76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[Kobblehead]

I'm starting to think my main hold ups with Jeremi Grant are my initial impressions of him offensively and the sticker shock of his new deal.

If I could somehow delete my preconceived notions (although it may be reversed defensively)... He's an athletic forward with 7'3" wingspan that, over the last season and a half, is taking nearly 6 3PA per game at over 40%, averages over 20 ppg, and gets to the line.

The shooting development has been pretty crazy. If he can get back to being a plus defender (I don't see much reason he shouldn't with less usage/being on a winning team), he fills in a lot of gaps between Maxey and Embiid at a fairly high level

Yup, Grant has always been the most logical trade target outside of Anunoby, to me.

We have our G, we have our C. We need a F, now.

Grant can score, shoot, defend. He's athletic as hell. He's mature, seasoned, and experienced. He can defend the Boston wings. He'd be a great story coming back to Philly.

It all makes the most sense.

[eyeatoma]

Joel can be stubborn but from my understanding teammates love him. He got along with basically everyone except for Ben.

I want him to lead, not just get along. Havent' heard much on the former

Which leads me to the question, is Joel capable of following? Name a player he would?

Jimmy...

[Skates]

The sticker shock on Grant’s deal is deceptive because the rising cap numbers are making deals like that look very reasonable compared to what guys hitting FA will demand and get paid. I do worry about the later years since he has been athleticism dependent, that’s where those last couple of years could hurt.

Tobi’s deal was way worse as a percentage of the existing cap, but we did get his athletic prime years.

[GutUNC]

I'm starting to think my main hold ups with Jeremi Grant are my initial impressions of him offensively and the sticker shock of his new deal.

If I could somehow delete my preconceived notions (although it may be reversed defensively)... He's an athletic forward with 7'3" wingspan that, over the last season and a half, is taking nearly 6 3PA per game at over 40%, averages over 20 ppg, and gets to the line.

The shooting development has been pretty crazy. If he can get back to being a plus defender (I don't see much reason he shouldn't with less usage/being on a winning team), he fills in a lot of gaps between Maxey and Embiid at a fairly high level

Counterpoint: He's a 1-trick pony who puts us right back in to the graveyard of having a Tobias Harris contract around our necks for 4 years. And the Blazers just signed him, so they'll think they should get assets to move him.

[youngcrev]

I'm starting to think my main hold ups with Jeremi Grant are my initial impressions of him offensively and the sticker shock of his new deal.

If I could somehow delete my preconceived notions (although it may be reversed defensively)... He's an athletic forward with 7'3" wingspan that, over the last season and a half, is taking nearly 6 3PA per game at over 40%, averages over 20 ppg, and gets to the line.

The shooting development has been pretty crazy. If he can get back to being a plus defender (I don't see much reason he shouldn't with less usage/being on a winning team), he fills in a lot of gaps between Maxey and Embiid at a fairly high level

Counterpoint: He's a 1-trick pony who puts us right back in to the graveyard of having a Tobias Harris contract around our necks for 4 years. And the Blazers just signed him, so they'll think they should get assets to move him.

What's his one trick? Outside of rebounding, he seems pretty well rounded at this point to me.

[Negrodamus]

What is Jerami bringing that Cov, Batum, and Morris don’t? You can also lump Oubre in there since they all serve as forwards who stretch the floor. Our main issue is not having a guy who can get his own (or get others their) basket off the dribble. Maxey is serving as that guy but he’s not really good at it, particularly when Embiid is out.

[Iverson Armband]

I keep going back to DeJounte Murray when you factor in shot creation, passing ability and contract.

[Kobblehead]

What is Jerami bringing that Cov, Batum, and Morris don’t? You can also lump Oubre in there since they all serve as forwards who stretch the floor. Our main issue is not having a guy who can get his own (or get others their) basket off the dribble. Maxey is serving as that guy but he’s not really good at it, particularly when Embiid is out.

Grant has the bounce and athleticism that Cov, Batum, and Morris no longer have. Which will be ultra important in a playoff series when he has to defend the likes of Tatum.

Oubre has the same bounce and athleticism. So the element that Jerami brings that Kelly doesn't is jumpshot consistency. Also, less prone to boneheadedness.

Grant is a good common ground between having enough self-creation to get his when needed and enough roleplaying aspects to be an assist finisher playing off of our two stars.

[phifans]

Yeah getting Murray+Jerami would be a huge win for us

[Negrodamus]

What is Jerami bringing that Cov, Batum, and Morris don’t? You can also lump Oubre in there since they all serve as forwards who stretch the floor. Our main issue is not having a guy who can get his own (or get others their) basket off the dribble. Maxey is serving as that guy but he’s not really good at it, particularly when Embiid is out.

Grant has the bounce and athleticism that Cov, Batum, and Morris no longer have. Which will be ultra important in a playoff series when he has to defend the likes of Tatum.

Oubre has the same bounce and athleticism. So the element that Jerami brings that Kelly doesn't is jumpshot consistency. Also, less prone to boneheadedness.

Grant is a good common ground between having enough self-creation to get his when needed and enough roleplaying aspects to be an assist finisher playing off of our two stars.

What do we do when they’re blitzing Embiid, Holiday is shutting down Maxey, and Grant’s three isn’t dropping? Somebody has to be able to go to the basket.

[youngcrev]

What is Jerami bringing that Cov, Batum, and Morris don’t? You can also lump Oubre in there since they all serve as forwards who stretch the floor. Our main issue is not having a guy who can get his own (or get others their) basket off the dribble. Maxey is serving as that guy but he’s not really good at it, particularly when Embiid is out.

Grant has the bounce and athleticism that Cov, Batum, and Morris no longer have. Which will be ultra important in a playoff series when he has to defend the likes of Tatum.

Oubre has the same bounce and athleticism. So the element that Jerami brings that Kelly doesn't is jumpshot consistency. Also, less prone to boneheadedness.

Grant is a good common ground between having enough self-creation to get his when needed and enough roleplaying aspects to be an assist finisher playing off of our two stars.

What do we do when they’re blitzing Embiid, Holiday is shutting down Maxey, and Grant’s three isn’t dropping? Somebody has to be able to go to the basket.

It's not like he's just a 3 point shooter. That aspect of his game would probably be the most important in terms of his fit here, but he does plenty of work off the dribble in his current role, and gets to the line over 5 times per game.

Regardless, if we're playing the Celtics and Maxey is getting shut down and Embiid is struggling... What's it matter? You're not finding a guy that's helping you overcome that this year.

[Negrodamus]

Grant has the bounce and athleticism that Cov, Batum, and Morris no longer have. Which will be ultra important in a playoff series when he has to defend the likes of Tatum.

Oubre has the same bounce and athleticism. So the element that Jerami brings that Kelly doesn't is jumpshot consistency. Also, less prone to boneheadedness.

Grant is a good common ground between having enough self-creation to get his when needed and enough roleplaying aspects to be an assist finisher playing off of our two stars.

What do we do when they’re blitzing Embiid, Holiday is shutting down Maxey, and Grant’s three isn’t dropping? Somebody has to be able to go to the basket.

It's not like he's just a 3 point shooter. That aspect of his game would probably be the most important in terms of his fit here, but he does plenty of work off the dribble in his current role, and gets to the line over 5 times per game.

Regardless, if we're playing the Celtics and Maxey is getting shut down and Embiid is struggling... What's it matter? You're not finding a guy that's helping you overcome that this year.

Then don’t do anything. The annual issue is when Embiid’s shot isn’t falling and he’s being taken out of the offense, no one else steps up. If we can’t figure that issue out, then there’s no point in overpaying for Jerami Grant.

[GutUNC]

I'm starting to think my main hold ups with Jeremi Grant are my initial impressions of him offensively and the sticker shock of his new deal.

If I could somehow delete my preconceived notions (although it may be reversed defensively)... He's an athletic forward with 7'3" wingspan that, over the last season and a half, is taking nearly 6 3PA per game at over 40%, averages over 20 ppg, and gets to the line.

The shooting development has been pretty crazy. If he can get back to being a plus defender (I don't see much reason he shouldn't with less usage/being on a winning team), he fills in a lot of gaps between Maxey and Embiid at a fairly high level

Counterpoint: He's a 1-trick pony who puts us right back in to the graveyard of having a Tobias Harris contract around our necks for 4 years. And the Blazers just signed him, so they'll think they should get assets to move him.

What's his one trick? Outside of rebounding, he seems pretty well rounded at this point to me.

Scoring. Certainly a good trick, but he doesn't rebound, doesn't create for others and his defense is becoming more of a story then actual production.

[76ciology]

Can anyone explain why Jerami Grant’s rebounding is alarmingly low for a PF with Ayton or Reath at C? Its not like he’s playing with Andre Drummond or Hartenstein.

3.6rpg at 6TRB% that’s worse than George Niang level rebounding.

Assist % at 10-12%?

He’s basically a PF version of Andrew Wiggins.

He’s OK when Biid is on fire and is attracting double teams and is a monster on the board but what happens when he is a sadboi?

If we’re not preparing for a sadboi Biid in the playoffs then we’re just wasting assets to go round and round.

[76ciology]

What is Jerami bringing that Cov, Batum, and Morris don’t? You can also lump Oubre in there since they all serve as forwards who stretch the floor. Our main issue is not having a guy who can get his own (or get others their) basket off the dribble. Maxey is serving as that guy but he’s not really good at it, particularly when Embiid is out.

Grant has the bounce and athleticism that Cov, Batum, and Morris no longer have. Which will be ultra important in a playoff series when he has to defend the likes of Tatum.

Oubre has the same bounce and athleticism. So the element that Jerami brings that Kelly doesn't is jumpshot consistency. Also, less prone to boneheadedness.

Grant is a good common ground between having enough self-creation to get his when needed and enough roleplaying aspects to be an assist finisher playing off of our two stars.

What do we do when they’re blitzing Embiid, Holiday is shutting down Maxey, and Grant’s three isn’t dropping? Somebody has to be able to go to the basket.

Yes and what if they can play single coverage against Biid and Maxey or what if Biid is shooting poorly that they dont need to send help defense. Celts and the Bucks (hide Dame or take away Maxey’s drive with big 3-4-5) can both do that.

Another recent example was that Jan 6 Knicks game. Let Biid and Maxey get their 50-60pts then cover the rest of the guys.

Another one is do Hawks or Mavs style defense of not fouling Biid by not letting him get to the line. Much better if he starts partying with some fancy dunk. He wont last in the last stages of the game or the series with that much load.

Whatever we do, we need not repeat the same mistakes. We have to counter with an absent or sadboi biid, it might not get us a win but atleast we give ourselves a chance.

[76ciology]

I keep going back to DeJounte Murray when you factor in shot creation, passing ability and contract.

Until you see the plethora of guards of that Celts squad who can reduce him into George Hill.

[elchengue20]

I'll go Murray too over Grant, we need that secondary playmaker and he's good enough defensively as a guard to play next to Maxey.

Contract being nice is algo a good bonus.

[Negrodamus]

I think if we want to swing for a young guy who could break out, my bet would be Jordan Nwora. He was near 20ppg in college with a ton of athleticism and was probably the best shooter at the 3/4 in that draft aside from Saddiq Bey maybe.

Last year, he closed out the season with pretty decent numbers for the Pacer: 13ppg (48% FG, 42% 3FG), 5 rpg, 2 ast (24 gms)

I'm not sure what's happening this year where he's only getting 9 minutes per game, but he feels like a good reclamation project.

[Mik317]

any guy you trade for you are banking on him taking a Oubre like leap due to less responsibilities with Biid and Maxey and just their role in general. However they will also need to be a guy who can get his on less usage as well.

[Haset603]

Of the players that maybe available, they all have their warts.

Murray isn’t quite a good enough shooter and might get bodied against Boston because of his slander frame. However, his playmaking and athleticism would be a much needed addition.

Grant has a lot of great tools. He shoot’s pretty well and can get his own shot and his length defensively is needed here. Just a head scratcher as to why his rebounding is so poor, and his lack of passing would be an issue… I feel like Maxey would be even more lethal if he had someone other than Embiid setting him up for open 3s from time to time.

With all that said, Maybe Kyle Kuzma could be the next “Oubre” for this team. Decent scorer, and playmaker. His defensive rating is above league average and his 3pt percentage could be higher. He is at least a willing shooter and maybe his percentages will increase playing with Maxey and Embiid. Toss in a Delon Wright and the asking price might not be too high.