2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[kriss73]

Please, someone can give a solid reason why Monk (reaching at #3) will be a better pros than Frank Jackson (late first/ high second round)?

Same age, FJ has better measures (height, wingspan), basically same stats in college.
Is Monk athletism so higher than Frrank's?
I mean: I prefer find a way to come back in the late first and grab Frank J than reaching at #3 for Monk.

I know their per 40 stats looks some sort of similar, but that's not fair at all. Shooting superior percentages on a much higher volume is more impressive.

Stats aside, Jackson was surrounded by shooters like Allen, Kennard and Tatum in comparison with Briscoe, Fox and Gabriel. Also the type of shots were different. Monk did it while running off screens, Jackson shot three's mostly standstill.

Both weren't impressive defensively this season to say the least.

Ok, but is this enough to justify (probably) a whole round between these two prospects?
I ask this because I watched a little bit more Kentucky than Duke.

[Kolkmania]

Please, someone can give a solid reason why Monk (reaching at #3) will be a better pros than Frank Jackson (late first/ high second round)?

Same age, FJ has better measures (height, wingspan), basically same stats in college.
Is Monk athletism so higher than Frrank's?
I mean: I prefer find a way to come back in the late first and grab Frank J than reaching at #3 for Monk.

I know their per 40 stats looks some sort of similar, but that's not fair at all. Shooting superior percentages on a much higher volume is more impressive.

Stats aside, Jackson was surrounded by shooters like Allen, Kennard and Tatum in comparison with Briscoe, Fox and Gabriel. Also the type of shots were different. Monk did it while running off screens, Jackson shot three's mostly standstill.

Both weren't impressive defensively this season to say the least.

Ok, but is this enough to justify (probably) a whole round between these two prospects?
I ask this because I watched a little bit more Kentucky than Duke.

Personal opinion of couse, but I'd say no. I like Monk as a fit for the Sixers, but I don't rate him as a top 7 prospect in this class. Only way he'll be able to justify a #3 pick if one's convinced he has the handles and the vision to function as a secondary playmaker. Perhaps he could develop those skills, but personally I'd rather bet on Smith increasing his efficiency on offense due to better players surrounding him for example.

That said, a players' ranking is context sensitive. From Sixers standpoint I'd rate Malik Monk as ~6 and Frank Jackson top 20.

[BoomBap]

would you give Harry Giles or Bam Adebayo a shot? They could be worth the risk as backup C's

[Unbreakable99]

I'm having mixed emotions about the Celtics' victory. But I'm kinda glad they didn't get murdered again. I don't want Ainge getting so down on his roster that he does something way off the map that it impacts the 76ers. I think they will try hard to trade the pick, but hopefully, if they they keep the pick, they take Fultz.

That game showed how much defense can help. They didn't have to rely on IT and no one was forcing shots. Play sound defense and take efficient shots as well as Cleveland take their foot off the gas and you get a win. That's why if we get good wing defense it should always keep us in games and give us a chance to win even if shots aren't falling for us.

[Kobblehead]

would you give Harry Giles or Bam Adebayo a shot? They could be worth the risk as backup C's

Giles looked like a Bobby Portis clone last year. Either he had no business coming back from the injury when he did or he's lost almost all of his burst. Either way, he's too much of a risk.

I'm not a fan of Bam, either. He looks to be nothing more than an offensive rebounding specialist and pick&roll finisher. He's got some iso post game, too, but that's not super valuable. I think he's a poor rim protector and he's sub-par on the defensive glass.

[BoomBap]

Draftexpress ranks Giles at #28 and Bam at #32. I think especially Giles could be a low risk-high reward player.

We have four 2nd round picks and Jah,Nik and Gerald. We have a lot of assets we can deal on draft night and I really hope, BC is able to use them to get back in the first round. maybe even twice.

[Kobblehead]

I personally value defensive rebounding and rim protection above all else from the C position. So the bigs projected late 1st to the 2nd round that I like are:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Jonathan Jeanne
Alpha Kaba

All are overseas players so can be stashed, if needed.

[Kobblehead]

Kaba seems like such a good fit. He's already 22 so he's the international version of an upperclassmen (aka less demand for his services) and he played on the same team with Luwawu.

[Negrodamus]

Kaba seems like such a good fit. He's already 22 so he's the international version of an upperclassmen (aka less demand for his services) and he played on the same team with Luwawu.

If we draft Kaba and trade for D'Angelo Russell, we can have a Mega Montverde lineup

[smittybanton]

would you give Harry Giles or Bam Adebayo a shot? They could be worth the risk as backup C's

Absolutely. But the question is how much?

Two of my favorite prospects coming into the 2016 ncaa season were fox and adebayo (but not for the Sixers). Fox rose to the occasion, Adebayo not so much. Yet, I still like what he brings to the table and will be more suited to the NBA game where he's a huge man who can actually dribble and pass a little bit as well as finish. Unfortunately, that's all the modern NBA asks. His shot's not broken either. He's the only player in this draft who I think will be plus defender at the five. A healthy Embiid with Adebayo behind him!

That said, I'm not sure I'd take Bam with #10, if we traded back with Sacramento (#5, #10). I don't think there's anyway possible he gets past Chicago at #16. So I'm not sure how to go about getting him. If he's there and Chicago wants Okafor instead, let's do it.

The question is the same with Giles. How much? Fully agile, he was pretty much the consensus #1 talent in the country. He showed flashes, but was slow and tentative. DSJ came back from his surgeries faster and with what looks like the same explosiveness. Will Giles slowly come back? Worth something, but what. Again, if Chicago wants Okafor with #16 and Giles is there, that's a nice gamble. Even a gimpy Giles and Okafor are about the same pick and roll defender, lol.

[the_process]

i want fultz

After the Celtics win tonight no chance he drops. Thomas is a mega liability...this pick just get's them to realize it sooner.

While I agree, it's a bad thing if they actually realize it. I want them to draft Jackson and max out IT and AB. No championships for them.

[Kobblehead]

With the Porzingis mess going on in NY, I wonder if Sacramento calls and offers them #5 and #10.

[76ciology]

With the Porzingis mess going on in NY, I wonder if Sacramento calls and offers them #5 and #10.

Knowing Knicks. They'll only trade KP for some washed up player that can help them sell tickets like Blake Griffin.

[76ciology]

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[JojoSlimbiid]

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If his consistency and aggressiveness matched his measurables/talent level I wouldn't mind him at 3. Even knowing that bringing him along will bring about some stupid oddball lineups.

[Negrodamus]

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My first love

If his consistency and aggressiveness matched his measurables/talent level I wouldn't mind him at 3. Even knowing that bringing him along will bring about some stupid oddball lineups.

What don't you like about the lineups? I feel like he fits quite well with Simmons and Embiid.

[islanders11040]

Interesting take from Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast:

Nate Duncan and Danny LeRoux prospect reviews on Isaac, Tatum and Jackson
Near draft season Nate and Danny do prospect reviews on the top 10 or so prospects after watching detailed game film on each prospect. I especially enjoy Nate's perspective since he watches more NBA than almost anyone and tends to look at prospects at how they would fit in today's NBA. For example his top 3 last year was Simmons, Brown and Murray and he was completely out on Dunn which looks good in retrospect.

Recently they started their draft review on the 3 wings in the 2017 NBA draft. Namely Jayson Tatum, Jonathan Isaac, and Josh Jackson in that order respectively. The prospect reviews are 15-20 minutes long and the links to the 3 reviews and the start time are linked below:

Podcast reviewing Jayson Tatum starts at the 34:55 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/17/lotto-mania-sasgsw-game-2-jayson-tatum-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Jonathan Isaac starts at the 41:23 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/21/conference-finals-all-nba-team-implications-jonathan-isaac-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Josh Jackson starts at the 31:50 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/22/boscle-game-3-josh-jackson-scouting-report

After reviewing the 3 wing prospects they had the following ranking:

Isaac
(big gap)
Tatum
(slight gap)
Jackson

They both agreed that the only wing prospect that might be worth a top 5 pick in this draft is Isaac.

Post courtesy of klutch_shot on reddit

[JojoSlimbiid]

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If his consistency and aggressiveness matched his measurables/talent level I wouldn't mind him at 3. Even knowing that bringing him along will bring about some stupid oddball lineups.

What don't you like about the lineups? I feel like he fits quite well with Simmons and Embiid.

I think Simmons is a 4 and when the dust settles from all the crap they're gonna try to do with him I think that's where he'll end up. Which means ain't no real room for Issac. I consider Covington as much a part of the core as anyone else so if he and Ben are taking 30+ minutes and Saric is getting leftover minutes you end up with nothing for Issac...unless you try what I consider stupid lineups where guys are at the 1 or the 3 or whatever crap you have to do to get guys on the floor. Not worth it for a guy who is as inconsistent and beta like Issac.

[sixerswillrule]

If his consistency and aggressiveness matched his measurables/talent level I wouldn't mind him at 3. Even knowing that bringing him along will bring about some stupid oddball lineups.

What don't you like about the lineups? I feel like he fits quite well with Simmons and Embiid.

I think Simmons is a 4 and when the dust settles from all the crap they're gonna try to do with him I think that's where he'll end up. Which means ain't no real room for Issac. I consider Covington as much a part of the core as anyone else so if he and Ben are taking 30+ minutes and Saric is getting leftover minutes you end up with nothing for Issac...unless you try what I consider stupid lineups where guys are at the 1 or the 3 or whatever crap you have to do to get guys on the floor. Not worth it for a guy who is as inconsistent and beta like Issac.

It depends on Isaac's ability to defend the 3.

Offense
PG - Simmons
SG - X
SF - Covington
PF - Isaac
C - Embiid

Defense
PG - X
SG - Covington
SF - Isaac
PF - Simmons
C - Embiid

[PhilasFinest]

I like Issac, like many say...i think hes got the upside/tools to be one of the best in this draft. Im more worried about his handle and ability to play the 3 in the NBA. I think he may be more ideal as a PF, and if thats the case it worries me a bit.

1.Dario Saric played well to end the season. I know hes limited athletically, but he's scrapp, tough and gets after it. If he dedicates the time to improve his 3 point shots consistency, he can potentially be Kevin Love lite.

2.If Ben Simmons doesn't't transition to the "PG" position, He may end up having to play the 4 in a Draymond/Blake Griffin like role.

I wouldn't hate Issac at all...just have some concerns on his ability to be a bonafide wing in the NBA.