** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread **

[ProcessDoctor]

If that’s really Morey’s list, then agreed go straight to Ingram. What the cost gonna be? Would be okay with two 1sts for Ingram, although it’s not great. More than that, and we’re looking at the Tobias trade all over again.

Why is Morey leaking all over the place? Someone over there, I assume it’s him but maybe it’s Elton, talks way too much. Play the damn cards way closer to your chest, Morey. You can give reporters stories without giving them information.

Ingram is a great example of a distressed asset. One year ago I think most people would’ve killed to acquire him in a Harden trade.

For example, think of Aaron Gordon’s value now vs when he was traded to Denver. Nobody wanted him. Turns out he was just in the wrong situation. It’s extremely difficult to get a good-great player at their peak.

Ingram is a connector for Maxey and Embiid the way Gordon is to Murray and Jokic. None of them are the same players, but the way they fit together I think enhances each of their individual abilities.

I don't see the analogy there. Gordon is an elite role player, Ingram is mostly a scorer who needs the ball in his hands and I don't see how he makes Maxey or Embiid materially better. Oh, and he also needs a raise soon.

Like I mentioned, not in terms of playstyle or skillset, but in terms of filling voids the main two stars don't provide. I think Ingram would add a half-court presence this team hasn't had since Jimmy Butler. Someone else who can have the ball in their hands when the game slows down and can make plays for himself and others.

[Jailblazers7]

I don’t really know what to make of our superstar dreams but the role players I’d like to see us explore are:

Patrick Williams
Precious Achiuwa
Naji Marshall
Jae’Sean Tate
Saddiq Bey
Dario Saric

[GutUNC]

Ingram is a great example of a distressed asset. One year ago I think most people would’ve killed to acquire him in a Harden trade.

For example, think of Aaron Gordon’s value now vs when he was traded to Denver. Nobody wanted him. Turns out he was just in the wrong situation. It’s extremely difficult to get a good-great player at their peak.

Ingram is a connector for Maxey and Embiid the way Gordon is to Murray and Jokic. None of them are the same players, but the way they fit together I think enhances each of their individual abilities.

I don't see the analogy there. Gordon is an elite role player, Ingram is mostly a scorer who needs the ball in his hands and I don't see how he makes Maxey or Embiid materially better. Oh, and he also needs a raise soon.

Like I mentioned, not in terms of playstyle or skillset, but in terms of filling voids the main two stars don't provide. I think Ingram would add a half-court presence this team hasn't had since Jimmy Butler. Someone else who can have the ball in their hands when the game slows down and can make plays for himself and others.

Yeah, I noted that, but I don't see what adding a 3rd guys who's best with the ball in his hands does to fill a void. I mean, obviously adding any good player makes you better in a vacuum but the perfect fit is a 2-way guy who is a strong catch-and-shoot guy and Ingram doesn't give you much defensively, isn't a prolific 3-point shooter and is about to get a big raise.

[PhillyFan11]

I don’t really know what to make of our superstar dreams but the role players I’d like to see us explore are:

Patrick Williams
Precious Achiuwa
Naji Marshall
Jae’Sean Tate
Saddiq Bey
Dario Saric

I’ve been mentioning Bey a lot, but didn’t realize he tore his ACL a couple of months ago. He might miss a lot of the season and who knows what you’re getting when/if he comes back after the all-star break

Another RFA that’s interesting is Obi Toppin. He seems to be ascending after getting away from Tibs in NY. Could be a relatively cheap stretch 4 option if the other positions are filled well. Also possible the Pacers could be hesitant to match a decent offer for their backup 4 after likely maxing Siakam.

[ProcessDoctor]

I don't see the analogy there. Gordon is an elite role player, Ingram is mostly a scorer who needs the ball in his hands and I don't see how he makes Maxey or Embiid materially better. Oh, and he also needs a raise soon.

Like I mentioned, not in terms of playstyle or skillset, but in terms of filling voids the main two stars don't provide. I think Ingram would add a half-court presence this team hasn't had since Jimmy Butler. Someone else who can have the ball in their hands when the game slows down and can make plays for himself and others.

Yeah, I noted that, but I don't see what adding a 3rd guys who's best with the ball in his hands does to fill a void. I mean, obviously adding any good player makes you better in a vacuum but the perfect fit is a 2-way guy who is a strong catch-and-shoot guy and Ingram doesn't give you much defensively, isn't a prolific 3-point shooter and is about to get a big raise.

If there’s a 3rd star available who’s a catch-and shoot guy, can create for himself + others, and isn’t 34 or older then sign me up.

[eyeatoma]

Like I mentioned, not in terms of playstyle or skillset, but in terms of filling voids the main two stars don't provide. I think Ingram would add a half-court presence this team hasn't had since Jimmy Butler. Someone else who can have the ball in their hands when the game slows down and can make plays for himself and others.

Yeah, I noted that, but I don't see what adding a 3rd guys who's best with the ball in his hands does to fill a void. I mean, obviously adding any good player makes you better in a vacuum but the perfect fit is a 2-way guy who is a strong catch-and-shoot guy and Ingram doesn't give you much defensively, isn't a prolific 3-point shooter and is about to get a big raise.

If there’s a 3rd star available who’s a catch-and shoot guy, can create for himself + others, and isn’t 34 or older then sign me up.

Lauri and Mikal, those are the two I'd be willing to give up 4 picks for.

[Mik317]

whoever ends up the 3rd guy honestly just has to be better and more consistent than Tobias. I don't care about how bad the contract will age just like I don't care about Biid aging poorly honestly. If it gets to that point we are probably **** anyway lol so who gives a **** lol.

PG's skillset is the easiest fit and we'd still have assets to potentially get a fourth guy. Jimmy is a guy who can get his own and while he is an unwilling shooter, teams won't just leave him on an island and he has enough ball skills to make teams pay for that via a drive or simple step in anyway. Ingram is a guy who I have called skinny Tobias and I stand by that BUT again teams won't ever let him just stand out there and his mid range game isn't based on long hi post ups so there is that and he is young still. Bron might be too ball dominant but he is LeBron **** James still even at his advanced age...again teams won't just leave him. So yeah any of the "targets" all fill a role that Tobias' game never really meshed with even if not all of them are elite shooters.

its the smaller unforeseen moves that really matter and while we can guess on those...most of those will probably come out of nowhere or be cheaper than expected.

[JustBuzzin]

Hearing some rumors on a possible LeBron/PG package deal to Philly.

[eyeatoma]

Hearing some rumors on a possible LeBron/PG package deal to Philly.

Going to need to send a link if you're saying something like that haha!

[zaz102]

I hate to break it to you, but LeBron and PG is virtually impossible with the cap space remaining.

[GutUNC]

Like I mentioned, not in terms of playstyle or skillset, but in terms of filling voids the main two stars don't provide. I think Ingram would add a half-court presence this team hasn't had since Jimmy Butler. Someone else who can have the ball in their hands when the game slows down and can make plays for himself and others.

Yeah, I noted that, but I don't see what adding a 3rd guys who's best with the ball in his hands does to fill a void. I mean, obviously adding any good player makes you better in a vacuum but the perfect fit is a 2-way guy who is a strong catch-and-shoot guy and Ingram doesn't give you much defensively, isn't a prolific 3-point shooter and is about to get a big raise.

If there’s a 3rd star available who’s a catch-and shoot guy, can create for himself + others, and isn’t 34 or older then sign me up.

For sure, and I'm willing to settle on 1 of those, maybe even 2. But I don't see the point in getting none of the 3.

[GutUNC]

I hate to break it to you, but LeBron and PG is virtually impossible with the cap space remaining.

LeBron's going to take a discount. Already heard he's got the kids registered at Malvern Prep.

[Foshan]

Hearing some rumors on a possible LeBron/PG package deal to Philly.

This actually is the only way that I’d be interested in either, really. That both could be free agents, and we could still have picks to improve the team (tho no salary), is pretty interesting place to be.

Oh man, can’t even let my mind go that way

[Foshan]

Hearing some rumors on a possible LeBron/PG package deal to Philly.

This actually is the only way that I’d be interested in either, really. That both could be free agents, and we could still have picks to improve the team (tho no salary), is pretty interesting place to be.

Oh man, can’t even let my mind go that way

[76ciology]

Tyrese Maxey
Bronny James
Paul George
LeBron James
Joel Embiid

[Foshan]

Tyrese Maxey / Lowry(Min) / Raw guard
MLE- Oubre / Bronny James / Council
Paul George / Bol Bol (Min) / RoCo (Min)
LeBron James / Saric (Min) / Batum (Min)
Joel Embiid / Drummond (Min) / Raw Big man

I could live with that.

[the_process]

How is Rubin slipping each of them at least 100M?

They aren't leaving that much money on the table to come and get booed the first time they lose a game.

[mjkvol]

Suddenly, just handing George the full max and filling out the roster with vet mins isn't sounding so bad, after all.

[FlightBrothers]

Miles Bridges is looking more and more palatable.

26 years old, big, athletic, willing shooter, only costs capspace to acquire.

I like him paired with Monk

[ProcessDoctor]

I wonder what the market difference will be for Gary Trent Jr. and Malik Monk this summer. Both questionable fits next to Maxey but could be fun 6th man options. Hard to justify $20 mil for a 6th man when we don’t even have starters though.