2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[Brauer]

After the top 4, the rest of the players are kind of in the same tier. Malik Monk is just too good of a fit with our team and will most likely be a Sixer. It's been clear for a while now given how good of a fit Monk is with Simmons. He is likely the 5th best player in our board, behind Fultz, Ball, Jackson and Tatum. Fultz is honestly the dream player for us though, given his ability to play both on and off ball. Ball/Simmons can be amazing under the right system, but bad if not utilized correctly. Tatum is a pretty good fit overall and I trust his ability to become a really good shooter. Jackson provides us with some great wing defense but I am worried about his fit on offense with Simmons, since neither can really shoot well.

My big board, balancing team needs and BPA, is as follows:
1) Fultz
2) Ball
3) Tatum
4) Jackson
5) Monk
6) Markannen
7) Isaac
8) Smith
9) Fox

I am very high on Fox, but not for the Sixers. He is just an atrocious fit. This applies to Smith too. Markannen can play as a stretch-4 with Simmons at the 3, and Embiid at the 5, which would give us tremendous size. Need to see just how athletic he actually is at the combine. Him and Isaac are my greatest question marks.

[Negrodamus]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19024163/lonzo-ball-says-better-fellow-nba-draft-prospect-markelle-fultz

He does run an offense better than Fultz. Fultz is a better scorer, has stronger frame, a normal looking shot, etc. Ball directs where players should be on the court very, very well. Plays within the offense, unlike Fultz. They couldn't be more different on offense.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

Link please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5sVxq-oQ0RaPEU8kG1XUQOLgOLfKZAu-&params=OAFIAVgG&v=E6M_Ux76NWI&mode=NORMAL&app=desktop

6:50 it starts

He mentions that he's looking at shooting specifically for this ball club. He goes on to mention things about release point and how the player get's his shot so you would think that would be bad news for Ballboys. Whole thing I got from this is unless we pick first we're getting Malik Monk.

[Kobblehead]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

[the_process]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

Link please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5sVxq-oQ0RaPEU8kG1XUQOLgOLfKZAu-&params=OAFIAVgG&v=E6M_Ux76NWI&mode=NORMAL&app=desktop

6:50 it starts

He mentions that he's looking at shooting specifically for this ball club. He goes on to mention things about release point and how the player get's his shot so you would think that would be bad news for Ballboys. Whole thing I got from this is unless we pick first we're getting Malik Monk.

If the Sixers are going to take Monk, let's just trade for Booker or LaVine instead.

They may be closer to getting paid and cost extra assets... but at least I know they can fill the role that the Sixers are apparently looking for.

[PhilasFinest]

Link please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5sVxq-oQ0RaPEU8kG1XUQOLgOLfKZAu-&params=OAFIAVgG&v=E6M_Ux76NWI&mode=NORMAL&app=desktop

6:50 it starts

He mentions that he's looking at shooting specifically for this ball club. He goes on to mention things about release point and how the player get's his shot so you would think that would be bad news for Ballboys. Whole thing I got from this is unless we pick first we're getting Malik Monk.

If the Sixers are going to take Monk, let's just trade for Booker or LaVine instead.

They may be closer to getting paid and cost extra assets... but at least I know they can fill the role that the Sixers are apparently looking for.

I really don't think the Suns are looking to move Booker.

LaVine is recovering from a serious injury, don't think were trading for him either.

[Unbreakable99]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

What did he say?

[Unbreakable99]

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

Im not knocking Ntilikina because he didn't play in the NCAA....Im just not high on him from what I've seen/watched.

He doesn't seem to be an explosive/quick twitch athlete, His shot seems streaky, His distributing/passing doesn't jump off the charts, he doesn't seem all that quick and his handle does not look to be all that impressive either.

Obviously, I can see why some would be intrigued with him. The size/length/age certainly gives you a set of tools to work with and develop, I simply do not see a player worthy of a top 10 pick. I think he's a project and is way too much "Dante Exum" like to me.

He is a slow SG, being packaged as a big PG, in order to get drafted higher. He has all of the same red flags as Exum but isnt as good as Exum because he isn't nearly as fast or quick. He's not quick enough and doesn't have the handle to be considered a high level NBA PG prospect. I hope the 76ers aren't the team in the lottery that falls for this nonsense.

Yeah. After I inquired about him a few months ago and you said you didn't like him I watched some footage of him. I didn't like his speed. He's not explosive. Very deliberate. Nothing popped out. He's getting propped up because he didn't play in college and the unknown causes other to think another player like him is better than other college players because we see all the flaws in college players and have little film to find flaws in Frank. He has some good qualities but I'd rather pass on him.

[Unbreakable99]

Like I said. Reality show.

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[Unbreakable99]

Fultz didn't appreciate Ball's comment lol.

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[LloydFree]

Fultz didn't appreciate Ball's comment lol.

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Well Fultz has had a lot of time on his hands for checking social media, since he got tired of getting beat by 30 every game and quit playing at the end of the season.

[Unbreakable99]

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[TheAntiTrump]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

[Unbreakable99]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

Do you have any clips to show his quickness? I haven't seen any. I don't see a quick twitch athlete. No explosion. I'm always open for proof otherwise though.

[phiphan]

Quoting nbadraft.net is not gonna win you any arguments. Frank doesn't have a quick first step. Just gotta watch him play.

[TheAntiTrump]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

Do you have any clips to show his quickness? I haven't seen any. I don't see a quick twitch athlete. No explosion. I'm always open for proof otherwise though.

Last time I checked...you are not a professional scout. The people at NBADraft.net, and DX have over 50 years scouting experience. I an sorry but I will take their word over the 5 minutes of video that you have watched.

[PhilasFinest]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

1.NBADraft.net is an awful source for information.(They once said DeShawn Stevenson was the next MJ)

2.Go watch all his highlights/games available online. Let me know how many times you see him explode off a dribble and finish by a defender or break his man down 1-1

Like I said, I see some of the intrigue with him, But personally I wouldn't touch him with a top 10 pick.

[TheAntiTrump]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

1.NBADraft.net is an awful source for information.(They once said DeShawn Stevenson was the next MJ)

2.Go watch all his highlights/games available online. Let me know how many times you see him explode off a dribble and finish by a defender or break his man down 1-1

Like I said, I see some of the intrigue with him, But personally I wouldn't touch him with a top 10 pick.

Look, it does not matter what you think, or what I think. In the end the proof will be in the pudding. In other words, what he shows in his individual workouts and in his Physical tests. But remember, smarts are always more important then supreme Athleticism. Smarts ( High B-ball IQ always wins out ) I don't know how he will turn out. But I do know that you, nor anyone else can definitely guarantee that Ntilikina won't be any worse then Ball-Fultz-Fox, or anyone else.

[LloydFree]

Why is Ntilikina even in this draft? Dude plays 17 minutes a game, scoring 5 ppg and is a 170 pound SG. He won't even be a real prospect for like another two years in the least.

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

1.NBADraft.net is an awful source for information.(They once said DeShawn Stevenson was the next MJ)

2.Go watch all his highlights/games available online. Let me know how many times you see him explode off a dribble and finish by a defender or break his man down 1-1

Like I said, I see some of the intrigue with him, But personally I wouldn't touch him with a top 10 pick.

There are guys that write for both those sites that used to post right here on these same boards and don't know anymore than Kobble or Negrodamus.

[PhilasFinest]

I respect everyone's opinion. But where this Ntilikina is not Athletic and is slow statements are coming from I don't know. The kid is extremely quick and Athletic. From the scouts at NBAdraft.net




NBA Comparison: Dennis Schroder/Gary Payton

Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …[b] A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality[/b] … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … [b]Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire[/b] … [b]Possesses an explosive first step [/b]… Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move … When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice … His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside

1.NBADraft.net is an awful source for information.(They once said DeShawn Stevenson was the next MJ)

2.Go watch all his highlights/games available online. Let me know how many times you see him explode off a dribble and finish by a defender or break his man down 1-1

Like I said, I see some of the intrigue with him, But personally I wouldn't touch him with a top 10 pick.

Look, it does not matter what you think, or what I think. In the end the proof will be in the pudding. In other words, what he shows in his individual workouts and in his Physical tests. But remember, smarts are always more important then supreme Athleticism. Smarts ( High B-ball IQ always wins out ) I don't know how he will turn out. But I do know that you, nor anyone else can definitely guarantee that Ntilikina won't be any worse then Ball-Fultz-Fox, or anyone else.

SO you make a post asking about something, then respond to replies by saying it doesn't matter what you think?

Probably the wrong place to be posting questions then, considering this is a discussion forum.