deal.

[tk76]

\But in Iguodala's case, besides the year of Eddie Jordan, the team wasn't struggling really. They just were the definition of mediocre. I think the fans are way more mad at the FO and not Iguodala.

I can only speak for myself, but as a fan- prolonged mediocrity with no light at the end of the tunnel is as bad or worse than actually following a terrible team.

Once the fans realize that the team's highest profile player won't be enough to get them past mediocre, they start wanting that player gone. They'd rather be really bad for a bit until they get a new star to ride to success then know they have to watch several more years of mediocrity.

I actually agree with this approach- I just don't think it is usually because the high profile player is a failure. I put the blame and frustration squarely on the front office. Iguodala is a good player. But any GM who thinks Brand/Iguodala/Miller/Sam is a recipe for a champion should not be running the Sixers. Iguodala alongside a true franchise player like Durant, Kobe(prime) or even DWade would be great. But for some reason the front office lost sight of what role Iguodala was best suited for.

As for his contract- he is not even the 40th highest paid player in the NBA. He would be the 3rd or 4th highest paid player on many playoff teams. he will be overpaid his last 2-3 years, but that is what happens when you have a 6 year escalating contract. You get good value in the front half and bad value the final few years.

[Sixersftw]

I actually agree with this approach- I just don't think it is usually because the high profile player is a failure. I put the blame and frustration squarely on the front office. Iguodala is a good player. But any GM who thinks Brand/Iguodala/Miller/Sam is a recipe for a champion should not be running the Sixers. Iguodala alongside a true franchise player like Durant, Kobe(prime) or even DWade would be great. But for some reason the front office lost sight of what role Iguodala was best suited for.

bingo. Iguodala is taking the brunt of misdirected blame from fans. The FO is at fault here completely. The front office's plan was half cocked. Iguodala was seen as a rising star at the time which was/is partially true (he is a secondary star, poor man's scottie). They assumed Brand was going to be back in beast mode after a catastrophic injury. They had no direction when it came to miller and ended up losing him for nothing (essentially trading Iverson for... a rental and Jason Smith). And Lets not even discuss Sam. Because this plan blew up in there face the Players get flak even though for the most part they are doing their jobs.

A.I, Iguodala and whoever replaces them as the face of the franchise will get savaged by fans until the front office pulls us out of this 1st round exit ground hogs day.

[Sixerlover]

Next up, Evan Turner

[P2K]

Can't get on a bench player that much...that is...if he's here in the next three years.

While I agree with what has been said, people are coming down on the fans for their supposed misdirected turn against Iguodala. Well, the same is happening towards these said fans. Why the hostilty? Why the "Oh boy, who will they go after next" stuff? Honestly, I don't see this hatred towards Iguodala outside of a few posters on here. And you cannot look down upon fans that can see through the BS.

Most fans that are on here or call up sports radio and so on point out Iguodala not because he sucks. They know he doesn't. These fans point him out because they know he can't continue to be THE guy on this squad if they want to become elite and are calling on the FO to do something about it.

[corwin]

Ok first of all im an orlando fan but im not here to throw out trades that would not help your team. Im also a fan of the sixers and like what jrue and turner did this postseason. I think orlando wants/needs AI more than any team in this league and would be willing to give up our best assets to make it work for both teams.

Orlando: Sign and trade Jrich Anderson/Bass Orton and a 1st pick.

Sixers starting five
Jrue/Lou
Jrich/Meeks
Turner/Young
Brand/Anderson
Hawes/Orton/Anderson

This has a young core with veteran leaders in Jrich and Brand. I think a backcourt of Jrue and Jrich would work much better than nelson and jrich did in orlando. Anderson can hit the three and is a good rebounder and actually can play some center when needed. Orton has potential and can become a good center in a few years. The 1st round pick can turn into a lottery pick if dwight leaves like alot of people think he will. This also makes lou available. Look i know these players arent the calibre of Monta but try to give this a reasonable look.

If you base the deal around Jameer (n a 3-way) to some team like Portland there is potential. I would see Orlando sending Anderson (he played like an all-star against us) & 1/2 firsts & whatever assets Jameer could bring. If Batum was sent out way that would be a start but there would need to be salary filler. Portland has some decent prospects stashed overseas & some of those might have to come.

Just ran this on the trade board Trade ID #5894197, so it works financially. I don't want to make this a trade board thread, but a 3-way sending Iggy to Orlando works of the deal is Bass, Anderson, Batum & Miller (partial guarantee) plus 1st rounders; maybe one from Portland also. Portland gets Jameer Nelson & Speights & Orlando gets Iggy. No starting calibre big but good players, salary relief & picks. Not beyond the realm of possibility.

[freshie2]

bingo. Iguodala is taking the brunt of misdirected blame from fans. The FO is at fault here completely. The front office's plan was half cocked. Iguodala was seen as a rising star at the time which was/is partially true (he is a secondary star, poor man's scottie). They assumed Brand was going to be back in beast mode after a catastrophic injury. They had no direction when it came to miller and ended up losing him for nothing (essentially trading Iverson for... a rental and Jason Smith). And Lets not even discuss Sam. Because this plan blew up in there face the Players get flak even though for the most part they are doing their jobs.

A.I, Iguodala and whoever replaces them as the face of the franchise will get savaged by fans until the front office pulls us out of this 1st round exit ground hogs day.[/quote]

The NBA is a luck or location league...you either luck out and get a player like Duncan in the lottery (while we get stuck with Iverson) or you have a team in LA, Miami, or NY and can draw star players based on status locations. The FO did overpay somewhat for Iguodala, but I don't think it is that awful a deal. The issue was more that he became the primary scoring option by neccessity instead of remaining the swiss army knife player who did a little bit of everything. If there is a way for Jrue and ET to be efficient primary scoring options on offense next season, then having Iguodala in his perfect supplementary role is perfect. Go to the options of low cost veteran big men + drafting another, and I'm fine with the direction of the team (along with re-signing Thad/Hawes).

[Sixersftw]

Most fans that are on here or call up sports radio and so on point out Iguodala not because he sucks. They know he doesn't. These fans point him out because they know he can't continue to be THE guy on this squad if they want to become elite and are calling on the FO to do something about it.

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often those fans end up bashing iguodala rather than simply calling for FO to move him. they denigrate his skills to imply that we should trade a "Sam young","defensive specialist", "25 min bench player (this was a dedicated special on LCB), 4th option etc. I don't know if its to make the pill easier to swallow or what. There wouldn't be a lot of conflict between fans if the "sports radio fans" simply stated that Iguodala has to be moved because of growing frustration on Andre's part, or to acquire a big man etc.

I agree with trading Iguodala, but what frustrates me is people pretending he is less of a player than he is. Bash away on his contract,' that's tantamount to bashing the front office. He skills however should be respected. I can even get behind the "korver" defense. Iguodala is a luxury we can't afford until we have "the man". It's the quest for "the man" that is also getting the guy killed. people revert to the "he doesn't score over 22 points so he sucks mentality" because we are so desperate.

[Sixersftw]

The NBA is a luck or location league...you either luck out and get a player like Duncan in the lottery (while we get stuck with Iverson) or you have a team in LA, Miami, or NY and can draw star players based on status locations. The FO did overpay somewhat for Iguodala, but I don't think it is that awful a deal. The issue was more that he became the primary scoring option by neccessity instead of remaining the swiss army knife player who did a little bit of everything. If there is a way for Jrue and ET to be efficient primary scoring options on offense next season, then having Iguodala in his perfect supplementary role is perfect. Go to the options of low cost veteran big men + drafting another, and I'm fine with the direction of the team (along with re-signing Thad/Hawes).

For the record I think Andre's deal is fair. I agree w/ the luck or location thing but we get an extra wrench here. Even though we are a giant tv market and one of the top 5 most storied franchises... no one ever forces a trade here.The media portrays philly fans like savages. Who would want to come here?

[P2K]

That's some stinkin' thinkin' right there. The Sixers aren't on the radar of the great players because the team is as bland and non-descript as ever. There's no juice going on and the FO is to blame for this. At least the Nets did something to change their fortunes.

Notice how the other professional teams in this city don't have a problem attracting players. The fans really have nothing to do with it at all. If the franchise generates news, is splashing cash around or making big deals to get better, the stars will want to come and the whole "fans" thing becomes an afterthought.

Besides, this is the Sixers. What fans are there in the arena to be savages?

[76ciology]

Given a chance to do it all over again, would you honestly sign Iguodala to that 6 year contract $80,000,000 contract?   

Would you pay that much money on someone who is better off as a fourth to fifth option on offense in a championship caliber team? If you want a defensive specialist, then sign a guy like Tony Allen. If you want someone to be your team's main facilitator, then ask your PG to do that Job. If you want a finisher off the break, then let anyone do it.

Iggy is very versatile and is an efficient player, that explains his high PER numbers and is definitely not a useless player you trade hedo or jrich for. But paying him that much money is, IMO, unnecessary. And that makes him overpaid. It's not because he isn't worth the contract, the issue here is if it's necessary of pay a jack of all trades, master of none (role player as some would call) type of player that much.  He's not overpaid because of his worth. It's more of an issue of proper allocation of the team's salary budget.

It's like instead of doubling the size of your house because of an expanding family, you instead spend it all to a very expensive door that is made of rich mahogany and studded with gold. Yes, it might be worth it. But is it really necessary to have a very expensive door?

Luol Deng might be overpaid. Josh Smith might be overpaid. Joe Johnson might be overpaid. But all of these overpaid players would benefit the team or most of the teams more than Iggy and his fair contract.

Just my two cents. 

[Sixersftw]

Besides, this is the Sixers. What fans are there in the arena to be savages?

Well, I'll definitely concede that point.

I honestly don't know what else to blame it on. We've never been a big trade/FA draw in good and bad times

[PhillyFan]

Given a chance to do it all over again, would you honestly sign Iguodala to that 6 year contract $80,000,000 contract?   

Would you pay that much money on someone who is better off as a fourth to fifth option on offense in a championship caliber team? If you want a defensive specialist, then sign a guy like Tony Allen. If you want someone to be your team's main facilitator, then ask your PG to do that Job. If you want a finisher off the break, then let anyone do it.

Iggy is very versatile and is an efficient player, that explains his high PER numbers and is definitely not a useless player you trade hedo or jrich for. But paying him that much money is, IMO, unnecessary. And that makes him overpaid. It's not because he isn't worth the contract, the issue here is if it's necessary of pay a jack of all trades, master of none (role player as some would call) type of player that much.  He's not overpaid because of his worth. It's more of an issue of proper allocation of the team's salary budget.

It's like instead of doubling the size of your house because of an expanding family, you instead spend it all to a very expensive door that is made of rich mahogany and studded with gold. Yes, it might be worth it. But is it really necessary to have a very expensive door?

Luol Deng might be overpaid. Josh Smith might be overpaid. Joe Johnson might be overpaid. But all of these overpaid players would benefit the team or most of the teams more than Iggy and his fair contract.

Just my two cents. 

That's the double standard I don't get.

Hindsight, that offseason I would not have persue Elton Brand and kept the cap space (since there aren't any other players worth getting that off season). The problem was, after signing Iguodala and Brand, our top 3 were them + Dalembert based on the contracts. That's just asking for mediocrity, and it is completely on Stefanski. He took a major gamble on Brand, hoping the injury he suffer would not affect his game and in fear of the fans going after him for standing pat.

Both Brand and Iguodala played hurt and don't complain or whine about it.

Both of them have great work ethic towards the game.

Both are recognize for their level of impact in the ball game.

Yet Brand rarely gets any criticism for his game. Why? Because besides him, we have no one else in the front court besides a bunch of role players/scrubs. Therefore, his presence in the game is completely magnify in comparison to Iguodala's game. As highlighted by many others, Iguodala manages to deter the performance of a lot of the league's top wings. I cannot agree with posters here thinking role players like Selofosha, Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, etc could easily replace Iguodala's defense. While players like Shawn Marion or Luol Deng may appear to do a better job, because their roster plays much better defense overall.

I am not against the idea of trading Iguodala, because unless Turner develops into the scorer we want him to be, the team as constructed will go nowhere. Mind you, I don't think we should tank unless we expect a strong draft in the following year. Tanking while getting no Lebrons in return is pointless in my opinion. I would prefer we stay competitve and not play Eddie Jordan basketball in the meantime but that's just me.