Fantasy Trade Thread

[youngcrev]

If Magic picks Chet. Why not Mo Bamba?

Would you trade Thybulle, Jaden Springer? a guy we pick with 23rd and for Bamba?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Embiid
Bamba

From having the smallest 3-4-5 into the biggest 3-4-5. Those 3 can also shoot.

You can also trade Tobias for a 3&D if you want.

Bamba is a RFA.

And Embiid at PF is silly.

Then S&T?

I dont think Embiid at PF is silly.

We’ve seen signs Embiid and Doc being open to Embiid playing PF with Drummond or Reed at PF/C. While we saw first hand how undersized we are with these modern contenders and the two teams in the finals and last years champ would show we are undersized at 4-5 positions.

“why not just upsize Tobias”?

Yes, but how? Jerami Grant? Christian Wood? I just dont see it for now

No we haven't. And Reed would be the obvious PF in such a pairing.

The team could certainly stand to get longer and more athletic on the wing. Playing a bunch of guys out of position isn't going to help them.

[stormi]

If Magic picks Chet. Why not Mo Bamba?

Would you trade Thybulle, Jaden Springer? a guy we pick with 23rd and for Bamba?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Embiid
Bamba

From having the smallest 3-4-5 into the biggest 3-4-5. Those 3 can also shoot.

You can also trade Tobias for a 3&D if you want.

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

I think it makes Reed/Embiid (or even Wood/Embiid) a more powerful a duo than Bamba/Embiid or Turner/Embiid who are both more traditional paint protectors, where as Reed/Wood are hybrids with athleticism to guard forwards, but with the length and size to help out at the rim.

[76ciology]

If Magic picks Chet. Why not Mo Bamba?

Would you trade Thybulle, Jaden Springer? a guy we pick with 23rd and for Bamba?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Embiid
Bamba

From having the smallest 3-4-5 into the biggest 3-4-5. Those 3 can also shoot.

You can also trade Tobias for a 3&D if you want.

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

I think it makes Reed/Embiid more powerful a duo than Bamba/Embiid who are both more traditional rim protectors, where as Reed is a hybrid with athleticism to guard forwards, but with the length and size to help out at the rim.

Thats possible and i dont mind that

[youngcrev]

If Magic picks Chet. Why not Mo Bamba?

Would you trade Thybulle, Jaden Springer? a guy we pick with 23rd and for Bamba?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Embiid
Bamba

From having the smallest 3-4-5 into the biggest 3-4-5. Those 3 can also shoot.

You can also trade Tobias for a 3&D if you want.

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

I think it makes Reed/Embiid more powerful a duo than Bamba/Embiid who are both more traditional rim protectors, where as Reed is a hybrid with athleticism to guard forwards, but with the length and size to help out at the rim.

This.

You're at a disadvantage asking one of those guys to do so. And you're not gaining any advantage offensively since Bamba against a 4 isn't a mismatch.

If Reed was better, I could see a player of that archetype working well with Embiid. Though I still think quick trigger catch and shoot 3 point shooting is the primary skill you want. Like, if George Niang could actually move and play defense, he'd be an amazing fit.

[Iverson Armband]

If Magic picks Chet. Why not Mo Bamba?

Would you trade Thybulle, Jaden Springer? a guy we pick with 23rd and for Bamba?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Embiid
Bamba

From having the smallest 3-4-5 into the biggest 3-4-5. Those 3 can also shoot.

You can also trade Tobias for a 3&D if you want.

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

I think it makes Reed/Embiid more powerful a duo than Bamba/Embiid who are both more traditional rim protectors, where as Reed is a hybrid with athleticism to guard forwards, but with the length and size to help out at the rim.

This.

You're at a disadvantage asking one of those guys to do so. And you're not gaining any advantage offensively since Bamba against a 4 isn't a mismatch.

If Reed was better, I could see a player of that archetype working well with Embiid. Though I still think quick trigger catch and shoot 3 point shooting is the primary skill you want. Like, if George Niang could actually move and play defense, he'd be an amazing fit.

That’s basically Bobby Porter.

I need to see Reed hone that shot a little more and I’d give him a legit look at that 4 spot if nothing pops off in FA.

[youngcrev]

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

I think it makes Reed/Embiid more powerful a duo than Bamba/Embiid who are both more traditional rim protectors, where as Reed is a hybrid with athleticism to guard forwards, but with the length and size to help out at the rim.

This.

You're at a disadvantage asking one of those guys to do so. And you're not gaining any advantage offensively since Bamba against a 4 isn't a mismatch.

If Reed was better, I could see a player of that archetype working well with Embiid. Though I still think quick trigger catch and shoot 3 point shooting is the primary skill you want. Like, if George Niang could actually move and play defense, he'd be an amazing fit.

That’s basically Bobby Porter.

I need to see Reed hone that shot a little more and I’d give him a legit look at that 4 spot if nothing pops off in FA.

Portis would fit. I don't think he's particularly good, but he'd fit. I also don't think he's going anywhere with the Bucks having his bird rights and not many outlets to add talent.

Also don't think I love him and Harris on the wing. That team would be slow as hell.

[stormi]

This.

You're at a disadvantage asking one of those guys to do so. And you're not gaining any advantage offensively since Bamba against a 4 isn't a mismatch.

If Reed was better, I could see a player of that archetype working well with Embiid. Though I still think quick trigger catch and shoot 3 point shooting is the primary skill you want. Like, if George Niang could actually move and play defense, he'd be an amazing fit.

That’s basically Bobby Porter.

I need to see Reed hone that shot a little more and I’d give him a legit look at that 4 spot if nothing pops off in FA.

Portis would fit. I don't think he's particularly good, but he'd fit. I also don't think he's going anywhere with the Bucks having his bird rights and not many outlets to add talent.

Why's that?

[youngcrev]

That’s basically Bobby Porter.

I need to see Reed hone that shot a little more and I’d give him a legit look at that 4 spot if nothing pops off in FA.

Portis would fit. I don't think he's particularly good, but he'd fit. I also don't think he's going anywhere with the Bucks having his bird rights and not many outlets to add talent.

Why's that?

He's a serviceable defender that can rebound and make a spot up jumper. I don't think he impacts either side of the ball very dramatically one way or the other. He's fine. I don't think he's bad. But he's a below average starter IMO.

[stormi]

Portis would fit. I don't think he's particularly good, but he'd fit. I also don't think he's going anywhere with the Bucks having his bird rights and not many outlets to add talent.

Why's that?

He's a serviceable defender that can rebound and make a spot up jumper. I don't think he impacts either side of the ball very dramatically one way or the other. He's fine. I don't think he's bad. But he's a below average starter IMO.

How would you compare the impact he provides to Tobias Harris in the same role?

[76ciology]

It’s not just mobility, but also be able to carry the team’s defense.

This is just so we can still play great defense if..
- embiid steps out to the perimeter
- embiid is fatigue because of scoring
- embiid is spiritually absent

Thats the tricky thing with building around embiid, you need to factor the jekyl and hyde of Embiid.

Can you play great defense if..

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Lethargic Embiid
Paul Reed or Portis

Maybe try to upgrade Tobias with Jerami Grant?

Harden
Maxey
Jerami Grant
Lethargic Embiid
Paul Reed or Portis

If you want to just merely have Reed or Portis-like big to play with Embiid, then you need a Jerami Grant type SF.

[76ciology]

How do you have less lethargic embiid ball games?

Let him play a small role on defense.

[youngcrev]

Why's that?

He's a serviceable defender that can rebound and make a spot up jumper. I don't think he impacts either side of the ball very dramatically one way or the other. He's fine. I don't think he's bad. But he's a below average starter IMO.

How would you compare the impact he provides to Tobias Harris in the same role?

I wouldn't? I don't really think they're that comparable.
Tobias is a far more capable offensive player, and by the end of the year was a better defender as well.

I'll certainly take Portis on a bang for you buck basis, particularly if I can distribute those dollars elsewhere.

[stormi]

He's a serviceable defender that can rebound and make a spot up jumper. I don't think he impacts either side of the ball very dramatically one way or the other. He's fine. I don't think he's bad. But he's a below average starter IMO.

How would you compare the impact he provides to Tobias Harris in the same role?

I wouldn't? I don't really think they're that comparable.
Tobias is a far more capable offensive player, and by the end of the year was a better defender as well.

You said this way too assuredly for me to feel like you were being all the way serious.

Portis shoots more 3's at a better clip, generates more steals and blocks, is more efficient and is a much better rebounder.

What makes Harris more impactful on both sides of the ball? (in the context of fitting into a role as a player insulating a star - which is of the bracket they both lie)

[youngcrev]

How would you compare the impact he provides to Tobias Harris in the same role?

I wouldn't? I don't really think they're that comparable.
Tobias is a far more capable offensive player, and by the end of the year was a better defender as well.

You said this way too assuredly for me to feel like you were being all the way serious.

Portis shoots more 3's at a better clip, generates more steals and blocks, is more efficient and is a much better rebounder.

What makes Harris more impactful on both sides of the ball? (in the context of fitting into a role as a player insulating a star - which is of the bracket they both lie)

Because they don't play the same role. Harris is a heavy minute starter with greater responsibilities on both ends of the floor.

[76ciology]

2022 playoffs

Bobby Portis:
10ppg
.8 spg
.8bpg
1.2 3s per game on 29% shooting
-.3 DBPM -.5BPM

Tobias Harris:
17ppg
1.1spg
.8bph
1.8 3s per game on 38% shooting
1.4 DBPM 3BPM

I think Portis is overrated and Tobias is underrated

I dont think both are good fit for Embiid as frontcourt partner

But between the two, I think Tobias has future with Embiid at the 3 than Portis has future with Embiid at the 4

If you want to roll with Embiid, you need someone that allows him to just focus on being GOAT Dirk 2.0 on offense in the playoffs by letting Embiid play with a C who can anchor the defense.

[76ciology]

I kind of see your vision trying to recreate Giannis/Lopez or Mobley/Allen or Timelord/Horford. I think the thing is that one of them has to be able to guard the perimeter for long stretches of time in this tandem, and I don't see that with Bamba or Embiid.

Was Draymond or Al Horford chasing guards the perimeter for long stretches of the game?

I think Embiid can play that Draymond and Al role on defense. If he can, then he can play next to a Kevin Looney or Grant/Robert Williams

And if Embiid can play with a Looney/Grant Williams, you get less frequency of getting the lethargic version of him and you get more frequency of getting a reliable scorer of him.

Yes, he can continue this gimmick of not jumping on rebounds or protect the rim if he plays with a lonney/grant williams type player

Same can be said with Siakam who was at the corner sticked with Tobias and the weak link on the early games onf that Raps series

[stormi]

I wouldn't? I don't really think they're that comparable.
Tobias is a far more capable offensive player, and by the end of the year was a better defender as well.

You said this way too assuredly for me to feel like you were being all the way serious.

Portis shoots more 3's at a better clip, generates more steals and blocks, is more efficient and is a much better rebounder.

What makes Harris more impactful on both sides of the ball? (in the context of fitting into a role as a player insulating a star - which is of the bracket they both lie)

Because they don't play the same role. Harris is a heavy minute starter with greater responsibilities on both ends of the floor.

"The same role" doesn't exist because we aren't making a direct comparison between controlled environments.

Harris playing big minutes because he was on a team that couldn't trust a singular non starter to stay on the floor for more than 20 minutes per game in the playoffs, isn't comparable to Portis playing on a deep Bucks team that had 8 players play 20 or more minutes per game in the playoffs.

That also has no bearing on how well they performed in their roles irrespective of circumstance and is a pretty vapid way to compare the abilities between two players.

Any basketball reasons?

[76ciology]

Sixers have two ways to solve this.
It’s not A or B, it’s either A or B.

Either slide Embiid to 4 or Embiid at 5 and get lengthy/big 3&4s.

Lengthy/big 3&4 is more expensive than a oversupplied 5s.

[76ciology]

Why not just have both Bobby Portis and Tobias?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Portis
Embiid

That would solve it then.

If you guys say Portis can play defense at 4 at long duration, if you guys think Reed-Embiid can work. And we’ve seen Ben-Biid work on offense. Why can’t this squad work?

[stormi]

Why not just have both Bobby Portis and Tobias?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Portis
Embiid

That would solve it then.

If you guys say Portis can play defense at 4 at long duration, if you guys think Reed-Embiid can work. And we’ve seen Ben-Biid work on offense. Why can’t this squad work?

I think both of them are genuine 4's. Except Bobby helps out a lot more at the rim.

We tried Harris at the 3 in 2020 with Al and Jo and it was just a clogged mess. He just doesn't have the footspeed to chase around the quicker forwards that would victimize him on the perimeter.

I think if we were running Harden/Maxey/(x)/(y)/Embiid - where's (y) is some forward (Harris/Portis/Boucher/Grant) - (x) would have to be some sort of perimeter defending ace that can spray 3's. Essentially Thybulle's current role, but he's just so inept offensively he can't be trusted to close games. Like a Prime Danny Green.

Wendell Moore? :p