Around the League - 2019-2020

[76ciology]

Baynes and Ayton. Pretty much sums up why you don’t waste a top 3 pick for a center. Unless its generational like Embiid, and Im not even THAT sure about that

[Wilfried]

Baynes and Ayton. Pretty much sums up why you don’t waste a top 3 pick for a center. Unless its generational like Embiid, and Im not even THAT sure about that

Completely agree
You waste your top 3 pick on Andrew Wiggins or Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz or RJ Barrett or ...

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, post scoring as a lead trait has been marginalized to the point of insignificance.

Only way you should take a big at the top of the draft is if he can, both, anchor a defense and score.

[Kobblehead]

I think I'm about ready to call Kyrie Irving the worst asset to an organization in the NBA right now.

[Wilfried]

I think I'm about ready to call Kyrie Irving the worst asset to an organization in the NBA right now.

He's by far the most underpaid asset in the league ... being a player (although mostly only half the season), coach AND GM at the same time

[76ciology]

I think I'm about ready to call Kyrie Irving the worst asset to an organization in the NBA right now.

He's by far the most underpaid asset in the league ... being a player (although mostly only half the season), coach AND GM at the same time

[76ciology]

Baynes and Ayton. Pretty much sums up why you don’t waste a top 3 pick for a center. Unless its generational like Embiid, and Im not even THAT sure about that

Completely agree
You waste your top 3 pick on Andrew Wiggins or Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz or RJ Barrett or ...

Yup. If say there’s a 1,000,000 sample size, you’ll win more times by doing that.

And if you go farther, i believe there’s like a stat that said something like there’s a very low chance of a top 3 pick being a bust if he’s a guard. Something like that.

For a top 3 pick, you are drafting for a franchise player. It’s really tough to be a contender with a center as your franchise player in today’s game. Passing up a top 3 pick caliber guard over a top 3 pick caliber center makes it worse.

[76ciology]

CP3 at 34 and Bron at 35, playing at an elite level is inspiring. Specially for someone as old as iam

[kuclas]

Baynes and Ayton. Pretty much sums up why you don’t waste a top 3 pick for a center. Unless its generational like Embiid, and Im not even THAT sure about that

Completely agree
You waste your top 3 pick on Andrew Wiggins or Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz or RJ Barrett or ...

Yup. If say there’s a 1,000,000 sample size, you’ll win more times by doing that.

And if you go farther, i believe there’s like a stat that said something like there’s a very low chance of a top 3 pick being a bust if he’s a guard. Something like that.

For a top 3 pick, you are drafting for a franchise player. It’s really tough to be a contender with a center as your franchise player in today’s game. Passing up a top 3 pick caliber guard over a top 3 pick caliber center makes it worse.

So the Sixers drafting Wiggins (2014) DLo(2015), Brandon Ingram (2016) and Tatum

Is that lineup any better than Embiid, simmons plus fillers? Okafor and fultz gone obviously

I’d take my chance with embiid and Simmons plus fillers in a 7 game series over Wiggins/dlo/Ingram/Tatum (plus cheap 5 (McGee/wcs etc)

[76ciology]

Completely agree
You waste your top 3 pick on Andrew Wiggins or Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz or RJ Barrett or ...

Yup. If say there’s a 1,000,000 sample size, you’ll win more times by doing that.

And if you go farther, i believe there’s like a stat that said something like there’s a very low chance of a top 3 pick being a bust if he’s a guard. Something like that.

For a top 3 pick, you are drafting for a franchise player. It’s really tough to be a contender with a center as your franchise player in today’s game. Passing up a top 3 pick caliber guard over a top 3 pick caliber center makes it worse.

So the Sixers drafting Wiggins (2014) DLo(2015), Brandon Ingram (2016) and Tatum

Is that lineup any better than Embiid, simmons plus fillers? Okafor and fultz gone obviously

I’d take my chance with embiid and Simmons plus fillers in a 7 game series over Wiggins/dlo/Ingram/Tatum (plus cheap 5 (McGee/wcs etc)

Cheap 5. Like Baynes or one of Nurkic or Whiteside or Capela or Dedmon. Yes, I’d take the dlo, Tatum& Ingram group. Then i’d make Wiggins as 6th man scorer off the bench.

[Wilfried]

Yup. If say there’s a 1,000,000 sample size, you’ll win more times by doing that.

And if you go farther, i believe there’s like a stat that said something like there’s a very low chance of a top 3 pick being a bust if he’s a guard. Something like that.

For a top 3 pick, you are drafting for a franchise player. It’s really tough to be a contender with a center as your franchise player in today’s game. Passing up a top 3 pick caliber guard over a top 3 pick caliber center makes it worse.

So the Sixers drafting Wiggins (2014) DLo(2015), Brandon Ingram (2016) and Tatum

Is that lineup any better than Embiid, simmons plus fillers? Okafor and fultz gone obviously

I’d take my chance with embiid and Simmons plus fillers in a 7 game series over Wiggins/dlo/Ingram/Tatum (plus cheap 5 (McGee/wcs etc)

Cheap 5. Like Baynes or one of Nurkic or Whiteside or Capela or Dedmon. Yes, I’d take the dlo, Tatum& Ingram group. Then i’d make Wiggins as 6th man scorer off the bench.

You're a very rich man sir, if you think Nurkic, Whiteside or Capela are cheap.
And none of them are on a team one thinks of as a contender.

[Kobblehead]

Tatum/Ingram is basically a younger, less-developed version of the Leonard/George duo. You'd be crazy to not want that.

[Kobblehead]

Coby White finally getting his first start.

Is averaging 27 ppg in his last 8 games off the bench.

It's time for Chicago to go all-in and push every marketing dollar they have in this kid. Superstar.

[mithrandir17]

Milwaukee started Thananis Antetokounmpo at PF. Maybe they thought Denver wouldn't notice that Giannis is not playing?

[76ciology]

So the Sixers drafting Wiggins (2014) DLo(2015), Brandon Ingram (2016) and Tatum

Is that lineup any better than Embiid, simmons plus fillers? Okafor and fultz gone obviously

I’d take my chance with embiid and Simmons plus fillers in a 7 game series over Wiggins/dlo/Ingram/Tatum (plus cheap 5 (McGee/wcs etc)

Cheap 5. Like Baynes or one of Nurkic or Whiteside or Capela or Dedmon. Yes, I’d take the dlo, Tatum& Ingram group. Then i’d make Wiggins as 6th man scorer off the bench.

You're a very rich man sir, if you think Nurkic, Whiteside or Capela are cheap.
And none of them are on a team one thinks of as a contender.

Value, im talking about league wide value than cap.

[youngcrev]

Tatum/Ingram is basically a younger, less-developed version of the Leonard/George duo. You'd be crazy to not want that.

I don't see that comparison at all other than playing similar positions. Certainly nowhere on the same planet defensively no matter how much development you are putting in.

[youngcrev]

Completely agree
You waste your top 3 pick on Andrew Wiggins or Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz or RJ Barrett or ...

Yup. If say there’s a 1,000,000 sample size, you’ll win more times by doing that.

And if you go farther, i believe there’s like a stat that said something like there’s a very low chance of a top 3 pick being a bust if he’s a guard. Something like that.

For a top 3 pick, you are drafting for a franchise player. It’s really tough to be a contender with a center as your franchise player in today’s game. Passing up a top 3 pick caliber guard over a top 3 pick caliber center makes it worse.

So the Sixers drafting Wiggins (2014) DLo(2015), Brandon Ingram (2016) and Tatum

Is that lineup any better than Embiid, simmons plus fillers? Okafor and fultz gone obviously

I’d take my chance with embiid and Simmons plus fillers in a 7 game series over Wiggins/dlo/Ingram/Tatum (plus cheap 5 (McGee/wcs etc)

I'd take Embiid and Simmons pretty comfortably. That feels like a pretty terrible combination of players. They'd get eaten alive defensively. Basically a poor man's version of the Celtics.

[76ciology]

If I’m facing Biid and Ben.. I’d get a banger white center like Gasol or Baynes. Then clog the paint with Ben’s man as a constant helper on defense. Offensively, I’d put Baynes at the perimeter to pull Biid away from the paint, then I’d let Ingram, Tatum, DLo and Wiggins do their work. Or just keep running 1-5 PnR with DLo. Let Tatum, Ingram or Wiggins hunt the SG on ISO.

Ben and Biid have the specs to be franchise players, but they just aren’t right now. Combined, they are just right there or a tier slightly below Ingram and Tatum.

[kuclas]

If I’m facing Biid and Ben.. I’d get a banger white center like Gasol or Baynes. Then clog the paint with Ben’s man as a constant helper on defense. Offensively, I’d put Baynes at the perimeter to pull Biid away from the paint, then I’d let Ingram, Tatum, DLo and Wiggins do their work. Or just keep running 1-5 PnR with DLo. Let Tatum, Ingram or Wiggins hunt the SG on ISO.

Ben and Biid have the specs to be franchise players, but they just aren’t right now. Combined, they are just right there or a tier slightly below Ingram and Tatum.

The the thing you forget is the fillers. The shooters to surround embiid and Simmons. It’s the fit.

Baynes and gasol do not necessarily guard embiid 1:1. It’s the defensive scheme where the help defenders collapse on embiid to help Baynes and gasol as embiid tries to get into the low block.

That’s why guys like reddick Covington and saric and even Bellini made Sixers so fun to watch. You have to get 3 fillers/shooters on the outside to create space. It creates a tremendous amount of pressure on defense to try to collapse on embiid even if Ben is a non shooter. At worst he’s the slasher as open guy.

[76ciology]

If I’m facing Biid and Ben.. I’d get a banger white center like Gasol or Baynes. Then clog the paint with Ben’s man as a constant helper on defense. Offensively, I’d put Baynes at the perimeter to pull Biid away from the paint, then I’d let Ingram, Tatum, DLo and Wiggins do their work. Or just keep running 1-5 PnR with DLo. Let Tatum, Ingram or Wiggins hunt the SG on ISO.

Ben and Biid have the specs to be franchise players, but they just aren’t right now. Combined, they are just right there or a tier slightly below Ingram and Tatum.

The the thing you forget is the fillers. The shooters to surround embiid and Simmons. It’s the fit.

Baynes and gasol do not necessarily guard embiid 1:1. It’s the defensive scheme where the help defenders collapse on embiid to help Baynes and gasol as embiid tries to get into the low block.

That’s why guys like reddick Covington and saric and even Bellini made Sixers so fun to watch. You have to get 3 fillers/shooters on the outside to create space. It creates a tremendous amount of pressure on defense to try to collapse on embiid even if Ben is a non shooter. At worst he’s the slasher as open guy.

The defenders of those shooter will stay on them. The guy defending Ben will provide help defense. And i’ll take my chances with Baynes or Gasol defending Biid 1v1.

Actually it’s not that hard to provide help defense and leave the shooters and yet defend us easily, we’ve seen how Celts and Raps did it.

It’s like the Pels of AD and DMC, sure if it’s NBA 2K you’ll get a good team rating. But on actual, the performance won’t be at par with it’s talent.

The problem with Ben and Biid is as good as they are, they are not dominantly good as the other batman and robin pairs like Shaq and Kobe or Mj and Pippen that you can just surround them with shooters. It’s also the difference between the Lakers and Sixers this year. We need 2-3 borderline to star caliber players to surround them with. While Lakers can have Kuzma as their third best player. Just think about it.