Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[sixers hoops]

Anyone would be frustrated and annoyed when one of the most talented players I've ever seen in Ben Simmons refuses to put in the work to improve and just plays video games and collects paychecks.

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

Yeah. It’s not difficult to understand. Hard work get you into peak physical condition, which Ben does year-after-year. When developing a skill, you need to work effectively, which Ben doesn’t do. He likely puts time in the gym, but he is not improving. You can spend countless hours shooting a basketball, hitting a baseball, hitting a golfball, but if you don’t practice correctly, the hard work won’t yield results. I’m sure Ben tries to improve his shooting, it just isn’t working.

[the_process]

Simmons, 2022 1st, 2024 1st to CHI
Harris, 2026 1st, and 2028 1st to OKC
LaVine, Jones Jr., Favors, and 2025 1st returned to PHI

I realize Favors and Embiid won't work, so start them both but limit their minutes together and play smaller lineups. This keeps Drummond mostly off the floor except in those games where Jo sits out. Next opportunity, snag a stretch 4.

LaVine 32/Maxey 24/Milton
Green 28/Curry 28/Springer
Korkmaz 24/Thybulle 24/Joe
Favors 24/Niang 16/Reed
Embiid 30/Drummond 10/Bassey

[Kobblehead]

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

He puts in work to maintain his aesthetic. So he basically works as hard as the AVERAGE social media influencer. Congrats to Ben for working as hard as Logan Paul.

What he's saying is he refuses to put in the work to improve his game. Which is why he hasn't made the leap from role player to star player. Which is why a handful of dudes in his own draft class have leapt him and there are handfuls of dudes entering the draft each year that have left him in the dust.

[Stanford]

He ain't that shredded

[76ciology]

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[K3nny Pow3rs]

Anyone would be frustrated and annoyed when one of the most talented players I've ever seen in Ben Simmons refuses to put in the work to improve and just plays video games and collects paychecks.

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

Yeah. It’s not difficult to understand. Hard work get you into peak physical condition, which Ben does year-after-year. When developing a skill, you need to work effectively, which Ben doesn’t do. He likely puts time in the gym, but he is not improving. You can spend countless hours shooting a basketball, hitting a baseball, hitting a golfball, but if you don’t practice correctly, the hard work won’t yield results. I’m sure Ben tries to improve his shooting, it just isn’t working.

I wonder if LeBron practices correctly, because he averaged .744 FT for his first 13 years, but less than 70% for the last 5 years....and only .609 in this year's playoffs.

20 ppg seasons from players taken in the 2016 Draft:
Brandon Ingram - 2
Jaylen Brown - 2
Pascal Siakam - 2
Jamal Murray - 1
Buddy Hield - 1
Malcolm Brogdon - 1
Caris LeVert - 1
Domantas Sabonis - 1
Malik Beasley - 1


Ben Simmons - 0

Any of them make All-NBA? Simmons did last year.
Any of them average 14.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 9.2 assists, .640 field in a playoff series? Simmons did this year.

[GutUNC]

Anyone would be frustrated and annoyed when one of the most talented players I've ever seen in Ben Simmons refuses to put in the work to improve and just plays video games and collects paychecks.

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

He's not going to (bleep) you.

I consider myself far more of a Simmons moderate then most, but to defend him putting in work to make himself the best player possible is laughable at this point.

[Stanford]

I wonder if LeBron practices correctly

i think he probably does

[Kobblehead]

20 ppg seasons from players taken in the 2016 Draft:
Brandon Ingram - 2
Jaylen Brown - 2
Pascal Siakam - 2
Jamal Murray - 1
Buddy Hield - 1
Malcolm Brogdon - 1
Caris LeVert - 1
Domantas Sabonis - 1
Malik Beasley - 1


Ben Simmons - 0

[sixers hoops]

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

Yeah. It’s not difficult to understand. Hard work get you into peak physical condition, which Ben does year-after-year. When developing a skill, you need to work effectively, which Ben doesn’t do. He likely puts time in the gym, but he is not improving. You can spend countless hours shooting a basketball, hitting a baseball, hitting a golfball, but if you don’t practice correctly, the hard work won’t yield results. I’m sure Ben tries to improve his shooting, it just isn’t working.

I wonder if LeBron practices correctly, because he averaged .744 FT for his first 13 years, but less than 70% for the last 5 years....and only .609 in this year's playoffs.

Again, I don’t think it’s that complicated if you understand skill development vs skill refinement. Ben has a bad shot that he is trying to improve with shooting coaches, so creating a new shot and using repetition to reinforce the new muscle memory is how new skills are developed.

Now you wonder if Lebron is practicing correctly, so ask yourself what is Lebron likely doing at practice in regards to his free throw, and the most likely answer is putting up reps. However, it is highly unlikely that Lebron is tweaking his shooting techniques very much late in his career. If you consider that Lebron is prob approaching top 5 all-time in minutes played, and playing two extra months every season for a decade, I don’t find it shocking that his FT% goes from 74 to 70. Players in there 30s get fatigued more easily, and percentages often do decline later in their career.

[sixers hoops]

He ain't that shredded

Ben looks like he is in pretty elite shape. I don’t know how much of it is genetics or if he hits the weights much, but he can easily chase the other team’s best player around for an entire game, and his cardio has never been a concern.

[Iverson Armband]

He ain't that shredded

Ben looks like he is in pretty elite shape. I don’t know how much of it is genetics or if he hits the weights much, but he can easily chase the other team’s best player around for an entire game, and his cardio has never been a concern.

David Robinson was shredded. Ben is in good shape but he’s not shredded.

[syntax]

20 ppg seasons from players taken in the 2016 Draft:
Brandon Ingram - 2
Jaylen Brown - 2
Pascal Siakam - 2
Jamal Murray - 1
Buddy Hield - 1
Malcolm Brogdon - 1
Caris LeVert - 1
Domantas Sabonis - 1
Malik Beasley - 1


Ben Simmons - 0

7+ APG seasons:

Brandon Ingram - 0
Jaylen Brown - 0
Pascal Siakam - 0
Jamal Murray - 0
Buddy Hield - 0
Malcolm Brogdon - 1
Caris LeVert - 0
Domantas Sabonis - 0
Malik Beasley - 0


Ben Simmons - 4

What a fun game.

[syntax]

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

He puts in work to maintain his aesthetic. So he basically works as hard as the AVERAGE social media influencer. Congrats to Ben for working as hard as Logan Paul.

What he's saying is he refuses to put in the work to improve his game. Which is why he hasn't made the leap from role player to star player. Which is why a handful of dudes in his own draft class have leapt him and there are handfuls of dudes entering the draft each year that have left him in the dust.

He's all-star, all-nba and all-nba defense 1st team and runner up DPOY. Some role player.

[Iverson Armband]

Refuses to put in the work and comes into camp as one of the most shredded and athletic players in the NBA, year after year. OK BRO.

He puts in work to maintain his aesthetic. So he basically works as hard as the AVERAGE social media influencer. Congrats to Ben for working as hard as Logan Paul.

What he's saying is he refuses to put in the work to improve his game. Which is why he hasn't made the leap from role player to star player. Which is why a handful of dudes in his own draft class have leapt him and there are handfuls of dudes entering the draft each year that have left him in the dust.

He's all-star, all-nba and all-nba defense 1st team and runner up DPOY. Some role player.

Drummond is a multi year all star and defensive maven, currently playing on a minimum contract.

Besides that, Simmons will NEVER sniff another all-nba team again and you know it. So get it out of your system now, I guess before you’re like Cowboys fans still talking about superbowls from the 90s.

[stormi]

We've gotten to the point of nitpicking Ben's fitness levels omfg. This man has made some of y'all miserable.

[76ciology]

I think that over the years, we were blinded because we see Ben as a “special” player than just a “rare” player.

When you say special, there’s an ambiguity to that term with greatness. Special is more like Steph Curry, Giannis, Embiid or Kevin Durant.Rare is an odd player. Like Boban, Bolbol or IT. I think as a prospect, Ben is more of special than rare. But as a 76er, he is more rare than special.

Other than that, I think his awards and his +/- with Embiid blinded us from seeing this from coming.

If you take all those away, I think we should have seen the redflag coming in the 2018 and 2019 playoff series. Where Celts neutralized him and 2019 was the creation of the “dunker spot ben”.

Then in 2020, we saw that creating a Ben’s world may not be beneficial for Embiid. And there comes the argument that “you dont build a team around your second best player”.

Relative to other players, Ben is a good player. He’s a 24 year old all star. He is not a 6’9” Dejounte Murray.

He’s “rare” on our team.
But he may be “special” on a different team.

So this is why you can both not like him on our team and yet ask a high price in return for Ben.

It’s not because of a Sixers fan’s bias, in wanting more in return for the true value of an asset.

So please, no Dejounte Murray trade offers.

[Ballerhogger]

If a trade is made it will be by end of October . This is going get real ugly . NBAPA and commissioner will be in on this I think . I don’t think Klutch sports is backing down on this one. The 76ers trade value hasn’t gone lower since last rumors. Camp is about to start.

After more thought the blazes will not move on him which was the best offers teams would be willing to give for Ben . There’s no way kings have shot . You want bagely + hield and 1st rounder ? That’s most you would get from them. The wovles won’t part with dlo. So your looking at low ball offers of Beasley + first rounder.

[76ciology]

If a trade is made it will be by end of October . This is going get real ugly . NBAPA and commissioner will be in on this I think . I don’t think Klutch sports is backing down on this one. The 76ers trade value hasn’t gone lower since last rumors. Camp is about to start

Maybe by end of october 2021 or end of october 2022.

Most are just in waiting mode.

[Ballerhogger]

If a trade whais made it will be by end of October . This is going get real ugly . NBAPA and commissioner will be in on this I think . I don’t think Klutch sports is backing down on this one. The 76ers trade value hasn’t gone lower since last rumors. Camp is about to start

Maybe by end of october 2021 or end of october 2022.

Most are just in waiting mode.

What would his value be after a whole year later ?