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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#1721 » by mjkvol » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:58 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think Beal would work on offense with Maxey and Harden. The three of them would really be able to let it fly, especially with Beal adding gravity that Tobias simply didn’t.

The problem would be on defense. We’d need to start Paul Reed with Embiid because we’re already at a size deficit. Having Tucker out there would get us killed, particularly on the board.


Here's the question - do you believe that team could contend for a championship? You have three primary guys, two of whom often shrink in big spots, and one whose next big game would be his first. And those three all need the ball, unless Nurse is some sort of magician who can transform Beal into an off the ball, Steph-esque catch and shoot demon, and convince Embiid to sacrifice his offense and play more of a Bam 2nd-3rd bail out option on offense.

And defense is where the nightmare really kicks in.
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Post#1722 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:59 pm

No way we have a top 10 defense starting Harden and Beal. Beal is a terrible defender. It would be nonstop penetration putting pressure on Embiid to clean up the mess.
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Post#1723 » by Mik317 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:33 pm

as stated in another thread

Beal only can happen as a Harden walks plan B IMO.

No way both guys can be on the team.....
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Post#1724 » by sixers hoops » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:37 pm

76ciology wrote:Giannis in 2019: won mvp; no ring
Giannis in 2020: won mvp; no ring
Giannis in 2021: no mvp; won ring
Jokic in 2021: won mvp; no ring
Jokic in 2022: won mvp; no ring
Jokic in 2023: no mvp; won ring
Embiid in 2023: won mvp; no ring


So we have to wait until 2025? :(
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Post#1725 » by Mik317 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:54 pm

hey but two MVPs tho
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Post#1726 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:48 pm

Arsenal wrote:No way we have a top 10 defense starting Harden and Beal. Beal is a terrible defender. It would be nonstop penetration putting pressure on Embiid to clean up the mess.


We just had a top-10 D starting Harden/Maxey and Cleveland just had the #1 D starting Garland/Mitchell. If you get the right system and pieces it’s absolutely achievable.
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Post#1727 » by FireMorey » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:10 am

Why I decided it's best for the Sixers to try to win with Embiid and Harden, barring an unforeseen upgrade that becomes available that no one saw coming.

After the playoffs end, people tend to go into extreme recency bias mode and put way too much into each playoffs. For example, if your team has a great 3 point shooting team all season, but get knocked out in a series where your 3 point shooting struggled, the fan base will be like "Our 3 point shooting sucks and is overrated, we need more shooters!!" when in reality you had one bad series shooting and are just way overemphasizing it because it's the series you remember most recently and sticks in your head the most.

After these playoffs at first I was like the Sixers will never win with Embiid and Harden because they don't have what it takes, but thinking about it more, every player in the NBA looks like they don't have what it takes when you remember them at their worst. And I think fans put too much into this innate "winner or loser mentality" stuff when it's not really that black and white. Everyone is a loser... until they're not. But what about guys who win championships playing below their regular season level? Are they losers? Would Embiid still be a playoff choker if some of his teammates hit a few more shots in game 6? Not to mention he was injured.

I think whenever the playoffs end, fans need something to blame their failures on. Something tangible they can point to and say "See? That's what's wrong with the team! Now let's go out and make it better!" It's probably some innate human thing. We're wired to problem solve and to problem solve there needs to be problems we think we can fix. But aside from needing more talent, which is a given... talent is the one mandatory thing you can't win without, the thing that most decides winning and losing in the playoffs is circumstance.

People don't like to accept that because it's not something you can strategize around fixing. It makes us feel powerless that a big part of winning and losing is something totally out of your team's control. The Raptors don't win a title if Durant doesn't tear his achilles and Klay doesn't blow out his knee.

Take another Philly team... the Eagles. They don't win in 2017 if a ball doesn't bounce of Keanu Neal's knee and land right in Torrey Smith's chest vs Atlanta. Or Foles recovering a fumble on the goal line just in time before a Falcons defender could pounce on it. Or possibly playing Drew Brees and the Saints instead of crappy Case Keenum. Or Graham's strip sack in the Super Bowl bouncing right to Derek Barnett. The Eagles for years never had circumstance fall in their favor and that year they did.

The Sixers have been a hair short several times. Lost in games 7, 6, 7 in the last 3 years. They weren't dominated. They didn't get blown out. Just one small thing going in their favor that didn't could've changed their fortunes. That's sports. People don't want to admit that, but it's true. The Sixers biggest need aside from better players isn't getting "dawgs" who have that "winning gene." It's having things go their way for once. For starters, how about Embiid getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs 100% healthy? Would the Nuggets have won this year if Jokic or Murray played on a torn LCL? Who knows, it' s hard to say and that's the point. We simply don't know how things may have been differently if Embiid had been healthy.

I say the Sixers should keep knocking on the door and maybe one of these years they'll get that answer and have things go their way for once. And if not, oh well. Start Process 2.0 in 5 years and do it all over again. But the Sixers are not far off. And if they keep Harden, they may even be less far off if Nurse can improve them and say the Bucks lose Lopez and the Celtics lose Brown. But even if they don't, one small thing going in their favor could turn the tide.
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Post#1728 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:28 am

Harden and Embiid have disappointed basically every year they’ve been in the playoffs their entire careers. One of them can’t even lead a team to a conference finals. At this point, no one is overreacting to anything.
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Post#1729 » by Stanford » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:55 am

Mik317 wrote:hey but two MVPs tho


I can't even imagine what Embiid's season would have to look like to win MVP again. He'd have to average 50.
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Post#1730 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:26 am

Harden has been here two playoff series and Tobias like 5 or 6 enough is enough. Now it's time to put Embiid under the microscope.

Even tho Maxey is young he needs to get the keys like Jrue Holiday did or didn't have. Maxey very versatile and very hardworking we need to showcase him.

Is Embiid mature enough right now to lead us to a chip. We need to take a step back and discover this...

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Post#1731 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:36 am

I dont know what’s to like with Beal’s game. Is it because he looks to be a good DHO partner for Biid on paper?
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Post#1732 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:20 am

Jonathan feigan rockets decade long beat writer no chance Houston is going over three years and that’s a stretch. It’s most likely 2 years.. The Rockets are looking to have acquire atleast two all stars for next season. Feigan believes phoenix interest is real but James will ultimately stay in Philadelphia… he genuinely likes Embiid and loves morey..


Morey called his bluff it seemes and probably isn’t going over 2 years…
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Post#1733 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:23 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:Jonathan feigan rockets decade long beat writer no chance Houston is going over three years and that’s a stretch. It’s most likely 2 years.. The Rockets are looking to have acquire atleast two all stars for next season. Feigan believes phoenix interest is real but James will ultimately stay in Philadelphia… he genuinely likes Embiid and loves morey


Does it sound like Rox suddenly has a change of heart or was there always been there plan?

If Rox is offering not more than 2 years then do you think Sixers will offer more? If Rox and Sixers just offer the same number of years, this means Sixers has the advantage right?
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Post#1734 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:24 am

76ciology wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:Jonathan feigan rockets decade long beat writer no chance Houston is going over three years and that’s a stretch. It’s most likely 2 years.. The Rockets are looking to have acquire atleast two all stars for next season. Feigan believes phoenix interest is real but James will ultimately stay in Philadelphia… he genuinely likes Embiid and loves morey


Does it sound like Rox suddenly has a change of heart or was there always been there plan?

If Rox is offering not more than 2 years then do you think Sixers will offer more? If Rox and Sixers just offer the same number of years, this means Sixers has the advantage right?

I don’t think Houston was ever giving him 4 years max money.2 years probably or three years. Morey will offer him the same .. 2 years at 42 million a year at max… 2 years at 85 million at max


I just hope Morey dosent lose his mind and trade for Beal to form a big three with Harden/Embiid….. I believe maxey is a beast and will take the next step in the next two year to be the second guy or form a big three. Trade Tobias for another good piece sure but trading maxey is malpractice. I have really grown to like him and his upside
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Post#1735 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:29 am

Out of prime Harden was the best point guard in the league lol kinda wide considering the historical scorer he is... He really adjusted his game extremely like few superstars ever.
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Post#1736 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:34 am

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Out of prime Harden was the best point guard in the league lol kinda wide considering the historical scorer he is... He really adjusted his game extremely like few superstars ever.

Harden is actually a better playmaker than a scorer. He was a point guard in Arizona and was the chief playmaker in OKC.
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Post#1737 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:39 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:Jonathan feigan rockets decade long beat writer no chance Houston is going over three years and that’s a stretch. It’s most likely 2 years.. The Rockets are looking to have acquire atleast two all stars for next season. Feigan believes phoenix interest is real but James will ultimately stay in Philadelphia… he genuinely likes Embiid and loves morey


Does it sound like Rox suddenly has a change of heart or was there always been there plan?

If Rox is offering not more than 2 years then do you think Sixers will offer more? If Rox and Sixers just offer the same number of years, this means Sixers has the advantage right?

I don’t think Houston was ever giving him 4 years max money.2 years probably or three years. Morey will offer him the same .. 2 years at 42 million a year at max… 2 years at 85 million at max


I just hope Morey dosent lose his mind and trade for Beal to form a big three with Harden/Embiid….. I believe maxey is a beast and will take the next step in the next two year to be the second guy or form a big three. Trade Tobias for another good piece sure but trading maxey is malpractice. I have really grown to like him and his upside


I dont see Morey trading for Beal. Atleast for RW, his numbers can back it up.

I just wonder why this Rox only wanting to give him 2 years is just coming out now.

My gut feel is Harden thought or was told Rox would give him a 4 year deal in the middle of the year. Harden then went from “sacrifice for a championship” to “prove im a 4 year supermax guy”. I think the jury is out with the Rox where their FO thinks he hasn’t shown that he’s a 4 year supermax guy. Just my gut feel, i could be wrong
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Post#1738 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:49 am

76ciology wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Does it sound like Rox suddenly has a change of heart or was there always been there plan?

If Rox is offering not more than 2 years then do you think Sixers will offer more? If Rox and Sixers just offer the same number of years, this means Sixers has the advantage right?

I don’t think Houston was ever giving him 4 years max money.2 years probably or three years. Morey will offer him the same .. 2 years at 42 million a year at max… 2 years at 85 million at max


I just hope Morey dosent lose his mind and trade for Beal to form a big three with Harden/Embiid….. I believe maxey is a beast and will take the next step in the next two year to be the second guy or form a big three. Trade Tobias for another good piece sure but trading maxey is malpractice. I have really grown to like him and his upside


I dont see Morey trading for Beal. Atleast for RW, his numbers can back it up.

I just wonder why this Rox only wanting to give him 2 years is just coming out now.

My gut feel is Harden thought or was told Rox would give him a 4 year deal in the middle of the year. Harden then went from “sacrifice for a championship” to “prove im a 4 year supermax guy”. I think the jury is out with the Rox where their FO thinks he hasn’t shown that he’s a 4 year supermax guy. Just my gut feel, i could be wrong

Feigans reasoning is Houston believes he will not be able to keep this level of play beyond 2 years. The entire interview is on rednation hoops podcast with salman Ali .. he also states he never believed the Rockets are offering him 4 years max money..

He thinks it’s 60 percent chance he will re-sign in Philadelphia and less then 30 he will return to Htown .. 10 percent phoenix because getting to Phoenix is just hard to facilitate money wise but the interest is real from both sides.

When it comes to Rockets Jonathan is as plugged as it gets. He has been working the sidelines for well over two decades
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Post#1739 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:55 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:I don’t think Houston was ever giving him 4 years max money.2 years probably or three years. Morey will offer him the same .. 2 years at 42 million a year at max… 2 years at 85 million at max


I just hope Morey dosent lose his mind and trade for Beal to form a big three with Harden/Embiid….. I believe maxey is a beast and will take the next step in the next two year to be the second guy or form a big three. Trade Tobias for another good piece sure but trading maxey is malpractice. I have really grown to like him and his upside


I dont see Morey trading for Beal. Atleast for RW, his numbers can back it up.

I just wonder why this Rox only wanting to give him 2 years is just coming out now.

My gut feel is Harden thought or was told Rox would give him a 4 year deal in the middle of the year. Harden then went from “sacrifice for a championship” to “prove im a 4 year supermax guy”. I think the jury is out with the Rox where their FO thinks he hasn’t shown that he’s a 4 year supermax guy. Just my gut feel, i could be wrong

Feigans reasoning is Houston believes he will not be able to keep this level of play beyond 2 years. The entire interview is on rednation hoops podcast with salman Ali .. he also states he never believed the Rockets are offering him 4 years max money..

He thinks it’s 60 percent chance he will re-sign in Philadelphia and less then 30 he will return to Htown .. 10 percent phoenix because getting to Phoenix is just hard to facilitate money wise but the interest is real from both sides.

When it comes to Rockets Jonathan is as plugged as it gets. He has been working the sidelines for well over two decades


Ok then. I should change my mindset now to expecting Harden to be back and trying to build around a team with Harden and Embiid. Thanks For the info and will check the podcast later
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Post#1740 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:58 am

76ciology wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
I dont see Morey trading for Beal. Atleast for RW, his numbers can back it up.

I just wonder why this Rox only wanting to give him 2 years is just coming out now.

My gut feel is Harden thought or was told Rox would give him a 4 year deal in the middle of the year. Harden then went from “sacrifice for a championship” to “prove im a 4 year supermax guy”. I think the jury is out with the Rox where their FO thinks he hasn’t shown that he’s a 4 year supermax guy. Just my gut feel, i could be wrong

Feigans reasoning is Houston believes he will not be able to keep this level of play beyond 2 years. The entire interview is on rednation hoops podcast with salman Ali .. he also states he never believed the Rockets are offering him 4 years max money..

He thinks it’s 60 percent chance he will re-sign in Philadelphia and less then 30 he will return to Htown .. 10 percent phoenix because getting to Phoenix is just hard to facilitate money wise but the interest is real from both sides.

When it comes to Rockets Jonathan is as plugged as it gets. He has been working the sidelines for well over two decades


Ok then. I should change my mindset now to expecting Harden to be back and trying to build around a team with Harden and Embiid. Thanks For the info and will check the podcast later

The fact Nurse visited Harden last week in his Houston home just a few days ago is definitely a sign

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