Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[Kobblehead]

In B4 next quote bomb.

[PhillyFan]

Accusations? About his shooting? Accusations of not being a star player? Accusations of not being the greatest finisher? How are those "accusations"?

Accusations of him being a player with terrible attitude. Accusations about him jacking up shots whereas his efficiency has improved over the years. Accusations of him not being able to finish when the entire team is a bunch of misfits. Accusations of him being easily replaceable by scrubs around the league. The list goes on and on.

Damn right it's my opinion and many other people's opinion. Because the situation never made sense from jump street. Stop being so naive. Or being naive in order to defend your boy.

It is definitely frustrating for someone (you) so biased and narrow-minded to make sense of reality. I feel sorry for you, boy.

SJSF is a nutcase when it comes to his Iguodala bashing. Everyone knows this. He doesn't count. But even if you do, that's one person. That doesn't help your case one bit.

And there is a huge difference in thinking Iguodala shouldn't be the main guy on this team and blaming him for the reason why this franchise is mediocre as it is. Your thinking is screwed up when it comes to this conclusion you came to.

Don't try to separate yourself from SJSF. You aren't that much better. You change your argument as you see fit. It's sad really, when you see someone unable to hold onto his own argument for even one page.

A good team is Atlanta. The Sixers aren't a good team. How can you say we're a good team, but then say we need a top pick? A top pick which you detest? Miami didn't take the Sixers seriously. Look how they played against Boston, Chicago and now Dallas. Totally different team.

There you go again, making excuses for other teams.

Heat grew as a team as the playoffs went on, but you can't just go off and discredit the fact we gave them a tough fight, even though the # of win/loss didn't show it.

Atlanta is a solid team, just as we are a solid team. We both have pros and cons.

I find it amusing you call yourself a fan, while constantly ridicule your own team.

So teams didn't target after Wall, Turner and now Irving and Derrick Williams to change their franchises' fortunes?

Again, has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You don't hear those players getting labelled as potentially franchise changing players pre-draft do you?

Unlike Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose or Lebron James, for example, are already talked about before the draft. Stop living in your hole and crawl back to reality.

Nobody is paying to watching a team stuck in mediocrity, either.

People appreciate competitive basketball. No one pays to see a team getting blowout.

It makes more damn sense, though.

Unbelievable how someone can think like you do. Because the Sixers aren't promised a superstar, they should never, ever, EVER think about getting a top 5 pick. What kind of logic is that?

And you talk about MY plan. What about yours? Only being bad when there is a Lebron-type in the draft. There is no guarantee that player becomes a star. Lebron could've easily been a total bust. So why go after my thinking when yours is no guarantee, either?

Again, twisting words as you fit. I clearly said I wouldn't mind tanking for next year's draft, for example, because the talent pool is much more stronger. Without knowing what kind of talent you can potentially get and you go ahead tanking anyway. What kind of logic is that?

My plan? We wouldn't be able to do anything until both Iguodala/Brand's contracts are removed/expired. Being stuck with either one of those limits the FO's ability to maneuver the personnel to make any drastic changes. Therefore, I am not totally against trading Iguodala for Kaman's expiring if the team is determined to fully rebuild. At the same time, you need to somehow find a way to unload Brand, which is very difficult until the last year of his contract.

Glad you didn't talk to Danny Ainge before he made his moves to get Garnett and Allen.

Danny Ainge was making a desperation move since none of his previous personnel decisions work. You don't see teams trading away their entire roster for 3 players. That is simply a rarity. New York tried to do that with Carmelo, and look where they are? They got long ways to go before they become a serious contender.

You can argue the Heat did it, but it was more because Lebron, Wade and Bosh wanted to play together and pushed for it, as oppose to a GM making moves in his last desperate attempt to save his job.

Like you always say with the Clippers, they are a terrible example to use to prove your point.

Are you serious?

So you are telling each and every one of us that a top 5 pick (strong or weak draft) is on level with a middle of the draft pick or lower?

No, what you fail to comprehend is that a team with a lower pick...a playoff team maybe...that needs that final piece would value plenty a top 5 pick, even in an average/weak draft.

You really are out of your depth here. Your logic is like...mush.

Hahahah, you really have trouble understanding any other individual's perspective not named you. That is such a shame.

I am telling you, in clear words, a top 5 pick in a weak draft does not equal to a top 5 pick in a strong draft in value pre-draft. Simple as that. No more of you far-fetched analogies that makes no logical sense.

You try to call out others for their "mistakes", but most of the time you are the one having trouble with your logic.

[P2K]

Accusations of him being a player with terrible attitude.

Where did I say Iguodala has a terrible attitude? Show me a quote.

Accusations about him jacking up shots whereas his efficiency has improved over the years.

Well, he did used to jack up shots. I never really got on him about that, except at the end of games. But other than that...

Accusations of him not being able to finish when the entire team is a bunch of misfits.

Iguodala isn't a great finisher. How is that an accusation when it's true? He's adequate, but he has a hard time getting the ball to the basket.

Accusations of him being easily replaceable by scrubs around the league. The list goes on and on.

Tony Allen, Thabo Sefolosha, Shane Battier and so on aren't scrubs.

It is definitely frustrating for someone (you) so biased and narrow-minded to make sense of reality. I feel sorry for you, boy.

^^^^ really means "Me not know what to say."

Don't try to separate yourself from SJSF. You aren't that much better. You change your argument as you see fit. It's sad really, when you see someone unable to hold onto his own argument for even one page.

Just more rambling of potshots because you have nothing to add.

I say that's it and I feel you have no idea how to debate with someone that has an objective view. Which is why you instead interpret it as I "changing my argument as I see fit". Yeah, I'm 100% sure that is it.

There you go again, making excuses for other teams.

Heat grew as a team as the playoffs went on, but you can't just go off and discredit the fact we gave them a tough fight, even though the # of win/loss didn't show it.

Atlanta is a solid team, just as we are a solid team. We both have pros and cons.

I find it amusing you call yourself a fan, while constantly ridicule your own team.

So the Sixers are on par with Atlanta, a team that reached the second round?

And since when did being realistic mean I'm not a fan? I gave praise when I saw fit. I criticised when I saw fit. So because I don't praise 100% of the time, I'm not a fan?

Once again...more potshots instead of debate.

Again, has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Oh word?!?!

You don't hear those players getting labelled as potentially franchise changing players pre-draft do you?

Unlike Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose or Lebron James, for example, are already talked about before the draft. Stop living in your hole and crawl back to reality.

Wasn't Kyrie Irving talked about two years ago and some junk? Wasn't John Wall labelled a great NBA player before he set foot in Lexington?

People appreciate competitive basketball. No one pays to see a team getting blowout.

Yeah because it really showed at the gate this season and in past seasons.

Again, twisting words as you fit. I clearly said I wouldn't mind tanking for next year's draft, for example, because the talent pool is much more stronger. Without knowing what kind of talent you can potentially get and you go ahead tanking anyway. What kind of logic is that?

What crystal ball are you using because mine seems to be out of order. I keep asking how good is next year's draft class and it keeps givng me the finger, saying "HOW THE HELL WOULD I KNOW?!"

My plan? We wouldn't be able to do anything until both Iguodala/Brand's contracts are removed/expired. Being stuck with either one of those limits the FO's ability to maneuver the personnel to make any drastic changes. Therefore, I am not totally against trading Iguodala for Kaman's expiring if the team is determined to fully rebuild.

And your mind-bending genius brain says this plan is 100% fail-proof?

Danny Ainge was making a desperation move since none of his previous personnel decisions work. You don't see teams trading away their entire roster for 3 players. That is simply a rarity. New York tried to do that with Carmelo, and look where they are? They got long ways to go before they become a serious contender.

And have a much better chance of being something than before, though? Correct?

Like you always say with the Clippers, they are a terrible example to use to prove your point.

Affirmative. You did learn something

Hahahah, you really have trouble understanding any other individual's perspective not named you. That is such a shame.

I am telling you, in clear words, a top 5 pick in a weak draft does not equal to a top 5 pick in a strong draft. Simple as that. No more of you far-fetched analogies that makes no logical sense.

You try to call out others for their "mistakes", but most of the time you are the one having trouble with your logic.

Hmm...

3) Because going to a draft with top 5-10 picks with a weak pool means just as much having the 15-17th pick in the draft.

[SJSF]

Accusations? About his shooting? Accusations of not being a star player? Accusations of not being the greatest finisher? How are those "accusations"?

Accusations of him being a player with terrible attitude. Accusations about him jacking up shots whereas his efficiency has improved over the years. Accusations of him not being able to finish when the entire team is a bunch of misfits. Accusations of him being easily replaceable by scrubs around the league. The list goes on and on.

Damn right it's my opinion and many other people's opinion. Because the situation never made sense from jump street. Stop being so naive. Or being naive in order to defend your boy.

It is definitely frustrating for someone (you) so biased and narrow-minded to make sense of reality. I feel sorry for you, boy.

SJSF is a nutcase when it comes to his Iguodala bashing. Everyone knows this. He doesn't count. But even if you do, that's one person. That doesn't help your case one bit.

And there is a huge difference in thinking Iguodala shouldn't be the main guy on this team and blaming him for the reason why this franchise is mediocre as it is. Your thinking is screwed up when it comes to this conclusion you came to.

Don't try to separate yourself from SJSF. You aren't that much better. You change your argument as you see fit. It's sad really, when you see someone unable to hold onto his own argument for even one page.

A good team is Atlanta. The Sixers aren't a good team. How can you say we're a good team, but then say we need a top pick? A top pick which you detest? Miami didn't take the Sixers seriously. Look how they played against Boston, Chicago and now Dallas. Totally different team.

There you go again, making excuses for other teams.

Heat grew as a team as the playoffs went on, but you can't just go off and discredit the fact we gave them a tough fight, even though the # of win/loss didn't show it.

Atlanta is a solid team, just as we are a solid team. We both have pros and cons.

I find it amusing you call yourself a fan, while constantly ridicule your own team.

So teams didn't target after Wall, Turner and now Irving and Derrick Williams to change their franchises' fortunes?

Again, has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You don't hear those players getting labelled as potentially franchise changing players pre-draft do you?

Unlike Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose or Lebron James, for example, are already talked about before the draft. Stop living in your hole and crawl back to reality.

Nobody is paying to watching a team stuck in mediocrity, either.

People appreciate competitive basketball. No one pays to see a team getting blowout.

It makes more damn sense, though.

Unbelievable how someone can think like you do. Because the Sixers aren't promised a superstar, they should never, ever, EVER think about getting a top 5 pick. What kind of logic is that?

And you talk about MY plan. What about yours? Only being bad when there is a Lebron-type in the draft. There is no guarantee that player becomes a star. Lebron could've easily been a total bust. So why go after my thinking when yours is no guarantee, either?

Again, twisting words as you fit. I clearly said I wouldn't mind tanking for next year's draft, for example, because the talent pool is much more stronger. Without knowing what kind of talent you can potentially get and you go ahead tanking anyway. What kind of logic is that?

My plan? We wouldn't be able to do anything until both Iguodala/Brand's contracts are removed/expired. Being stuck with either one of those limits the FO's ability to maneuver the personnel to make any drastic changes. Therefore, I am not totally against trading Iguodala for Kaman's expiring if the team is determined to fully rebuild. At the same time, you need to somehow find a way to unload Brand, which is very difficult until the last year of his contract.

Glad you didn't talk to Danny Ainge before he made his moves to get Garnett and Allen.

Danny Ainge was making a desperation move since none of his previous personnel decisions work. You don't see teams trading away their entire roster for 3 players. That is simply a rarity. New York tried to do that with Carmelo, and look where they are? They got long ways to go before they become a serious contender.

You can argue the Heat did it, but it was more because Lebron, Wade and Bosh wanted to play together and pushed for it, as oppose to a GM making moves in his last desperate attempt to save his job.

Like you always say with the Clippers, they are a terrible example to use to prove your point.

Are you serious?

So you are telling each and every one of us that a top 5 pick (strong or weak draft) is on level with a middle of the draft pick or lower?

No, what you fail to comprehend is that a team with a lower pick...a playoff team maybe...that needs that final piece would value plenty a top 5 pick, even in an average/weak draft.

You really are out of your depth here. Your logic is like...mush.

Hahahah, you really have trouble understanding any other individual's perspective not named you. That is such a shame.

I am telling you, in clear words, a top 5 pick in a weak draft does not equal to a top 5 pick in a strong draft in value pre-draft. Simple as that. No more of you far-fetched analogies that makes no logical sense.

You try to call out others for their "mistakes", but most of the time you are the one having trouble with your logic.

And from all this quoting and writing, your point is still weak, BOY.

[SJSF]

Given a chance to do it all over again, would you honestly sign Iguodala to that 6 year contract $80,000,000 contract?   

Would you pay that much money on someone who is better off as a fourth to fifth option on offense in a championship caliber team? If you want a defensive specialist, then sign a guy like Tony Allen. If you want someone to be your team's main facilitator, then ask your PG to do that Job. If you want a finisher off the break, then let anyone do it.

Iggy is very versatile and is an efficient player, that explains his high PER numbers and is definitely not a useless player you trade hedo or jrich for. But paying him that much money is, IMO, unnecessary. And that makes him overpaid. It's not because he isn't worth the contract, the issue here is if it's necessary of pay a jack of all trades, master of none (role player as some would call) type of player that much.  He's not overpaid because of his worth. It's more of an issue of proper allocation of the team's salary budget.

It's like instead of doubling the size of your house because of an expanding family, you instead spend it all to a very expensive door that is made of rich mahogany and studded with gold. Yes, it might be worth it. But is it really necessary to have a very expensive door?

Luol Deng might be overpaid. Josh Smith might be overpaid. Joe Johnson might be overpaid. But all of these overpaid players would benefit the team or most of the teams more than Iggy and his fair contract.

Just my two cents. 

That's the double standard I don't get.

Hindsight, that offseason I would not have persue Elton Brand and kept the cap space (since there aren't any other players worth getting that off season). The problem was, after signing Iguodala and Brand, our top 3 were them + Dalembert based on the contracts. That's just asking for mediocrity, and it is completely on Stefanski. He took a major gamble on Brand, hoping the injury he suffer would not affect his game and in fear of the fans going after him for standing pat.

Both Brand and Iguodala played hurt and don't complain or whine about it.

Both of them have great work ethic towards the game.

Both are recognize for their level of impact in the ball game.

Yet Brand rarely gets any criticism for his game. Why? Because besides him, we have no one else in the front court besides a bunch of role players/scrubs. Therefore, his presence in the game is completely magnify in comparison to Iguodala's game. As highlighted by many others, Iguodala manages to deter the performance of a lot of the league's top wings. I cannot agree with posters here thinking role players like Selofosha, Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, etc could easily replace Iguodala's defense. While players like Shawn Marion or Luol Deng may appear to do a better job, because their roster plays much better defense overall.

I am not against the idea of trading Iguodala, because unless Turner develops into the scorer we want him to be, the team as constructed will go nowhere. Mind you, I don't think we should tank unless we expect a strong draft in the following year. Tanking while getting no Lebrons in return is pointless in my opinion. I would prefer we stay competitve and not play Eddie Jordan basketball in the meantime but that's just me.

And you didn't answer the question, would you have given Iggy that 6 year and 80m contract? Also if he was worth that money, we wouldn't be talking about trading him all the time.

[PhillyFan]

Where did I say Iguodala has a terrible attitude? Show me a quote.

Knowing that the forum has no search function (limited to searching your own most recent posts), that's a terrible comeback, boy.

Iguodala isn't a great finisher. How is that an accusation when it's true? He's adequate, but he has a hard time getting the ball to the basket.

He has hard time getting to the basket partly because we have no one opening up the space. Not just him, other players on our team have a tough time as well.

Tony Allen, Thabo Sefolosha, Shane Battier and so on aren't scrubs.

Where were they in the Team US during the World Basketball championship run? Oh I forgot, they aren't even picked to the team. (Thabo of course, can't, since he is Swiss).

^^^^ really means "Me not know what to say."

Really means you, P2K, is clueless.

Just more rambling of potshots because you have nothing to add.

Funny you say that, because that sentence just about sums up most of your posts around here.

I say that's it and I feel you have no idea how to debate with someone that has an objective view. Which is why you instead interpret it as I "changing my argument as I see fit". Yeah, I'm 100% sure that is it.

hahaha, you are the one who keeps throwing around far-fetched analogies trying to win an argument. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are something that you aren't.

So the Sixers are on par with Atlanta, a team that reached the second round?

And since when did being realistic meanI'm not a fan? I gave praise when I saw fit. I criticised when I saw fit. So because I don't praise 100% of the time, I'm not a fan?

Once again...more potshots instead of debate.

Funny you say that, because you are realistic to the point you rarely give any credit to what they are doing well, i.e. playing good team basketball.

Atlanta played a dysfunctional Orlando Magic while we faced Miami Heat. I don't see how they are that much better than us.

Wasn't Kyrie Irving talked about two years ago and some junk? Wasn't John Wall labelled a great NBA player before he set foot in Lexington?

They were. Jury is still out on John Wall, and Irving isn't making that much of a buzz.

Yeah because it really showed at the gate this season and in past seasons.

More so if the Eddie Jordan era-like seasons continue.

What crystal ball are you using because mine seems to be out of order. I keep asking how good is next year's draft class and it keeps givng me the finger, saying "HOW THE HELL WOULD I KNOW?!"

Austin Rivers, Perry Jones, Jared Sullinger, Harrison Barnes, just to name a few. You got to keep up, boy.

And your mind-bending genius brain says this plan is 100% fail-proof?

More so than your so-called plan of "rebuilding" by blindly plunging yourself into the draft and hope you find something stick.

And have a much better chance of being something than before, though? Correct?

How do you justify something that worked by luck to be a blueprint for other teams? That's another fail in your logic.

Affirmative. You did learn something {/quote]

Yep, that your own quotes can be applied on you easily.

Hmm...

3) Because going to a draft with top 5-10 picks with a weak pool means just as much having the 15-17th pick in the draft.

Once again, you didn't prove anything? I am saying a weak draft it doesn't really matter where you pick because majority of the players you are getting are unlikely to be the guy you want to change your franchise with. Whether its at the 5 or the 17th.

Quite a hard concept for you to work your little mind around. But it will come in time.

[PhillyFan]

SJSF, this is adults talk.

Go back to your own closet with your Iggy hating voodoo doll.

[Foshan]

LOL seriously, get a room.

[PhillyFan]

might as well bombard this thread and hopefully get one of the mods to lock it.

[Foshan]

Back to the whole 'Rumor' part, which was what this thread was about pre-pissing contests.

ESPN is reporting that GSW/PHI are talking about Iggy/Ellis swap.

Any third teams that we can get to take Ellis?

[Iggy Pops]

Defense would certainly take a hit.

/understatement award

[PhillyFan]

if we are to trade for Monta, we need to unload Lou Will.

The 2 of them would be redundant on this roster.

Jrue/Ellis/Turner, not a bad trio if Collins can keep Ellis from hogging the ball.

[Sixersftw]

Any third teams that we can get to take Ellis?

This. One of the last players I want. Ball dominant, horrid defender and what he is good at (scoring) he does inefficiently. but Snider saves some cash!

[PhillyFan]

Any third teams that we can get to take Ellis?

This. One of the last players I want. Ball dominant, horrid defender and what he is good at (scoring) he does inefficiently. but Snider saves some cash!

thats' the key, Snider get to save some cash for his beloved Flyers.

Plus, it seems like defense is not valued by the causal fan these days. Maybe Monta's high scoring average, if not done inefficiently, will get some fans to the door?

[76ciology]

Monta Ellis wouldn't make sense without any upgrade at the C position.

[Skates]

Ellis + Udoh for Iggy + Speights makes just a little more sense. Just a little.

[Koponen]

I think Monta's inefficiency is a little exaggerated. Sure, he is a volume shooter, but he increased his efficiency in every facet of the game last season, putting up solid assist numbers, lowering his TO/g, and playing better team ball in the Warriors games I watched. That said, he is a sub-par defender and can be a black hole on offense at times. I'd do this trade, though, because his skill set fits better with ET and Jrue, and because it gives us better range. Like everyone has said, we'd absolutely have to move Lou if this trade went down. Perhaps package Lou and Speights/#16 for a defensive big or a draft pick that would allow us to take one of the 3 international bigs. Sign a vet pg and you'd have:

Jrue - veteran
Ellis - Meeks
ET - Nocioni
Brand - Thad
Biyombo/Kanter/Jonas/defensive big -Hawes

Not bad moving forward. I'd love it if they could work a Speights/Udoh swap in, but I doubt they give up on Udoh already.

[freshie2]

Why would this mean Lou needs to be traded? Lou/Thad still provide an advantage most nights from/ the bench, and you now have a #1 scoring option in the starting lineup. Still need more length/toughness inside, but this type of deal shouldn't force a Lou trade. Not my first choice for an Iguodala deal, but the value is comparable.

[dbodner]

He increased his efficiency quite a bit, but he's still not efficient, and he still turns the ball over quite a bit.

[dbodner]

And I think you've both made your points. Let's try to move on.