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** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread **

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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1741 » by Arsenal » Tue May 28, 2024 3:44 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I wonder what the market difference will be for Gary Trent Jr. and Malik Monk this summer. Both questionable fits next to Maxey but could be fun 6th man options. Hard to justify $20 mil for a 6th man when we don’t even have starters though.


I'm hoping we can get Gary Trent as a SG starter for around $10-11m in year one. Assuming Nurse wants him of course.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1742 » by Stanford » Tue May 28, 2024 3:59 pm

Is that 3 firsts for Deni still available? Cause that's looking pretty, pretty good.

Throw in a fourth?
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Post#1743 » by FireMorey » Tue May 28, 2024 3:59 pm

Wasn't Trent one of the players who hated Nurse? Or was that someone else?
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Post#1744 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue May 28, 2024 4:53 pm

Paul George vs. Brandon Ingram (ages 20 - 26):

Spoiler:
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=ingrabr01&p1yrfrom=2018&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=georgpa01&p2yrfrom=2011&p2yrto=2017


Ingram advantages (rates):
Points, assists, blocks, turnovers (fewer), FTA, TS%, 2P%, overall FG%

George advantages (rates):
Rebounds, steals, 3PA, FT%

Tie:
3P%
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Grimes/Edgecombe/Gordon
Oubre/Edwards
George/Watford/Barlow
Embiid/Bona/Drummond/Broome
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Post#1745 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue May 28, 2024 5:06 pm

FireMorey wrote:Wasn't Trent one of the players who hated Nurse? Or was that someone else?


Yea did some digging and seems he had an issue with Nurse going public about his flaws.

Guess we'll have to go for the older free agent Gary who shoots fewer 3s.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1746 » by FireMorey » Tue May 28, 2024 5:56 pm

Windhorst:

"I think when you look at the options, I think the Lakers are still in a very, very strong position. I would be surprised if he's not a Laker.

"But it is fair to point out that Daryl Morey has been trying to sign LeBron for a decade now, multiple different opportunities, and of the teams that have a chance to win the championship next year, the only team with cap space that could offer LeBron a max contract is the 76ers. Other teams could do sign and trades, but the Lakers wouldn't have to cooperate.

"The 76ers are a threat. I don't think they're a serious threat, but certainly in the NBA, you never rule anything out."
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1747 » by Mik317 » Tue May 28, 2024 6:24 pm

another offseason of being used as leverage is what it sounds like lol
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Post#1748 » by FireMorey » Tue May 28, 2024 6:31 pm

All I know is if he strikes out on all targets this summer, Joshua Harris needs to do the right thing and fire him. Enough will have been enough at that point. And if not, and he really tries to do the soft punt again next season, then I sincerely hopes Embiid just demands a trade and blows up the whole operation. This dude has been here 4 years, he needs to come through. Especially when there's no longer the excuse of the previous GM sapping his resources. This was his plan that he punted an entire season on to accomplish. And FWIW, next year's free agent class might be worst than this year's if you remove all the guys who are most definitely going to re-sign with their current teams.
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Post#1749 » by Slacktard » Tue May 28, 2024 6:32 pm

Mik317 wrote:another offseason of being used as leverage is what it sounds like lol

Bronny rejected working out for 8 of the 10 teams who tried to schedule him for work-outs.

The two teams he accepted? Lakers and Suns.

Sun have no cap space. So it would most definitely be a "Why would the Lakers help LeBron go there by S&T?" LeBron and Rich Paul threaten signing with the Sixers outright as the alternative.

Sixers will just be a threat used by Rich Paul. He doesn't want to be in Philadelphia at all.
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Post#1750 » by mjkvol » Tue May 28, 2024 7:06 pm

I sincerely hope and believe that Morey has a better plan than begging old players to take $200 million and ending up being used as leverage, or worse yet having one of them sign here because they didn't get their way from an L.A. team.

Because if that and a Zack Lavine fallback option are his big plans after punting a season, then I really wish Harris would schiitcan him before any of this idiocy even begins.
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Post#1751 » by FireMorey » Tue May 28, 2024 7:19 pm

Reading the tea leaves from all the reports, this is my guesstimation on Morey's priority list in order:

[Sixers consider doable]
1. Sign Paul George

[Sixers desire, but consider unlikely]
2. Sign Lebron James
3. Trade for a splash superstar like Donovan Mitchell or Durant
4. Trade for Jimmy Butler
5. Sign OG Anunoby

[Sixers consider doable, but view as less appealing]
6. Trade for Brandon Ingram
7. Sign guys like Klay Thompson for 1+1 deals to keep flexibility.
8. Take on bad contracts with draft picks attached like Lavine.
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Post#1752 » by davesilver » Tue May 28, 2024 8:28 pm

FireMorey wrote:Reading the tea leaves from all the reports, this is my guesstimation on Morey's priority list in order:

[Sixers consider doable]
1. Sign Paul George

[Sixers desire, but consider unlikely]
2. Sign Lebron James
3. Trade for a splash superstar like Donovan Mitchell or Durant
4. Trade for Jimmy Butler
5. Sign OG Anunoby

[Sixers consider doable, but view as less appealing]
6. Trade for Brandon Ingram
7. Sign guys like Klay Thompson for 1+1 deals to keep flexibility.
8. Take on bad contracts with draft picks attached like Lavine.


Well put. Maybe add Mikal/Lauri trades to that second category.
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Post#1754 » by fkd215 » Tue May 28, 2024 9:19 pm

I'm curious to see how the new CBA affects the free agent market/offseason in general.

I'm guessing the max guys still their maxes, but the middle tier FAs might get lesser offers. Nobody but us is going to want to pay top dollar for a third star, especially after seeing what happened with the Suns. (The Tobias Harris-level players might be in for a rude awakening.) Also I'm imagining all the teams will be looking for bargain veteran minimum signings. Maybe the value for 1st round picks increases as teams look for low cost contributors? Maybe also there's more appreciation for draft picks who can contribute now, as opposed to high upside projects? Probably also some desperation trades as teams get close or above the 2nd apron. Who knows, but there will be a lot of hard-to-predict opportunities, I'd guess. I hope Morey is up to the gigantic task he set himself by ridding the team of almost all its players.
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Post#1755 » by youngcrev » Tue May 28, 2024 9:23 pm

Morey is the tamper God.
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Post#1756 » by youngcrev » Tue May 28, 2024 9:25 pm

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/p/sixers-trade-draft-night-2024-16th-pick

Fun article. I personally don't think Eason is a realistic get, but he'd be an amazing one. He's like the prototype of what I want next to Embiid at the 4.
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Post#1757 » by Arsenal » Tue May 28, 2024 10:31 pm

youngcrev wrote:https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/p/sixers-trade-draft-night-2024-16th-pick

Fun article. I personally don't think Eason is a realistic get, but he'd be an amazing one. He's like the prototype of what I want next to Embiid at the 4.


Yes Tari Eason is a guy I'd happily trade #16 for. The other guys on the list (Okoro, NAW, Dosunmu) no thanks.

OTOH very unlikely the Rockets do it unless there is someone they absolutely love sitting there available at #!6.
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Post#1758 » by Arsenal » Tue May 28, 2024 10:36 pm

Pacers preparing to MAX out Pascal Siakam. Zero reason we shouldn't do the same - offer him a MAX 3 + 1 (PO) for a real chance to win titles alongside Jo and Max:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275877/Pacers-Preparing-Max-Contract-Offer-To-Pascal-Siakam
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Post#1759 » by mjkvol » Tue May 28, 2024 10:51 pm

fkd215 wrote:I'm curious to see how the new CBA affects the free agent market/offseason in general.

I'm guessing the max guys still their maxes, but the middle tier FAs might get lesser offers. Nobody but us is going to want to pay top dollar for a third star, especially after seeing what happened with the Suns. (The Tobias Harris-level players might be in for a rude awakening.) Also I'm imagining all the teams will be looking for bargain veteran minimum signings. Maybe the value for 1st round picks increases as teams look for low cost contributors? Maybe also there's more appreciation for draft picks who can contribute now, as opposed to high upside projects? Probably also some desperation trades as teams get close or above the 2nd apron. Who knows, but there will be a lot of hard-to-predict opportunities, I'd guess. I hope Morey is up to the gigantic task he set himself by ridding the team of almost all its players.


There are going to be a boatload of opportunities beyond the tired options being beaten into the ground by the "insiders", who have zero imagination but need to generate clicks.

I'm very hopeful that Morey isn't as shortsighted as these "experts" believe he is, and all the "3rd star" max contract garbage is just a giant smokescreen.
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Post#1760 » by FireMorey » Tue May 28, 2024 10:55 pm

Arsenal wrote:Pacers preparing to MAX out Pascal Siakam. Zero reason we shouldn't do the same - offer him a MAX 3 + 1 (PO) for a real chance to win titles alongside Jo and Max:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275877/Pacers-Preparing-Max-Contract-Offer-To-Pascal-Siakam


How he played in the playoffs completely changed my opinion on him. He was a big reason why the Pacers choked to a soft loser Celtics team that tried everything in their power to blow that series. At the ends of games Siakam couldn't generate offense for them. He can't create his own shot, he's not an elite finisher, and he can't shoot. They gave the ball to him at the ends of games and he couldn't do anything. He'd either force ugly shots or try to create something, be stifled, and end up passing it off to someone else. I honestly want nothing to do with him after how he did in the playoffs in those types of spots, because those types of spots are the exact type of thing the Sixers are trying to correct. The Sixers are fine with Embiid and Maxey from minutes 1-40 of a baketball game. It's the last 8 minutes where they falter. And Siakam doesn't help in that regard. Of the two ex Raptors I'd honestly rather have OG because at least he can shoot the 3 and is an elite defender and he'd have a definitive role.

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