Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

76ciology · Post #1721 » by **76ciology** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:18 am

Mik317 wrote:Fultz was a victim of that first season run accelerating the timeline in the eyes of the FO.

Team went win now and he had no place here after that. He's still not shooting 3s and the jumper is still jank so I think for him leaving still was the best for him.

Yup.

I think we rebuild too long. And we were expecting an NBA ready prospect but nobody what happened to him with that shoulder.

Anyway, I think everything worked out well in the end

Kobblehead · Post #1722 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:05 pm

At Washington, Fultz drew a ton of fouls and shot a bunch of threes every game.

Even now that he's "reclaimed" himself, he looks nothing like what was promised. He'll never be the guy he was at Washington.

Murray_17 · Post #1723 » by **Murray_17** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:20 pm

What are the odds we play the Knicks on Christmas with both teams still on their winning streaks? If it happens Knicks would won 10 on a row and we 7 on a row.

Knicks play the Raptors today on a back-to-back and the Bulls on Friday. We play the Pistons today and the Clippers on Friday.

Kobblehead · Post #1724 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:42 pm

It's amazing how great the Knicks are on offense in spite of how inefficient R.J. Barrett has been with his volume scoring. He should just stop shooting and play like Derozan.

HardenToSixers · Post #1725 » by **HardenToSixers** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:37 pm

76ciology wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Fultz was a victim of that first season run accelerating the timeline in the eyes of the FO.

Team went win now and he had no place here after that. He's still not shooting 3s and the jumper is still jank so I think for him leaving still was the best for him.

Yup.

I think we rebuild too long. And we were expecting an NBA ready prospect but nobody what happened to him with that shoulder.

Anyway, I think everything worked out well in the end

It's almost like we were waiting for organic growth to occur which never happened until Embiid got healthy

Jailblazers7 · Post #1726 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:33 pm

Kobblehead wrote:It's amazing how great the Knicks are on offense in spite of how inefficient R.J. Barrett has been with his volume scoring. He should just stop shooting and play like Derozan.

Can’t remember if it was on the Lowe Post but someone noted that his efficiency has improved since Grimes entered the lineup. It’s possible that he was just overextended as their best perimeter defender + a 20 point scorer.

Kobblehead · Post #1727 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:57 pm

Barrett is just a tough player for me to get behind. As a prospect, I liked his rebounding and his playmaking. But his defensive impact is so trash with his inability to generate any steals or blocks and his volume shooting at low percentages tanks his offensive impact. And that's kind of how his career with the Knicks has played out (with the exception being that one aberration year where he shot 40% from three).

No improvement in his career, either. He's essentially been the same player across all stats and metrics with slight fluctuation in percentages.

Kobblehead · Post #1728 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:12 pm

Kentucky guys from the 2019 Draft. Who would you rather have:

P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Keldon Johnson

Murray_17 · Post #1729 » by **Murray_17** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:15 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:It's amazing how great the Knicks are on offense in spite of how inefficient R.J. Barrett has been with his volume scoring. He should just stop shooting and play like Derozan.

Can’t remember if it was on the Lowe Post but someone noted that his efficiency has improved since Grimes entered the lineup. It’s possible that he was just overextended as their best perimeter defender + a 20 point scorer.

In the current game streak of the Knicks his TS is 54 and he's shooting 33% from 3 on 5.6 attempts.

I think he's what it is, his FT shooting hasn't improved either which to me tend to point on the same direction.

I think the Knicks win streak is based on the changes on the rotation, the improvement on defense, and Randle playing like he did in 2020.

Sustainable? i don't think so, but it's an improvement nonetheless

Jailblazers7 · Post #1730 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Kentucky guys from the 2019 Draft. Who would you rather have:

P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Keldon Johnson

I’d give Keldon the clear edge. He’s shown enough as a scorer to be an awesome 3rd guy on a title team and has the physical tools to be a plus defender. Herro’s defense is too big a liability and PJ isn’t a good enough rebounder.

Murray_17 · Post #1731 » by **Murray_17** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:16 pm

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Jailblazers7 · Post #1732 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:39 pm

Damn, good for Alvarado. The fact that Ja & Harden register as plus defenders is surprising.

Murray_17 · Post #1733 » by **Murray_17** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:20 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:Damn, good for Alvarado. The fact that Ja & Harden register as plus defenders is surprising.

I think more than their own impact is a result of the defensive rating of both teams

76ciology · Post #1734 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:38 am

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blargh · Post #1735 » by **blargh** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:16 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Kentucky guys from the 2019 Draft. Who would you rather have:

P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Keldon Johnson

I’d give Keldon the clear edge. He’s shown enough as a scorer to be an awesome 3rd guy on a title team and has the physical tools to be a plus defender. Herro’s defense is too big a liability and PJ isn’t a good enough rebounder.

I think 3-4 years in, you have to stop talking about defensive tools, and start measuring impact. Johnson is a worse defender than Herro this year.

Mik317 · Post #1736 » by **Mik317** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:39 pm

its hard to truly evaluate young players on terrible teams.

Are they hurt or hidden by the team sucking balls? Some guys do better when they aren't the only capable guy on the floor; others can only exist when they are the only talent.

One of the lowkey hardest things is to know when to hold on or sell high on guys during your rebuild. We made a surprisingly good decision w/ MCW. Bungled with Grant. MCW was good for us. Grant was inconsistant but once he got on better teams he was able to find his role and grow in it and THEN add to his game. MCW never was able to exist as a secondary guy (although you saw signs of that here with Wroten for example).

A lot of these rebuilding teams are going to have to make those decisions now before overpaying to keep guys who might plateau early...Keldon might be one of those dudes.

Kobblehead · Post #1737 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:39 pm

I think P.J. Washington is the top guy. I've seen seasons of him where he put everything together and was providing rebounding, playmaking, defense, and shooting. The other two guys will never be able to provide any defense. I'd take Herro over Johnson because he's both a better shooter and playmaker. Ironically enough, Herro is actually leading the trio in rebounding this year.

Negrodamus · Post #1738 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:57 pm

Herro. He could run a successful team’s offense as the head guy. Neither of the other two could. He’s a creator; solid AST%. Only downside is a weak FTr.

My inclination was PJ having done zero research, but he’s actually underperformed in a bigger role (Bridges gone) this year. It’s hard for me to give Keldon his roses when it feels obvious that Pop is inflating his value since his team has been ass. Keldon is a nice role player on a winning team, but he’s currently on the deans list at the Tobias Harris School of Tank Commanders.

Kobblehead · Post #1739 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:58 pm

Miles Bridges being gone and LaMelo Ball being out the entire start to the season definitely hurt some of P.J.'s efficiency numbers.

I also see his rebounding and defensive numbers have slipped. I view that as an effort thing. And given that Charlotte and he couldn't agree to an extension, I feel like he's checked out mentally and that's why we're seeing that slippage.

Before this season, P.J. had two straight years of him being a do-it-all beast. So I think he gets back to that on his next team.

Negrodamus · Post #1740 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:04 pm

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Trae is actually stupid. How is he going to find another team that will build the entire team around a tiny, defense allergic, chucking PG?