Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Kirk Van Houten]

lol if the kid sits the entire season with a mental issue I might end up with a mental issue of my own.

If he doesn’t come back before the all star break. They won’t bother playing him second half of the season. I thought he would come back but it’s looking increasingly like he’ll miss the entire season with a case of the yips.


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[Sicnarf]

lol if the kid sits the entire season with a mental issue I might end up with a mental issue of my own.

LOL, that was funny dude... It's really really weird (to say the least) all this Markelle Fultz stuff... But hey, we are the Sixers, nothing related to a high lottery pick rookie catches us by surprise anymore...

[Ericb5]

Wow. I just saw the video for the first time of him shooting the 3 that looks horrible, and it is depressing that it looks so bad.

When people complained about him not playing I always said that there was no point in playing him until his shot was fixed, and that is still the case, but it is depressing that it still looks so bad.

The free throws looked good last time I saw them, but WTF?

The injury messed up the shot, but if the pain is gone now, I would have expected him to be looking more normally by now. It really does seem mental now.

That doesn’t mean mental as in he is weak or whatever. It just means mental as in he is thinking about it too much, and is not able to shoot instinctively.

At least he has progressed to the point where he is shooting again, and hopefully Brown can straighten him out soon.



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[BoomBap]

He is healthy and the only reason we don't play him, is because we are "uncomfortable" with his jumper. I don't know, this feels wrong and I wouldn't be surprised, if Silver jumps in again.

[gdog2004]

It has become abundantly clear that there never was a serious injury with Fultz.
As he is supposedly 100% healthy now, his shot is still a mess. His issue is mental pure and simple.
I hope he can overcome it, but it would only do more mental damage to him to play him. Because Fultz without the ability to shoot is pretty much a useless player on this team. The primary reason they drafted him was to shoot. He can no longer do that.
It sucks and all, but that is the reality. Shut him down for the year, make up whatever BS injury/reaggravation story you want and move on. We all know the truth at this point but if you have to go thru the optics of making something up, feel free, its not like you haven't done it 50 times at this point(with Fultz and others).

[spikeslovechild]

Didn't see this posted anywhere people talked about BB the last two days but sort of passed off his comments:

"How would I assess where his shot is currently at? It's not where it used to be," said Brown. "It's not where it used to be. His free-throw I think is, but some of the longer shots and the rise-ups are not, and that's just part of him getting through this progressive adjustment, trying to figure out the injury going forward."

"I think what he needs to be is able to shoot a basketball. I don't know what percent we're going to apply that comment, but he needs to feel he can go and shoot a basketball," said Brown. "To just render it that the free throw is pretty good, and it is, and to only go that far without talking about some of the other pieces, is not what we are looking at, and I know he isn't looking at that."

"I think there still is some [discomfort] from time to time, and he would be able to answer that better, but it's my understanding that there is," said Brown. "I think that's part of recognizing there's still some sort of erratic shooting that it's not where it used to be, yet. And I hope everybody writes that 'yet."

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[AI_Efficiency]

I'm happy at least that Brett Brown agrees with not playing him until he can shoot. Whether its mental, physical, both, I think more harm than good would come from putting him out there before he's ready. If he has to be redshirted in classic Philly tradition, so be it. Sucks that he will miss a year of nba competition, but it might be best long term.

[Eyeamok]

Could it be BC realizes he made a mistake in trading valuable assets for Fultz. So what he is going to do is hope like crazy the Lakers finish #1 or #5. Then sit Fultz for the season and bring him back with our other first round picks next year and boom it's like trading away the assets to Boston never happened

As much as I hate to say it. They should sit Fultz until he is right, even if it does mean rolling him out next season. SMH

[PhilasFinest]

I think the 3 ball def looks like an odd, strength issue.

I’ve watched it tons of times. When he’s in the mid range, or shooting off the bounce, it looks fine. Hell even his FT’s look improved.

Every 3 pointer looks to have a launch....like young kids do when they lack the strength to reach the basket and kinda just heave it up. Might actually have something to do with the shoulder after all.

[Eyeamok]

I'm happy at least that Brett Brown agrees with not playing him until he can shoot. Whether its mental, physical, both, I think more harm than good would come from putting him out there before he's ready. If he has to be redshirted in classic Philly tradition, so be it. Sucks that he will miss a year of nba competition, but it might be best long term.

Yeah but hopefully he is watching film, working on his diet, working with trainers, improving his conditioning, actually watching what goes on in a game and looking at the best players in the world and learning something by having a court side seat every night. And not goofing around.

[Dark Faze]

He's trolling yall. Plain and simple. There's no injury. And he hasn't forgotten his old form. He's just trolling your team, plain and simple. Might be some kind of mental disorder or he wants out of basketball--I don't know, but I can tell you that he's faking it when it comes to his jumper. When your nervous and you can't shoot you play like Lonzo Ball did his first couple of months. You don't shoot like you're using your off ball hand.

And it's also clear that communication between Fultz and the team is about as awful as can be imagined. Brett says "I do believe there is some discomfort"--the eff? He's saying that as if its something to be speculated about. There's either discomfort or there isn't. That's a clear indication that there's a segment of the Sixers that don't know if they can take Fultz at his word.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I think the 3 ball def looks like an odd, strength issue.

I’ve watched it tons of times. When he’s in the mid range, or shooting off the bounce, it looks fine. Hell even his FT’s look improved.

Every 3 pointer looks to have a launch....like young kids do when they lack the strength to reach the basket and kinda just heave it up. Might actually have something to do with the shoulder after all.

Agree with this. If his freethrows were still busted the whole mental thing would probably have a leg to stand on. His FT shooting is significantly better than it was and through 3 separate days of clips seem reasonably consistent from day to day. FT shooting is probably one of the biggest mental aspects of basketball. Granted we haven't seen him shoot FT in a game so to say it's fixed completely is a stretch but we also haven't seen him shoot in a game either and people are ready to leap to all sorts of conclusions on that front.

[Negrodamus]

I think the 3 ball def looks like an odd, strength issue.

I’ve watched it tons of times. When he’s in the mid range, or shooting off the bounce, it looks fine. Hell even his FT’s look improved.

Every 3 pointer looks to have a launch....like young kids do when they lack the strength to reach the basket and kinda just heave it up. Might actually have something to do with the shoulder after all.

But why do a weird, hitchy, knockoff version of Curry's three, but freethrow form is semi-normal?

[Mik317]

you cannot sit a guy because his shot is broken.

someone should be shanked (metaphorically) for this ****

[cksdayoff]

its obvious that fultz cant lift his arm up all the way as seen when he’s shooting 3’s. its common sense when you look at where his elbow is in relation to his release point. you cant generate enough power to shoot accurately or consistently with that form.

the guy didnt shoot for 2 months, people around here expect him to be in top shooting form right after he gets cleared to shoot from a shoulder injury. as his shoulder and muscle gets stronger, the more his 3 point shot will go back to looking the way it was before. he has progressed to shooting free throws and can shoot jumpers though, which is progress. i hope he starts playing soon

the over analysis is pretty funny tho

[Negrodamus]

its obvious that fultz cant lift his arm up all the way as seen when he’s shooting 3’s. its common sense when you look at where his elbow is in relation to his release point. you cant generate enough power to shoot accurately or consistently with that form.

the guy didnt shoot for 2 months, people around here expect him to be in top shooting form right after he gets cleared to shoot. as his shoulder and muscle gets stronger, the more his 3 point shot will go back to looking the way it was before. he can still shoot jumpers though, i hope he starts playing soon

the over analysis is pretty funny tho

He's not shooting a medicine ball from three. And he's been rehabbing that arm, it hasn't been sitting in a sling or a cast for 3 months.

Since there is "no pain", I don't think there's a real good reason for him to be shooting it from his chest, unless he's changing (or has changed) his form to that.

[cksdayoff]

Since there is "no pain", I don't think there's a real good reason for him to be shooting it from his chest, unless he's changing (or has changed) his form to that.

he’s shooting midrange and free throws with relative ease, and even the current form he’s using now to shoot those shots arent the final product imo. it’s clear he is having trouble shooting from distance physically

range is not an issue when it comes to his natural ability to shoot the ball from 3 point range, just watch his summer league game where he shot 3s. but right now its clear to me that he’s not there yet, strength wise

[Negrodamus]

Since there is "no pain", I don't think there's a real good reason for him to be shooting it from his chest, unless he's changing (or has changed) his form to that.

he’s shooting midrange and free throws with relative ease, and even the current form he’s using now to shoot those shots arent the final product imo. it’s clear he is having trouble shooting from distance physically

range is not an issue when it comes to his natural ability to shoot the ball from 3 point range, just watch his summer league game where he shot 3s. but right now its clear to me that he’s not there yet, strength wise

I know it's a bit anecdotal, but he does have some bad misses in this practice during Summer League:

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I feel like he was having concerns with consistently hitting from that far out and wanted to make a more effortless shot.

[Slacktard]

Is it possible there is something wrong with Fultz's shoulder for years that caused him to develop a shot to avoid the pain/irritation?
Then the Sixers trying to fix his shot had him using a shot which brought the pain/irritation.

I have seen a lot of baseball pitchers alter their throwing because of shoulder pain.