Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[sixers hoops]

But Harden does know, if he doesn't play for the Sixers this season, Sixers can block him from being free agent next summer?

That is not accurate. He doesn’t have to play for the Sixers to earn a year of service. He has to report to the team within 30 days of the start of camp. If he is “injured,” then he has to report but doesn’t have to play. He can be inactive and still fulfill his contractual obligation.

Similar to Ben Simmons, the Sixers are likely to fight a Cold War with Harden faking injuries and the Sixers contesting his injuries claims. Harden will try to be disruptive to expedite a trade and the Sixers will repeatedly suspend and fine him for conduct detrimental to the team. All of these actions will eventually be arbitrated.

Ultimately, neither side will benefit very much. The more Harden is unprofessional, the more the Sixers resolve to make him wait will be strengthened. And the longer they make him wait, the more Harden will ramp up his efforts to publicly control the Sixers news cycle with negative stories.

This is what happens when you ask a player to take a paycut behind the scenes and the details of the agreement are not clearly spelled out. If we have to take a below average return for Harden, it’s the price you pay for doing shady backroom business. However, if the clippers are only offering expiring contracts that won’t make the rotation anyway, then I don’t see much reason to make a deal. Those guys give you about the same as Harden not playing.

[Negrodamus]

The pay cut being for Tucker, House, and the tampering penalty losing a second is really the dumbest **** I’ve seen from the Sixers.

[Black Mage]

The pay cut being for Tucker, House, and the tampering penalty losing a second is really the dumbest **** I’ve seen from the Sixers.

Worse than a burner phone for your GM?

Worse than picking a guy who is supposed to shoot but goes 0-13 at the workout after already reports came out he performed poorly and then not looking into why your archival "gave" him to you?

Worse than trading away Mikal?

I could go on...

[FlyingArrow]

The pay cut being for Tucker, House, and the tampering penalty losing a second is really the dumbest **** I’ve seen from the Sixers.

Worse than a burner phone for your GM?

Worse than picking a guy who is supposed to shoot but goes 0-13 at the workout after already reports came out he performed poorly and then not looking into why your archival "gave" him to you?

Worse than trading away Mikal?

I could go on...

Wow. Losing Jimmy didn't even make your top 3.

[M2J]

Even if the Sixers offers him the max which they won’t this relationship is finished. I said it before hArden once he decides on something unfortunately he becomes to headstream for his own good

How do you see this playing out?

Seems like terrible decision making. His only 2 options to make the type of money he's looking for were short term deals with Morey or get traded to the richest owner in the league and actually over perform and win big... Unlikely.

His current stance paints him more into a corner. His actions are detrimental to the team, they could sit him and suspend him and save money when he acts out. If he just doesn't show up, same.... if he fakes an injury.... Who would trade for him or sign him next year?

Sixers were equipped for Harden you just leave, and hired a coach that could move them away from a ball dominant system.

Harden is his own worst enemy. He should buy in, upgrade his value and then get traded.

[NBD23]

The pay cut being for Tucker, House, and the tampering penalty losing a second is really the dumbest **** I’ve seen from the Sixers.

Worse than a burner phone for your GM?

Worse than picking a guy who is supposed to shoot but goes 0-13 at the workout after already reports came out he performed poorly and then not looking into why your archival "gave" him to you?

Worse than trading away Mikal?

I could go on...

Wow. Losing Jimmy didn't even make your top 3.

Ha, how sad is it that Jimmy credibly could not even make the top 3. For me that is #1 choosing Brett and Ben over Jimmy. In full transparency I was on board with the let Jimmy go scenario. However, as a fan, I had no way of knowing that Ben was soft.

[Warfelg]

Worse than a burner phone for your GM?

Worse than picking a guy who is supposed to shoot but goes 0-13 at the workout after already reports came out he performed poorly and then not looking into why your archival "gave" him to you?

Worse than trading away Mikal?

I could go on...

Wow. Losing Jimmy didn't even make your top 3.

Ha, how sad is it that Jimmy credibly could not even make the top 3. For me that is #1 choosing Brett and Ben over Jimmy. In full transparency I was on board with the let Jimmy go scenario. However, as a fan, I had no way of knowing that Ben was soft.

I still firmly believe that everything Jimmy says on that front is a lie. It was widely known in the league he wanted to be in Miami. He knows how to play that game better than most stars. Of course because it was the Colangelo era and they wanted Ben to be the star they weren’t going to refute that at all.


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[Ben]

Wow. Losing Jimmy didn't even make your top 3.

Ha, how sad is it that Jimmy credibly could not even make the top 3. For me that is #1 choosing Brett and Ben over Jimmy. In full transparency I was on board with the let Jimmy go scenario. However, as a fan, I had no way of knowing that Ben was soft.

I still firmly believe that everything Jimmy says on that front is a lie. It was widely known in the league he wanted to be in Miami. He knows how to play that game better than most stars. Of course because it was the Colangelo era and they wanted Ben to be the star they weren’t going to refute that at all.

Yeah, IMO losing Jimmy G. Buckets can't be counted among the most embarrassing Sixers moments b/c we don't know whether he really would have stayed if we'd jettisoned Simmons or whether Miami was a fait accompli.

[NBD23]

Ha, how sad is it that Jimmy credibly could not even make the top 3. For me that is #1 choosing Brett and Ben over Jimmy. In full transparency I was on board with the let Jimmy go scenario. However, as a fan, I had no way of knowing that Ben was soft.

I still firmly believe that everything Jimmy says on that front is a lie. It was widely known in the league he wanted to be in Miami. He knows how to play that game better than most stars. Of course because it was the Colangelo era and they wanted Ben to be the star they weren’t going to refute that at all.

Yeah, IMO losing Jimmy G. Buckets can't be counted among the most embarrassing Sixers moments b/c we don't know whether he really would have stayed if we'd jettisoned Simmons or whether Miami was a fait accompli.

I think more than anything he wanted the max on a team he thought he could contend with. I believe it was a choice because I could see him thinking with the right coach and Embiid at that time, he had a legitimate shot to win. I don't think he was lying but it sure is easier to say now that he would have stayed if the ultimatum was met.

I think it was valid to believe we should choose the younger Simmons and question whether or not Jimmy was worth the max at the time. Admittedly he did not fall of the cliff that I thought at the time he would.

[FireMorey]

Not letting Harden get his way is worth whatever damage he does to the Sixers this season. It would be the most satisfying thing to happen to the Sixers in years.

[mjkvol]

Would you guys rather have Harden on a 3-4 years max deal than be in this position were in now?

Im probably ok for a 2-3 year max deal that ends on 2024-2025 or 2025-2026 season. Where we get control most of our picks after that. The shorter contract the better it is

We then count on Maxey to step up and compensate to whatever decline Harden will have. Get another 6th man scorer that can be our back-up option if Harden starts falling off the rails.

For depth, I’d let Tobi go if needed cal flexibility. Then would make some smart signings with back-up or possibly play double big(cheapest and most abundant talent) then also combo guards (second most abundant talent)

By 2024-2025..

Maxey
Harden/6th man scorer (Lou Will type)
Melton? or Springer (interchangeable with Harden)
Reed
Embiid/cheap talent big (Drummond type)

We then continue this path while continuing developing chemistry until we luck ourselves into a championship window with talents falling into place and our guys playing their best basketball by playoffs.

Cheapest and most abundant talent in the league are bigs and combo guards. We just then need to focus on getting the best talent on these back-up positions where the big can play a big chunk of minutes if Biid goes absent then the 6th man scorer can play a big chunk of minutes if Harden goes absent.

But im not too firm on this and would love to here your thoughts

I'm happy just to move on at this point. My only focus would be picks and cap space for next summer.

[76ciology]

[NBD23]

Honestly at this point if you can get expiring that are somewhat useful may as well cut Harden. He can go see any he is worth on the market free. He wanted to opt in and cause trouble so he could have his cake and eat it too. Sixers don’t have to play that game as he is an expiring.

NBA should just stop doing guaranteed contracts next bargaining agreement and follow the NFL model.

[Warfelg]

Now other teams are pushing for the Sixers to be investigated again for this reported “lie” Morey told Harden.


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[mjkvol]

NBA should just stop doing guaranteed contracts next bargaining agreement and follow the NFL model.

Couldn't agree more, as it should be in all pro sports, but once the players associations got that it is something that will never, ever be let go. That would be the ultimate line in the sand.

[eyeatoma]

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Now we're ****.

[Warfelg]

NBA should just stop doing guaranteed contracts next bargaining agreement and follow the NFL model.

Couldn't agree more, as it should be in all pro sports, but once the players associations got that it is something that will never, ever be let go. That would be the ultimate line in the sand.

I would not care at all if the NBA went on a strike for a year via NHL to get a hard cap and flexibility in the cap operation. I’ve felt for years the dumbest thing for the NBA is that they are an over the cap league.


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[Stanford]

Do we all agree that if the league investigates and penalizes the organization for this, that Morey should be fired?

[Ben]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/15uolxg/stein_there_are_now_calls_for_the_league_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1

Now we're ****.

Eh, I dunno. First, I really doubt that the league finds anything damning/ actionable even if they do investigate. Second, if they do find something then Morey probably gets fired, and that might not be so bad in itself.

[the_process]

Do we all agree that if the league investigates and penalizes the organization for this, that Morey should be fired?

I’m already on board with canning Morey.

If they investigate for the same thing twice and penalize twice? I mean, that would be kinda insane. So I assume it’s Boston and the Knicks asking for the investigation for entirely selfish reasons.