Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[DCasey91]

ZW isn’t half the player LBJ or Giannis is.

Let’s see him play a whole season.

Your right he’s better than Giannis age for age and a level under Lebron.

61 games:

Avg: 27/4.5/3.7
61.1% FG
OWS 7.1
BPM 5.4 (non playoff team)
WS 8.7
WS/48.205

For a 20 year old that is amazing production.

U sure he’s half the player of Giannis/LBJ.

For me he’s a lot closer than people may think. Already is an elite offensive player.

He does put up some numbers when he plays.

How’s his defense?

I see basketball as a resource game with fitting pieces not so much a full team sport like (NFL, Baseball etc). I.e you have X amount of resources for Y dividends.

For example and a good one is Westbrook. Zero point in ever building a team around Westbrook because the dividend isn’t what you want to achieve. There goes all your resources at a 2nd rnd ceiling team maybe a CF if you’re very very lucky and things line up. Don’t care for outliers like that.

I see Zion as a Finals team as the head of the snake so to speak. With the right setup like the above with two 3&D’s and big rebounding production from both to offset Zion/Turner rebounding numbers. Turner + Covington (good blocking numbers for a wing) offsets the team defense to good (top 10 potential). Look at the space here.

Once again he’s the best finisher since Prime Giannis/Prime Lebron. Hulk go smash you can’t stop it.

Once again Jokic + Turner = Finals contender much higher upside than Jokic + MPJ. Why? Because it’s fixing a fundamental flaw that Jokic brings on defense. But on offense he’s already peaked as ATG

One player can’t bring a chip by themselves.

I believe Zion is already absurd offensive output. That’s one side already done. Space and interior defense and you are good to go.

How was Dirk’s/Magic’s defense? Didn’t matter dude ran ATG offense as the hub for a decade. What about Barkley?

No player is perfect but building a perfect team around a high ceiling player is what you should do for every trade, deal, pick etc.

Look at us we have one in Embiid, yet we don’t even have a starting quality SG/PG. we have an argument to be the worst run org in the NBA not close.

That’s literally kid stuff we are talking about here. Like we really have 2/5 (Embiid + Green) of a starting unit.

High usage superstar/Low usage 3+D perfect.

Harris sucks next to Embiid, Ben just compounds the flaws on offense. Hence why this team is a perennial underachiever.

I mean honestly I would take Embiid + Bridges over anything right now that’s 2/5 right there.

Hawks + Suns took two bloody years to max out their ceilings.... we are going on 5 and pretty are at the beginning stages of building a correct team lol. Embiid and..... blank.

[the_process]

Your right he’s better than Giannis age for age and a level under Lebron.

61 games:

Avg: 27/4.5/3.7
61.1% FG
OWS 7.1
BPM 5.4 (non playoff team)
WS 8.7
WS/48.205

For a 20 year old that is amazing production.

U sure he’s half the player of Giannis/LBJ.

For me he’s a lot closer than people may think. Already is an elite offensive player.

He does put up some numbers when he plays.

How’s his defense?

I see basketball as a resource game with fitting pieces not so much a full team sport like (NFL, Baseball etc). I.e you have X amount of resources for Y dividends.

For example and a good one is Westbrook. Zero point in ever building a team around Westbrook because the dividend isn’t what you want to achieve. There goes all your resources at a 2nd rnd ceiling team maybe a CF if you’re very very lucky and things line up. Don’t care for outliers like that.

I see Zion as a Finals team as the head of the snake so to speak. With the right setup like the above with two 3&D’s and big rebounding production from both to offset Zion/Turner rebounding numbers. Turner + Covington (good blocking numbers for a wing) offsets the team defense to good (top 10 potential). Look at the space here.

Once again he’s the best finisher since Prime Giannis/Prime Lebron. Hulk go smash you can’t stop it.

Once again Jokic + Turner = Finals contender much higher upside than Jokic + MPJ. Why? Because it’s fixing a fundamental flaw that Jokic brings on defense. But on offense he’s already peaked as ATG

One player can’t bring a chip by themselves.

I believe Zion is already absurd offensive output. That’s one side already done. Space and interior defense and you are good to go.

How was Dirk’s/Magic’s defense? Didn’t matter dude ran ATG offense as the hub for a decade. What about Barkley?

No player is perfect but building a perfect team around a high ceiling player is what you should do for every trade, deal, pick etc.

Look at us we have one in Embiid, yet we don’t even have a starting quality SG/PG. we have an argument to be the worst run org in the NBA not close.

That’s literally kid stuff we are talking about here. Like we really have 2/5 (Embiid + Green) of a starting unit.

High usage superstar/Low usage 3+D perfect.

Harris sucks next to Embiid, Ben just compounds the flaws on offense. Hence why this team is a perennial underachiever.

I mean honestly I would take Embiid + Bridges over anything right now that’s 2/5 right there.

Hawks + Suns took two bloody years to max out their ceilings.... we are going on 5 and pretty are at the beginning stages of building a correct team lol. Embiid and..... blank.

Nailed it.

[elchengue20]

Zion is a ticking bomb. 20 yrs old already with overweight, knee surgery and a broken foot. Also doesnt plays a lick of defense.

He could be awesome but it doesnt look his bodytype/gamestyle is sustainable at all.

I rather have Joel as a prospect, elite offense and defense. I think people doesnt value Joel like he deserves, we got Hakeem 2.0, but we failed miserably in building a team around him. We still got 2 or 3 seasons of prime Joel, we have to do wathever it takes to contend and win now, like Milwakee is doing with Giannis. Also the league is pretty much wide open right now, you dont have to face any unbeatable juggernaut.

[JRoy]

Your right he’s better than Giannis age for age and a level under Lebron.

61 games:

Avg: 27/4.5/3.7
61.1% FG
OWS 7.1
BPM 5.4 (non playoff team)
WS 8.7
WS/48.205

For a 20 year old that is amazing production.

U sure he’s half the player of Giannis/LBJ.

For me he’s a lot closer than people may think. Already is an elite offensive player.

He does put up some numbers when he plays.

How’s his defense?

I see basketball as a resource game with fitting pieces not so much a full team sport like (NFL, Baseball etc). I.e you have X amount of resources for Y dividends.

For example and a good one is Westbrook. Zero point in ever building a team around Westbrook because the dividend isn’t what you want to achieve. There goes all your resources at a 2nd rnd ceiling team maybe a CF if you’re very very lucky and things line up. Don’t care for outliers like that.

I see Zion as a Finals team as the head of the snake so to speak. With the right setup like the above with two 3&D’s and big rebounding production from both to offset Zion/Turner rebounding numbers. Turner + Covington (good blocking numbers for a wing) offsets the team defense to good (top 10 potential). Look at the space here.

Once again he’s the best finisher since Prime Giannis/Prime Lebron. Hulk go smash you can’t stop it.

Once again Jokic + Turner = Finals contender much higher upside than Jokic + MPJ. Why? Because it’s fixing a fundamental flaw that Jokic brings on defense. But on offense he’s already peaked as ATG

One player can’t bring a chip by themselves.

I believe Zion is already absurd offensive output. That’s one side already done. Space and interior defense and you are good to go.

How was Dirk’s/Magic’s defense? Didn’t matter dude ran ATG offense as the hub for a decade. What about Barkley?

No player is perfect but building a perfect team around a high ceiling player is what you should do for every trade, deal, pick etc.

Look at us we have one in Embiid, yet we don’t even have a starting quality SG/PG. we have an argument to be the worst run org in the NBA not close.

That’s literally kid stuff we are talking about here. Like we really have 2/5 (Embiid + Green) of a starting unit.

High usage superstar/Low usage 3+D perfect.

Harris sucks next to Embiid, Ben just compounds the flaws on offense. Hence why this team is a perennial underachiever.

I mean honestly I would take Embiid + Bridges over anything right now that’s 2/5 right there.

Hawks + Suns took two bloody years to max out their ceilings.... we are going on 5 and pretty are at the beginning stages of building a correct team lol. Embiid and..... blank.

Both GA and LeBron can be terrific defenders. Don’t see that in ZW.

Have real concerns that his health will not allow him to fill that role as #1 guy.

Time will tell.

[Negrodamus]

Do you guys think Malik Beasley (18 min, 6pts) is still available for Ben?

[spikeslovechild]

Do you guys think Malik Beasley (18 min, 6pts) is still available for Ben?

He is available for a lot less than Ben.

[spikeslovechild]

A lot of what I'm feeling is just disappointment. I really thought Ben was one of us and wanted to win here

Let's be honest he got ran out of town.
Ben clearly has the sense not to hang around where he is not wanted and packed up and moved to LA.
Also at least he has the integrity to burn pay cheques rather than faking an injury or claiming "mental health issues".

One of the benefits of trading Simmons is we lose his stans and apologists too

[DCasey91]

Zion is a ticking bomb. 20 yrs old already with overweight, knee surgery and a broken foot. Also doesnt plays a lick of defense.

He could be awesome but it doesnt look his bodytype/gamestyle is sustainable at all.

I rather have Joel as a prospect, elite offense and defense. I think people doesnt value Joel like he deserves, we got Hakeem 2.0, but we failed miserably in building a team around him. We still got 2 or 3 seasons of prime Joel, we have to do wathever it takes to contend and win now, like Milwakee is doing with Giannis. Also the league is pretty much wide open right now, you dont have to face any unbeatable juggernaut.

I’d rather have Embiid too (but not by a lot admittedly). Point I’m trying to make is to maximize your build around.

We haven’t done that with Embiid which is a disservice to our organization and to Embiid himself. I agree we have failed big time

We don’t actually know how great Embiid is until he gets a quality PG/SG/Wing.

I mean honestly its as simple as picking a championship team with an ATG center and literally peer review to the players today and build it.

CP3/Lowry/Dragic
Leonard/Tatum/Butler/Ingram
Embiid

It was that easy

[Sixerscan]

It's funny, the whole "mental health issues" would be a FASCINATING 'injury defense' if he plays that card.

It was already trotted out ... the batstuff-crazy Kyrie Irving busted it out during the - depending on your perspective- 'racial unrest' last year - or you know, when people were burning down police stations, setting up armed occupation zones and telling the cops they can't go in and we just let it happen lol - Irving just didn't play. Not feeling it ... he's sad... *and they still paid him* - and he just would not show up when he didn't feel like it... Sorry not sorry, not feeling it today, there are more important things than basketball, I'm gonna stay home and burn sage and have a nice hot cup of herbal tea...

So I could *totally* see Simmons pulling a Leon Commercial and saying "Coach, I think I just hurt my psyche, can't play..." and they get some hotshot lawyer to make the injury case.

I would laugh at it but it would make a fascinating "legal" case between the NBA, one of their teams, and a disgruntled player. It would be the next big issue. Last year was all about race- and the last thing they wanted was to look bad , this year could be all about mental health, another issue they would be terrified of looking bad on.

Boy that'd be a quick way to kill his valuation. FO discussions will be about how he's mentally unstable and, thus, unplayable in playoff situations. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, no team will look bad by not offering a ton for him.

The downsides to "mental health issues" as an injury would be 1) attempting that as an injury and failing (thus not getting paid), and 2) his legacy as a player. If he's sitting for over a year due to killing his value and being injured, then he's missing prime years of his play. Then again, maybe he doesn't really care about that if he's collecting a paycheck.

All that said, if he's really having a debilitating mental health decline, I truly hope he is able to make a full recovery.

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

[Sportfan73]

Boy that'd be a quick way to kill his valuation. FO discussions will be about how he's mentally unstable and, thus, unplayable in playoff situations. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, no team will look bad by not offering a ton for him.

The downsides to "mental health issues" as an injury would be 1) attempting that as an injury and failing (thus not getting paid), and 2) his legacy as a player. If he's sitting for over a year due to killing his value and being injured, then he's missing prime years of his play. Then again, maybe he doesn't really care about that if he's collecting a paycheck.

All that said, if he's really having a debilitating mental health decline, I truly hope he is able to make a full recovery.

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

With 4 years left at MAX MONEY

[Tomjas]

Boy that'd be a quick way to kill his valuation. FO discussions will be about how he's mentally unstable and, thus, unplayable in playoff situations. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, no team will look bad by not offering a ton for him.

The downsides to "mental health issues" as an injury would be 1) attempting that as an injury and failing (thus not getting paid), and 2) his legacy as a player. If he's sitting for over a year due to killing his value and being injured, then he's missing prime years of his play. Then again, maybe he doesn't really care about that if he's collecting a paycheck.

All that said, if he's really having a debilitating mental health decline, I truly hope he is able to make a full recovery.

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

[Sixerscan]

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

No they tried to trade him for one guy then didn't try to trade him the rest of the year, then a day after the season ended he apparently demanded a trade.

The only reason he "has no future here" is because he quit and there's a well-founded assumption that he refuses to address the shooting issue and people got sick of it after 6 years especially after it blew up in his face. If he showed up to the next preseason game showing that he's fixed his free throw problems and took 4 corner 3s the fans would welcome him back.

[Tomjas]

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

No they tried to trade him for one guy then didn't try to trade him the rest of the year, then a day after the season ended he apparently demanded a trade.

The only reason he "has no future here" is because he quit and there's a well-founded assumption that he refuses to address the shooting issue and people got sick of it after 6 years especially after it blew up in his face. If he showed up to the next preseason game showing that he's fixed his free throw problems and took 4 corner 3s the fans would welcome him back.

Fans are irrelevant

He was always going to be traded after that loss

[Sixerscan]

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

No they tried to trade him for one guy then didn't try to trade him the rest of the year, then a day after the season ended he apparently demanded a trade.

The only reason he "has no future here" is because he quit and there's a well-founded assumption that he refuses to address the shooting issue and people got sick of it after 6 years especially after it blew up in his face. If he showed up to the next preseason game showing that he's fixed his free throw problems and took 4 corner 3s the fans would welcome him back.

Fans are irrelevant

He was always going to be traded after that loss

Clearly he hasn't been traded yet.

If he's going to be traded it's because he's shown an unwillingness to grow from the loss while he's here. Instead of demanding a trade day 1, how about he begs Morey not to trade him like Iverson did before 01, promising he will make the needed changes? This is the #1 seed in the East he's asking out of. The issue for him is that would be swallowing too much pride.

If he's looking for an assurance that he's not going to be traded for another Harden... he should just be as good as Harden. This is the pros that's how it works. Sixers weren't looking to trade Iverson after 01.

[SixthStreet]

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

As far as I'm aware trades are a part of the NBA. Since when does the potential of being traded give any player latitude to quit showing up for their job? They are compensated with that uncertainty priced in.

[Tomjas]

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

As far as I'm aware trades are a part of the NBA. Since when does the potential of being traded give any player latitude to quit showing up for their job? They are compensated with that uncertainty priced in.

He’s not being paid atm so …

[76ciology]

Look at jordan poole and josh primo.

[erving4ever]

There was a report last week that Klutch was expecting that any proceeds from penalties that Ben misses will be recouped once he is traded. Today's report from the 76ers to not allow that might be a bitter pill for Klutch moving forward.

[Ballerhogger]

be interesting to see if ben caves since he wont be paid at all. Didnt receive his 8.2M. Keeping up with Kardashians aint cheap! Plays , fakes a injury pulls harden...

[76ciology]

Ben’s probably at home thinking how he could have padded his stat on this game and while also earned that money that he can buy another lambo with.