2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[SelfishPlayer]

What if you are passing up the next MJ?

Tony Parker was taken # 28? The 76ers have

2nd round pick – Knicks (36th overall)
2nd round pick – Mavs (39th)
2nd round pick – Heat (46th)
2nd round pick – Hawks (50th)

And 4 first round picks in the next 2 years.


It's time for BC and his staff to do some work and stop relying on Mr. Hinkie to make things easy for them. We have Hinkie to thank for being in a position to draft Ben Simmons. We have Hinkie to thank for being in the #3 position in this draft. Let's thank BC for finding a diamond in the rough at PG if that is what this team needs.

And this is all speculation on my part. But if Ball does not have a killer workout, say he goes head to head with Fox and Fox kills him, and Jackson comes in and kills it in his workout for LA. All possibilities. Magic could easily choose Jackson. And then Ball is there for the 76ers...father and all!

What wing(s) in this draft could potentially be the next MJ?

How many PGs drafted in the 2nd round within the last 15 years have become an All Star? I'll start you off, Isaiah Thomas...

Jackson might have MJ potential. These kids are so raw, you don't know what you are getting when you draft them.

So you ask a question, set the parameters to prove a point. That's not how it's done.

It seems like you are advocating taking Fox, which all the mock drafts and people who know a lot more about basketball than I do, say is a reach. So why are you willing to reach for Fox?

I listed the assets to show we have enough to make something happen.

BC first job was sorting out the logjam at center. His second job is to not mess up this draft and get us the help that is needed, via trade or draft to fill out the roster effectively.

One thing that Kawhi Leonard, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Scottie Pippen and Dr J all have in common is freakishly long arms which Josh Jackson does not have. If you are looking for him to reach his maximum potential and think that it will look anything like those guys, you are mistaken. I think that his ceiling will look something like a better Stephen Jackson.

[the_process]

I also think that BC probably likes Isaac the most out of the guys who should be available at 3. And if that's the case, he should be working with SAC on a 3 + something for 5 & 10 deal.

[the_process]

I hear you but this isn't the draft to do it. Give it this year and if he only plays 31 games again then I might be able to be talked into drafting a Center next year in a big man draft. I still think I would be against drafting a Center first next year but it would make more sense.

Timing it this year could be pretty proactive and shrewd. And allow you to move Holmes at higher value with a team controlled 2 years left on his contract.

It would not be a popular move in the slightest, but hitting the ground running with a 21 year old Zach Collins in 2018-2019 as your starting C instead of a 19 year old from the 2018 draft might/could/maybe be the better play.

I love this move, and it's part of the reason why I think trading back with SAC for 5 and 10 is such a good idea. Final year of rookie deal, Embiid contingency needs to be in place since BC unceremoniously dumped Noel.

I also agree with Holmes ultimately being trade bait, not an Embiid contingency.

It's too far ahead of the curve, though, for 90% or more of fans to get behind.

[cksdayoff]

this guy needs to be a sixer

Watch on YouTube

[Kobblehead]

His legs are too frail to be adding all that upperbody bulk.

[Eyeamok]

this guy needs to be a sixer

Watch on YouTube

This guy is a sixer. And he makes it rain.

Watch on YouTube

Notice turtle has been replaced by technology. Sad sad day.

[smittybanton]

I also think that BC probably likes Isaac the most out of the guys who should be available at 3. And if that's the case, he should be working with SAC on a 3 + something for 5 & 10 deal.

If the Kings want to move up for a small forward, then they're banking on a point guard at #10. To take both picks from the Kings, Sixers are going to have to be willing to part with TJ McConnell, I think. I imagine Brett Brown and BC having differing views about that. Lol.

OT: I believe BC generated the rumor about Cleveland's interest in TJ, trying to get Kay Felder or something. With BC track record of discounting defense, I'll not be surprised if they move him while his contract has value.

[eagereyez]

this guy needs to be a sixer

Watch on YouTube

This guy is a sixer. And he makes it rain.

Watch on YouTube

Notice turtle has been replaced by technology. Sad sad day.

Automation takes another job.

[Unbreakable99]

Are there any advance analytic stats on Fultz and Jackson and Ball and Isaac and Fox and Ball and DSJ and Tatum etc. Pretty much are there any stats out there that project them on the next level?

[JojoSlimbiid]

Mitchell's DX is out, some decent analysis on him. Kind of a shame we don't really have a chance to get him. He would def be a candidate @ 10 if we were to pull that Kings swap down. Something like Issac and Mitchell would be a nice haul.

[Mik317]

Mitchell's DX is out, some decent analysis on him. Kind of a shame we don't really have a chance to get him. He would def be a candidate @ 10 if we were to pull that Kings swap down. Something like Issac and Mitchell would be a nice haul.

if we trade down with the kings, I can almost guarantee it would be to get Monk.

Just letting yall know.

[the_process]

Mitchell's DX is out, some decent analysis on him. Kind of a shame we don't really have a chance to get him. He would def be a candidate @ 10 if we were to pull that Kings swap down. Something like Issac and Mitchell would be a nice haul.

if we trade down with the kings, I can almost guarantee it would be to get Monk.

Just letting yall know.

Monk at 10, while bad, would be infinitely better than Monk at 3.

[the_process]

I also think that BC probably likes Isaac the most out of the guys who should be available at 3. And if that's the case, he should be working with SAC on a 3 + something for 5 & 10 deal.

If the Kings want to move up for a small forward, then they're banking on a point guard at #10. To take both picks from the Kings, Sixers are going to have to be willing to part with TJ McConnell, I think. I imagine Brett Brown and BC having differing views about that. Lol.

OT: I believe BC generated the rumor about Cleveland's interest in TJ, trying to get Kay Felder or something. With BC track record of discounting defense, I'll not be surprised if they move him while his contract has value.

Bye, TJ. Take Jah with you.

[smittybanton]

Mitchell's DX is out, some decent analysis on him. Kind of a shame we don't really have a chance to get him. He would def be a candidate @ 10 if we were to pull that Kings swap down. Something like Issac and Mitchell would be a nice haul.

if we trade down with the kings, I can almost guarantee it would be to get Monk.

Just letting yall know.

Monk at 10, while bad, would be infinitely better than Monk at 3.

Interesting. Josh Jackson for Jonathan Isaac & Malik Monk. Helluva choice for me. Not for BC though. I think he bongs that. I could support it.

[76ciology]

Let me tell you why Tatum likes ISO. He's slow in moving off ball. That the smaller NCAA defenders would be able to chase him. He needs that extra separation with his iso moves. It's probably OK if you are have the elite length of Kevin Durant with his magical strides and shooting and yet I think KD moves quicker than him.

Think of why Okafor struggles on PnR and likes ISO.

[sunsbg]

Suns are in a pretty enviable position where, if things go as predicted, you just scoop whichever of Jackson or Tatum remains. However, I think the Kings and Magic may try to trade ahead of y'all to get the small forward of their choice. Come up off that Tyler Ulis and you can move up one slot and take the guy you really want.
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[Notwithstanding all of the above, I predicted Bryan Colangelo would get rid of Jerami Grant and Nerlens Noel as soon as he could, and I predict he likes Tatum better than Jackson, and perhaps Isaac better than both.]

Well, I'm sure all Suns fans would prefer the 2nd pick where we were slotted before the lottery I just posted on the Suns board that there should be a rule, which prevents teams like 76ers that won the lottery in recent years jump up in front of a team that didn't had such high pick. It's just not fair.

Anyway, there is a decent chance your FO trades the pick to move down and gain another asset in the process. I doubt Suns trade Ulis after the way he played later in the season just to move a spot up. It's more likely there is a trade involving Bledsoe. 4th pick + Bledsoe for 3rd pick + ???

[LloydFree]

See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.

[sunsbg]

See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.

It's not such a great drop-off actually. It's just that from outside Jackson doesn't look like a good fit on your team. But looks like most of you think otherwise, so maybe I'm wrong. Also all Suns fans know that Colangelos value character, which could be an issue with Jackson. I would never trade Ulis + Tatum for him based on what I have seen so far.

[Unbreakable99]

See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.

It's not such a great drop-off actually. It's just that from outside Jackson doesn't look like a good fit on your team. But looks like most of you think otherwise, so maybe I'm wrong. Also all Suns fans know that Colangelos value character, which could be an issue with Jackson. I would never trade Ulis + Tatum for him based on what I have seen so far.

I'm open to moving back but it woukd take a lot. I like Jackson and would just take him or Ball. It's that simple but like Ted DiBiase says, everybody's got a price. I wouldn't want to trade bad kids unless I can parlay that into getting 2 picks in the top 10. Get a 3rd team involved. Oh and we would still need Bledoes as well. If you do that I MIGHT think about it. I still may say no. But I'll think harder.

[smittybanton]

Suns are in a pretty enviable position where, if things go as predicted, you just scoop whichever of Jackson or Tatum remains. However, I think the Kings and Magic may try to trade ahead of y'all to get the small forward of their choice. Come up off that Tyler Ulis and you can move up one slot and take the guy you really want.
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[Notwithstanding all of the above, I predicted Bryan Colangelo would get rid of Jerami Grant and Nerlens Noel as soon as he could, and I predict he likes Tatum better than Jackson, and perhaps Isaac better than both.]

Well, I'm sure all Suns fans would prefer the 2nd pick where we were slotted before the lottery I just posted on the Suns board that there should be a rule, which prevents teams like 76ers that won the lottery in recent years jump up in front of a team that didn't had such high pick. It's just not fair.

Anyway, there is a decent chance your FO trades the pick to move down and gain another asset in the process. I doubt Suns trade Ulis after the way he played later in the season just to move a spot up. It's more likely there is a trade involving Bledsoe. 4th pick + Bledsoe for 3rd pick + ???