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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1681 » by Ericb5 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:53 am

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Ericb5 wrote:Embiid last year deserved it legitimately, but didn’t make it. Simmons is not as good as Embiid was last year.

However, I’m a huge Simmons fan and he will be a perennial all star probably starting next year, or at the worst, the year after.

I think that the league has figured out how to play him right now since he can’t hit a jump shot. He is an all star in all other respects.

In the off-season I wan him to go hard on making 15-18 ft jumpers, and improving his free throws. I would again forget the 3 point shot in the off-season. He is a few years away from being able to hit that shot.

If they are going to switch his shooting hands then they should do it this summer. It may set his shooting progress back a year, but I think it will raise his eventual shooting potential.


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I don't think it's fair to compare Simmons to Embiid last year when deciding if he's an all star. He needs to be better than his PG peers for that honor.


True.

I’m just talking about “deserve” as in playing at an all star level as we traditionally think of it.


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1682 » by PLO » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:59 am

TBH I don't think he merits an all-star gig this year, at least he's in the conversation though which is an outstanding outcome for a rookie.
LakersDynasty14 wrote:Lonzo Ball is literally on a Hall of Fame trajectory at this point. This thread is so full of fail.


shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1683 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 am

I for the life of me don't understand someone with a decent looking shot I mean it's not text book but it's far from the worst shooting so many air balls.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1684 » by PLO » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 am

spikeslovechild wrote:I for the life of me don't understand someone with a decent looking shot I mean it's not text book but it's far from the worst shooting so many air balls.


I'm no shot-doctor but his lower body is all over the place - he was actually worse earlier in the season in terms of this but he's still out of control going into his shot off the dribble. Sometimes there's so much movement he's lucky to hit the rim TBH.
LakersDynasty14 wrote:Lonzo Ball is literally on a Hall of Fame trajectory at this point. This thread is so full of fail.


shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1685 » by vossy_3 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:18 am

spikeslovechild wrote:I for the life of me don't understand someone with a decent looking shot I mean it's not text book but it's far from the worst shooting so many air balls.


His form isn’t too bad at all.

Ginobili and Beasley look similar and it works.

It just looks like he doesn’t really set himself when taking shots and it looks a little rushed.

If you look at his turnaround jumpshot from the post against Boston in the London game it looked nice, he was under control and was a good smooth action.

With more experience and composure he’ll start knocking them down.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1686 » by PLO » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:30 am

I for one hope he really thinks about changing shooting hand in the off-season. It would be a massive shift for him but I hope he at least explores the possibility. Tristan Thompson did the same thing and he has the same management so he would have someone to talk too about it if he goes that way.
LakersDynasty14 wrote:Lonzo Ball is literally on a Hall of Fame trajectory at this point. This thread is so full of fail.


shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1687 » by Simmons25 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:34 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:I for the life of me don't understand someone with a decent looking shot I mean it's not text book but it's far from the worst shooting so many air balls.


His form isn’t too bad at all.

Ginobili and Beasley look similar and it works.

It just looks like he doesn’t really set himself when taking shots and it looks a little rushed.

If you look at his turnaround jumpshot from the post against Boston in the London game it looked nice, he was under control and was a good smooth action.

With more experience and composure he’ll start knocking them down.


Don't agree whatsoever that repetition is the fix. He has technical flaws all over the place.

His left hand is not in the right position when shooting the ball... its on the side of the ball... which means instead of imparting backspin he imparts side spin which is why so many of his shots rim out left and right. It's also not in the right place under the ball so he shoots it long or short.

His shoulders are hardly ever squared to the rim when he shoots... so his lower body fights to maintain balance... which is why he often spreads his legs out when shooting. It's his body trying to fix itself. Very poor and the main reason for the next issue.

He shoots the ball on the way down instead of on the way up the way he should ala Steph Curry. That's why he can't shoot accurately at distance. Try throwing a javelin with forward moment and then see if you can throw a javelin the same distance whilst running backwards. It's impossible. You don't have enough power from your lower body so you have to use more upper body and arms to get strength in the shot... which means you cannot possible be accurate.

I will give Simmons his due though. He did fix one issue he had at LSU and that was the ball position at release. At LSU he used to have it catapult from almost behind his head. He doesn't do that anymore. He still has a lot to work on.

His show now is nothing compared to 6 months ago when he was in open gyms and focussing on his ball position and release. You can see below the ball release is almost perfect... the hand position and follow through is perfect and he is shooting the ball on the way up and releasing it at the apex. His legs also don't kick out like they do when he shoots jumpers in games this year and he isn't taking fall away jumpers. He CAN shoot well technically... but is a million miles away from shooting this way in games this year. He has gone back to his old habits.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1688 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:09 pm

Well, as proven in that video, he can really shoot it well if he wants to, the thing is, he is faking his shot to make it seem like he can't shoot, he is saving his shot for playoffs so other teams will have no answer and previous scouting will be useless.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1689 » by theo42 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:46 pm

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vossy_3 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:I for the life of me don't understand someone with a decent looking shot I mean it's not text book but it's far from the worst shooting so many air balls.


His form isn’t too bad at all.

Ginobili and Beasley look similar and it works.

It just looks like he doesn’t really set himself when taking shots and it looks a little rushed.

If you look at his turnaround jumpshot from the post against Boston in the London game it looked nice, he was under control and was a good smooth action.

With more experience and composure he’ll start knocking them down.


Don't agree whatsoever that repetition is the fix. He has technical flaws all over the place.

His left hand is not in the right position when shooting the ball... its on the side of the ball... which means instead of imparting backspin he imparts side spin which is why so many of his shots rim out left and right. It's also not in the right place under the ball so he shoots it long or short.

His shoulders are hardly ever squared to the rim when he shoots... so his lower body fights to maintain balance... which is why he often spreads his legs out when shooting. It's his body trying to fix itself. Very poor and the main reason for the next issue.

He shoots the ball on the way down instead of on the way up the way he should ala Steph Curry. That's why he can't shoot accurately at distance. Try throwing a javelin with forward moment and then see if you can throw a javelin the same distance whilst running backwards. It's impossible. You don't have enough power from your lower body so you have to use more upper body and arms to get strength in the shot... which means you cannot possible be accurate.

I will give Simmons his due though. He did fix one issue he had at LSU and that was the ball position at release. At LSU he used to have it catapult from almost behind his head. He doesn't do that anymore. He still has a lot to work on.

His show now is nothing compared to 6 months ago when he was in open gyms and focussing on his ball position and release. You can see below the ball release is almost perfect... the hand position and follow through is perfect and he is shooting the ball on the way up and releasing it at the apex. His legs also don't kick out like they do when he shoots jumpers in games this year and he isn't taking fall away jumpers. He CAN shoot well technically... but is a million miles away from shooting this way in games this year. He has gone back to his old habits.


I don't understand how he goes from that video to not attempting a single real three all year. Only the sixers...lol

Between Simmons and now Fultz...just shake my head.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1690 » by 76ciology » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:03 pm

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1691 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:28 pm

He needs to be able to shoot, that much is obvious, certain teams have the right personnel/team defense to not allow him to just power his way to the rim. Doesn't need to be a 3pt shot, just a good midrange shot.
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Post#1692 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:53 pm

We'd probably take the ball out of his hands as much, especially in halfcourt situations, if we had our #1 overall pick.
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Post#1693 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:50 pm

He didn't make the all-star team and I'm glad because he didn't deserve it.
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Post#1694 » by LordCovington33 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:08 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:He didn't make the all-star team and I'm glad because he didn't deserve it.

100% with you. Cannot fathom how Washington got two All Stars though.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1695 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:51 am

Negrodamus wrote:We'd probably take the ball out of his hands as much, especially in halfcourt situations, if we had our #1 overall pick.


He needs to start next season as secondary ballhandler/do-it-all point forward. I just can't see him running a high scoring offense TBH. He could be a super Draymond Green without the shot for us. Fultz should be our starting PG IMO.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1696 » by nurseryc » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:27 am

Agree, he wasn’t good enough or deserved of all star selection in his rookie year. Simmons must learn how to shoot or he will learn how to ride the pine
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1697 » by nurseryc » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:30 am

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Negrodamus wrote:We'd probably take the ball out of his hands as much, especially in halfcourt situations, if we had our #1 overall pick.


He needs to start next season as secondary ballhandler/do-it-all point forward. I just can't see him running a high scoring offense TBH. He could be a super Draymond Green without the shot for us. Fultz should be our starting PG IMO.

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We need a point guard that’s capable of getting Simmons the ball in scoring situations. We currently have nobody on our current roster that is able to hit Simmons when he is free and in great position to score. I’d be happy to see the point guard role taken out of Simmons hands a bit so it would then free him up to get open looks and be deadly around the basket
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1698 » by 76ciology » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:25 am

nurseryc wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:We'd probably take the ball out of his hands as much, especially in halfcourt situations, if we had our #1 overall pick.


He needs to start next season as secondary ballhandler/do-it-all point forward. I just can't see him running a high scoring offense TBH. He could be a super Draymond Green without the shot for us. Fultz should be our starting PG IMO.

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We need a point guard that’s capable of getting Simmons the ball in scoring situations. We currently have nobody on our current roster that is able to hit Simmons when he is free and in great position to score. I’d be happy to see the point guard role taken out of Simmons hands a bit so it would then free him up to get open looks and be deadly around the basket


Remember back then when we had a bunch of average players.. when we face the Clipps, they just looked too big and athletic that our short and average at best athleticism players can’t match?

I think thats what we should do to optimize what we have. Put Biid and Ben in scoring situations similar to BG and DeAndre, relentlessly. Both Biid and Ben have combination of length and athleticism that only few can match.

Opponents will then choose to pick their poison.
-Fultz mid range pull-up
-Ben rolling to the basket
-Lobs for Biid
-Shooters spacing the floor
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1699 » by Bum Adebayo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:57 am

Embiid being athletic is old news, it has to be said. Simmons to Blake athletic comparison makes sense, but DAJ is way more athletic than Embiid, like it is not even close, Embiid is not the athlete he was at Kansas, heck he is not even the athlete he was last season, the reason being either out of shape or his meniscus injury. He is not a consistent lob threat IMO.
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Post#1700 » by 76ciology » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:59 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Embiid being athletic is old news, it has to be said. Simmons to Blake athletic comparison makes sense, but DAJ is way more athletic than Embiid, like it is not even close, Embiid is not the athlete he was at Kansas, heck he is not even the athlete he was last season, the reason being either out of shape or his meniscus injury. He is not a consistent lob threat IMO.

Then just let him finish around the rim off a drop pass or space the floor. Then be a go to guy down the stretch.
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