Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[youngcrev]

Fill in the blank

Replace Tobias with _______

Then explain why it will solve our problem on defense and rebounding

So far im seeing John Collins and Marcus Morris.

I like Collins, and I even thought we would land him during the deadline.

I think Morris is more optics than someone who can solve our problem.

Some say Reed, which I’d also prefer but Im not confident.

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

[76ciology]

Fill in the blank

Replace Tobias with _______

Then explain why it will solve our problem on defense and rebounding

So far im seeing John Collins and Marcus Morris.

I like Collins, and I even thought we would land him during the deadline.

I think Morris is more optics than someone who can solve our problem.

Some say Reed, which I’d also prefer but Im not confident.

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

[youngcrev]

Fill in the blank

Replace Tobias with _______

Then explain why it will solve our problem on defense and rebounding

So far im seeing John Collins and Marcus Morris.

I like Collins, and I even thought we would land him during the deadline.

I think Morris is more optics than someone who can solve our problem.

Some say Reed, which I’d also prefer but Im not confident.

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

Outside of Embiid, Harris is our most balanced starter in terms of offense/defense and being able to play on and off the ball. If you were going to move a starter to the bench, I imagine it would be Maxey so that you could ramp up his usage and remove a defensive/size issue. At this point I don't think you have the luxury of doing that with any of these guys since you don't really even have a quality 5th starter.

[SixthStreet]

My opinion is you need rebounding and secondary rim protection out of the 4 next to Embiid. Reed is an imperfect option because he doesn't rebound quite enough but I'm pretty sure we'd be more playoff fit if we let him grow into the starting 4 all season.

Reed is a worse player than Harris, much better fit for the lineup, and ultimately better team. If I were confident Rivers would use Reed for 28+ minutes in a starting role, I'd tell Harris to sit at home and wait for a trade if he doesn't agree to coming off the bench.

I come from a place where I think defense and defensive rebounding is our far bigger problem than offense so I look at solutions to that as much more important than offensive factors like floor spacing.

[mjkvol]

Fill in the blank

Replace Tobias with _______

Then explain why it will solve our problem on defense and rebounding

So far im seeing John Collins and Marcus Morris.

I like Collins, and I even thought we would land him during the deadline.

I think Morris is more optics than someone who can solve our problem.

Some say Reed, which I’d also prefer but Im not confident.

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

I see you guys calling Tobias a good player, but isn't that relative to the situation? Here, he is maybe an okay player, but no more than that.

If he was a good player, we would be able to lean on him on big games when our 'big 3' are having down games, ala Wiggins on this series. It's been proven here that isn't going to happen.

Now he's making noise about wanting to be more of an option offensively? At best, he fills that defense/rebounding/3 pt. role, but even there he's not more than decent at best.

Listen, it's possible that a deal won't be there and we'll be saddled with him another year, which would be an off season fail. But let's not pretend that he's any more than he is, which is an average player with a bloated contract and ego, not a good combination.

[youngcrev]

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

I see you guys calling Tobias a good player, but isn't that relative to the situation? Here, he is maybe an okay player, but no more than that.

If he was a good player, we would be able to lean on him on big games when our 'big 3' are having down games, ala Wiggins on this series. It's been proven here that isn't going to happen.

Now he's making noise about wanting to be more of an option offensively? At best, he fills that defense/rebounding/3 pt. role, but even there he's not more than decent at best.

Listen, it's possible that a deal won't be there and we'll be saddled with him another year, which would be an off season fail. But let's not pretend that he's any more than he is, which is an average player with a bloated contract and ego, not a good combination.

He just averaged 17 a game as a 4th option on good efficiency in the playoffs while defending the opposing team's best player in both series.

Yes, he was a good player for us. Saying otherwise feels kinda silly, and is clouding the reality of the situation.

The main problem with Tobias is the contract, and that's been the case since the day he signed it. If they can use him in a trade that gets us a better player or one that provides better depth, they should do it.

[mjkvol]

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

I see you guys calling Tobias a good player, but isn't that relative to the situation? Here, he is maybe an okay player, but no more than that.

If he was a good player, we would be able to lean on him on big games when our 'big 3' are having down games, ala Wiggins on this series. It's been proven here that isn't going to happen.

Now he's making noise about wanting to be more of an option offensively? At best, he fills that defense/rebounding/3 pt. role, but even there he's not more than decent at best.

Listen, it's possible that a deal won't be there and we'll be saddled with him another year, which would be an off season fail. But let's not pretend that he's any more than he is, which is an average player with a bloated contract and ego, not a good combination.

He just averaged 17 a game as a 4th option on good efficiency in the playoffs while defending the opposing team's best player in both series.

Yes, he was a good player for us. Saying otherwise feels kinda silly, and is clouding the reality of the situation.

The main problem with Tobias is the contract, and that's been the case since the day he signed it. If they can use him in a trade that gets us a better player or one that provides better depth, they should do it.

As a tank commander where wins aren't an issue and he is a primary option, his empty stats can make him look like a good player. But for what this team needs and lacks, he is decidedly mediocre.

Good player or not, the bottom line is that as long as Tobias is on the roster this team will be 2nd round fodder at best.

[FlyingArrow]

Tobias is a really good 4th option. Not good enough to be a 2nd option. As a 1st option, he's a tank commander.

Here, he's the 4th option. He's really good there. Since his contract makes him a negative asset, I highly doubt that any trade involving Tobias will improve the roster.

[stormi]

Tobias is a really good 4th option. Not good enough to be a 2nd option. As a 1st option, he's a tank commander.

Here, he's the 4th option. He's really good there. Since his contract makes him a negative asset, I highly doubt that any trade involving Tobias will improve the roster.

What makes him a "really good" 4th option?

He shoots sub 35% on corner 3's, has zero athleticism and isn't a good rebounder or passer.

He's just simply empty space.

[Madd Squabbles]

Tobias is a really good 4th option. Not good enough to be a 2nd option. As a 1st option, he's a tank commander.

Here, he's the 4th option. He's really good there. Since his contract makes him a negative asset, I highly doubt that any trade involving Tobias will improve the roster.

What makes him a "really good" 4th option?

He shoots sub 35% on corner 3's, has zero athleticism and isn't a good rebounder or passer.

He's just simply empty space.

Name me 1 player in the entire NBA that can get you 17/7/3.5 on 48/37% shooting as a 4th option.

[Mik317]

guys you are never going to convince storm that Tobias is good lol

[Madd Squabbles]

Would the Hawks laugh at us if we called and offered them:

Hawks get
Tobias Harris
Matisse Thiebulle
#23

Sixers get
John Collins
Bogdan Bogdanovic

This would give us a starting lineup of:

James Harden
Tyrese Maxey
Bogdan Bogdanovic
John Collins
Joel Embiid

Would this lineup make us a contender or are we just treading water?

[ProcessDoctor]

Yea the Hawks didn't want Tobias with Simmons, who they really coveted. I doubt they'll settle for taking his contract on for #23 + Thybulle.

[Madd Squabbles]

Yea the Hawks didn't want Tobias with Simmons, who they really coveted. I doubt they'll settle for taking his contract on for #23 + Thybulle.

I believe we were asking for 2 FRPs as well if memory serves me.

[ProcessDoctor]

Yea the Hawks didn't want Tobias with Simmons, who they really coveted. I doubt they'll settle for taking his contract on for #23 + Thybulle.

I believe we were asking for 2 FRPs as well if memory serves me.

Probably, but I read at one point the inclusion of Harris really turned them off. I just don't know that we can add enough value to Harris to return Collins.

[ProcessDoctor]

So few potential Tobias suitors. I can't think of any besides Dallas, Sacramento, or Utah and even they might be stretches.

[Madd Squabbles]

Yea the Hawks didn't want Tobias with Simmons, who they really coveted. I doubt they'll settle for taking his contract on for #23 + Thybulle.

I believe we were asking for 2 FRPs as well if memory serves me.

Probably, but I read at one point the inclusion of Harris really turned them off. I just don't know that we can add enough value to Harris to return Collins.

Maxey would do it but I know we aren't doing that. What about Thybulle, Springer, and #23?

[ProcessDoctor]

I believe we were asking for 2 FRPs as well if memory serves me.

Probably, but I read at one point the inclusion of Harris really turned them off. I just don't know that we can add enough value to Harris to return Collins.

Maxey would do it but I know we aren't doing that. What about Thybulle, Springer, and #23?

Honestly I could see them having a lot of interest in Thybulle, especially if they fail to land Gobert. I just don't know if they like him enough to take on Harris, but it's worth a shot. I think their direction will be clearer once Gobert is traded.

FWIW I would happily do Harris/Thybulle/#23 for Collins/Bogdanovic. I'd probably use the MLE on a forward like Prince afterward.

Harden/Milton/Springer
Maxey/Bogdanovic/Joe
Prince/Korkmaz/Green
Collins/Niang/(Vet min)
Embiid/Reed/Bassey

Not perfect but probably an upgrade over last year's team. Still probably a versatile F away from being complete.

[Madd Squabbles]

Probably, but I read at one point the inclusion of Harris really turned them off. I just don't know that we can add enough value to Harris to return Collins.

Maxey would do it but I know we aren't doing that. What about Thybulle, Springer, and #23?

Honestly I could see them having a lot of interest in Thybulle, especially if they fail to land Gobert. I just don't know if they like him enough to take on Harris, but it's worth a shot. I think their direction will be clearer once Gobert is traded.

FWIW I would happily do Harris/Thybulle/#23 for Collins/Bogdanovic. I'd probably use the MLE on a forward like Prince afterward.

Harden/Milton/Springer
Maxey/Bogdanovic/Joe
Prince/Korkmaz/Green
Collins/Niang/(Vet min)
Embiid/Reed/Bassey

Not perfect but probably an upgrade over last year's team. Still probably a versatile F away from being complete.

I just proposed this same trade 45 minutes ago. Great minds

[uuaarrgh]

Fill in the blank

Replace Tobias with _______

Then explain why it will solve our problem on defense and rebounding

So far im seeing John Collins and Marcus Morris.

I like Collins, and I even thought we would land him during the deadline.

I think Morris is more optics than someone who can solve our problem.

Some say Reed, which I’d also prefer but Im not confident.

Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.

Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.

Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.