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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1741 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:17 am

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Sixersftw wrote:Wtf is going on? This is complete madness. For as good as BC has been the last 72 hours, this is where I miss Hinkie. No one was more ready to seperate a foolish GM from his assets and right now there's a lot of foolish GMs.


Yeah, but we are sort of out of the asset collection phase of our process. Taking on Mozgov for Russell would be a step back. Now if the BKN aren't sold on him and willing to take Okafor plus OKC pick then sure.


Yeah.

Hinkie: cap space for DLo
BC: calculated sacrifice of assets for Fultz

Which gives your team better impact?

That cap space could be really useful with a Fultz-Simmons-Embiid selling point


It's our direction now for better or worse. We are now on the clock. These players have a limited shelf life when it comes to their rookie deals and before they eat all our cap. Adding Mozgov just gums up the process. BKN are in the place we were 3 years ago. No respectable free agent will sign with them. So they aren't losing anything by taking on his salary
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1742 » by Foshan » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:22 am

Yeah, I'm not 100% how I would feel if we'd swung that deal... part of me would love the chance to see Russel playing full time SG surrounded by the talent we have

Fultz/Russell/RoCo/Simmons/Embiid would have unreal potential... tho maybe some defensive question marks.

Would I have been willing to eat Mozgov to make that happen... probably.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1743 » by freshie2 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:48 am

Mozgov's contract is a huge bite to take for thw next few years. Not sure it is worth the chance to add Russell.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1744 » by Kolkmania » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:03 am

Foshan wrote:Yeah, I'm not 100% how I would feel if we'd swung that deal... part of me would love the chance to see Russel playing full time SG surrounded by the talent we have

Fultz/Russell/RoCo/Simmons/Embiid would have unreal potential... tho maybe some defensive question marks.

Would I have been willing to eat Mozgov to make that happen... probably.


Don't like the Fultz, Russell pairing though. I want two 3&D guys surrounding our trio.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1745 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:31 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Good trade by the Lakers. They will now be able to sign both Paul George and LeBron next offseason. LeBron is leaving Cleveland for the Lakers. That is a done deal.


With what? It's not a two man league anymore.


The Lakers would have more than two players. LeBron George Ball Ingram.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1746 » by Wilfried » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:36 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Good trade by the Lakers. They will now be able to sign both Paul George and LeBron next offseason. LeBron is leaving Cleveland for the Lakers. That is a done deal.


With what? It's not a two man league anymore.


The Lakers would have more than two players. LeBron George Ball Ingram.


Still 4-0 for GSW

LeBron will be 35 by then BTW
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1747 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:07 pm

It's going to be challenging enough to juggle the usage of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz. Adding Dlo to the equation would be chaotic.
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Post#1748 » by Wilfried » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:19 pm

Kobblehead wrote:It's going to be challenging enough to juggle the usage of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz. Adding Dlo to the equation would be chaotic.


Our core is set with those 3 players, that's clear.

Now we fill it out with good and efficient role players.

KCP comes up to me like a very good fit. Although too expensive?
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1749 » by Sixersftw » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:20 pm

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Foshan wrote:Yeah, I'm not 100% how I would feel if we'd swung that deal... part of me would love the chance to see Russel playing full time SG surrounded by the talent we have

Fultz/Russell/RoCo/Simmons/Embiid would have unreal potential... tho maybe some defensive question marks.

Would I have been willing to eat Mozgov to make that happen... probably.


Don't like the Fultz, Russell pairing though. I want two 3&D guys surrounding our trio.

Agreed, the spacing and, good god, the passing would be unreal but that is 3 guys with questionable defense in the starting lineup. Though, I believe Ben will be a + defender and Fultz should get to average to above average w/ his length.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1750 » by timLH » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:04 pm

Nets give up much to get Russel. I don't see it a great deal for them as others. They just commit too much money to Mozgov.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1751 » by PhilasFinest » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:14 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:It's going to be challenging enough to juggle the usage of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz. Adding Dlo to the equation would be chaotic.


Our core is set with those 3 players, that's clear.

Now we fill it out with good and efficient role players.

KCP comes up to me like a very good fit. Although too expensive?


Yes. I think KCP is too expensive.No way I'm paying near MAX money to a guy to be the 4th-5th option on the team. Just a silly way of spending money IMO unless its on a cheap deal.

We have a very good role player on the roster who just so happens to fit the 3&D mold were looking for, his names Robert Covington. Re-sign him and let him continue to grow with the team.

Cov has been here, is a great teammate, a high volume 3PT shooter and very good perimeter defender who also rebounds well and is a ball hawk. He can defend multiple positions and play 2-4.

Covington should benefit from more open looks with Fultz/Simmons on the floor.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1752 » by KrazySixersD » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:06 pm

IMO covington is integral to this teams future. He fits perfectly with our power 3.. plays D hits 3s can play and defend 3 positions. Must keep at the SF position
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1753 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:00 pm

timLH wrote:Nets give up much to get Russel. I don't see it a great deal for them as others. They just commit too much money to Mozgov.


I don't agree. I think it was a good trade for both teams. Brooklyn has a late first. Russell is better than anyone they would have taken at 27. Good value. Just need to take on salary but they dump Lopez who would have left next year.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1754 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:41 pm

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timLH wrote:Nets give up much to get Russel. I don't see it a great deal for them as others. They just commit too much money to Mozgov.


I don't agree. I think it was a good trade for both teams. Brooklyn has a late first. Russell is better than anyone they would have taken at 27. Good value. Just need to take on salary but they dump Lopez who would have left next year.

Yeah, I don't think that taking on Mozgov's salary bothers them too much, they tried overpaying for FA's last offseason and it didn't work out so may as well just sell their cap space.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1755 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:18 pm

timLH wrote:Nets give up much to get Russel. I don't see it a great deal for them as others. They just commit too much money to Mozgov.


I would have liked them to get another first if I was their GM but I don't think unlike Deng Mozgov is completely done. He's probably a 9ish million player. So they basically took back 27 million in dead money for Russell and a first rounder. Which is alright I guess. I mean there are only so many of these type of deals available. Their cap is a wasteland and it's essentially for two as well because Lopez was dumped.

As long as they don't lose out on a deal because of not having the space to absorb a contract -- it's not a problem. I also think there is a little upside that Mozgov returns to his + .100 ws/48 form. Which instead of backup money would make him probably worth fringe starter money 12-13 then you aren't losing a ton of value anyways. It's not like Mozgov is one of those stiffs Hinkie signed up for that can't play anymore.

The Lakers had one of those plays on the roster actually in Deng. I suspect the Nets would have gotten more if they took him back
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1756 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:13 pm

Rumblings the Celtics wanna trade down again and take Dennis Smith. If that happens again, Thomas is definitely gone after next season. Those two don't fit well together at all.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1757 » by sixerhp3 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:20 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Rumblings the Celtics wanna trade down again and take Dennis Smith. If that happens again, Thomas is definitely gone after next season. Those two don't fit well together at all.


As much as I like Fultz, I think DSJ can end up being just as good or even better due to that elite explosiveness, hopefully that doesn't happen.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1758 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:03 pm

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:Rumblings the Celtics wanna trade down again and take Dennis Smith. If that happens again, Thomas is definitely gone after next season. Those two don't fit well together at all.


As much as I like Fultz, I think DSJ can end up being just as good or even better due to that elite explosiveness, hopefully that doesn't happen.


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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1759 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:08 pm

Kobblehead wrote:It's going to be challenging enough to juggle the usage of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz. Adding Dlo to the equation would be chaotic.


I agree Russell would probably be too many cooks unless he decided to be a spot up shooter.

I do think the usage situation is going to be pretty seamless, though. Both Simmons and Fultz seemed to be impressive at getting the ball into the interior from the games I've watched of both. Them running the PnR together (Fultz and Simmons) will probably result in a lot of uncontested baskets for Embiid.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1760 » by PLO » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:50 am

sixerhp3 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Rumblings the Celtics wanna trade down again and take Dennis Smith. If that happens again, Thomas is definitely gone after next season. Those two don't fit well together at all.


As much as I like Fultz, I think DSJ can end up being just as good or even better due to that elite explosiveness, hopefully that doesn't happen.


I don't think going to the Celtics would be great for DSJs development given the glut of players they have and one of his weaknesses is as a catch and shoot player just in terms of technique. Takes too much time finding his range and I figure that's one way he could get playing time behind IT et al. He's going to be really good though if he gets into the right situation and approaches the game professionally
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