Where is Nerlens?

rzzzzz · Post #1761 » by **rzzzzz** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:59 pm

is tonight the night we see Embiid and Nerlens share the court?

Ericb5 · Post #1762 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:08 pm

rzzzzz wrote:is tonight the night we see Embiid and Nerlens share the court?

I'm sure we will, but we have already seen it a bit.

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Monix · Post #1763 » by **Monix** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:39 am

Seems appropriate to bump this tonight.

Where was the "elite" defensive C tonight vs Whiteside?

Quirky block and steal stats don't make you elite - he's a 6'11" Iverson, takes risks to get stats.

76ciology · Post #1764 » by **76ciology** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 9:49 am

Monix wrote:Seems appropriate to bump this tonight.

Where was the "elite" defensive C tonight vs Whiteside?

Quirky block and steal stats don't make you elite - he's a 6'11" Iverson, takes risks to get stats.

On all nights, he gambles a lot. In most nights, he has elite hands and athleticism that pays off more to most of his gambles.

He is a very good back-up player but its hard to see him being a main man of a contender at the C position.

He is still young though and from my experience, it's easier to gain weight than to lose it.

phifans · Post #1765 » by **phifans** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 10:41 am

76ciology wrote:
Monix wrote:Seems appropriate to bump this tonight.

Where was the "elite" defensive C tonight vs Whiteside?

Quirky block and steal stats don't make you elite - he's a 6'11" Iverson, takes risks to get stats.

On all nights, he gambles a lot. In most nights, he has elite hands and athleticism that pays off more to most of his gambles.

He is a very good back-up player but its hard to see him being a main man of a contender at the C position.

He is still young though and from my experience, it's easier to gain weight than to lose it.

Most of us believed he'll be a future DPOY after his rookie season. And now he seems to be satisfied embracing this backup role based on his performance recently.

76ciology · Post #1766 » by **76ciology** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 10:48 am

phifans wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Monix wrote:Seems appropriate to bump this tonight.

Where was the "elite" defensive C tonight vs Whiteside?

Quirky block and steal stats don't make you elite - he's a 6'11" Iverson, takes risks to get stats.

On all nights, he gambles a lot. In most nights, he has elite hands and athleticism that pays off more to most of his gambles.

He is a very good back-up player but its hard to see him being a main man of a contender at the C position.

He is still young though and from my experience, it's easier to gain weight than to lose it.

Most of us believed he'll be a future DPOY after his rookie season. And now he seems to be satisfied embracing this backup role based on his performance recently.

Current sentiment relative to his development after rookie season.

ankle420breaker · Post #1767 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 4:37 pm

Aside from a few games, I can't say I've been overly impressed with Noel this season. To me, his overall defensive intensity has left a lot to be desired.

As a shot blocker, he's been borderline lazy and his timing leaves me scratching my head at least once a game.

As a rebounder, he's simply not impactful. He may be a freak athlete, but he's shown to be an easy box out who gets pushed around inside.

He's been most effective guarding off the dribble using his quick hands to strip the ball or poke it loose. He uses his quickness quite well in these situations, but his thin frame makes him a pushover in the post where the big boys play. This has always been an issue for Nerlens and I'm under the opinion that he owes it to his teammates and coaching staff to fill out his frame so as to make himself more effective defensively. I can't help but to feel a bit discouraged that he's failed to make any significant progress since entering the league. Last night was just another example of him being physically outclassed.

I hear so many people crown him as a defensive savant, game changer, future DPOY, etc. I just don't see it. Nice role player, but for a guy who doesn't rebound and struggles to guard the likes of Robin Lopez I think he gets loads of unwarranted praise.

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rzzzzz · Post #1768 » by **rzzzzz** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:24 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Aside from a few games, I can't say I've been overly impressed with Noel this season. To me, his overall defensive intensity has left a lot to be desired.

admittedly, Noel looked better during those couple of weeks when Embiid caught fire and had the rest of the roster pumped up with his enthusiasm. maybe kind of like the boost that he got with the original acquisition and early return of the Fish. still believe he would be a good addition to a productive franchise already stacked with talent. as the anchor for a struggling franchise to build on: no so much.

Ericb5 · Post #1769 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:38 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Aside from a few games, I can't say I've been overly impressed with Noel this season. To me, his overall defensive intensity has left a lot to be desired.

As a shot blocker, he's been borderline lazy and his timing leaves me scratching my head at least once a game.

As a rebounder, he's simply not impactful. He may be a freak athlete, but he's shown to be an easy box out who gets pushed around inside.

He's been most effective guarding off the dribble using his quick hands to strip the ball or poke it loose. He uses his quickness quite well in these situations, but his thin frame makes him a pushover in the post where the big boys play. This has always been an issue for Nerlens and I'm under the opinion that he owes it to his teammates and coaching staff to fill out his frame so as to make himself more effective defensively. I can't help but to feel a bit discouraged that he's failed to make any significant progress since entering the league. Last night was just another example of him being physically outclassed.

I hear so many people crown him as a defensive savant, game changer, future DPOY, etc. I just don't see it. Nice role player, but for a guy who doesn't rebound and struggles to guard the likes of Robin Lopez I think he gets loads of unwarranted praise.

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I think that any hopes or expectations of him being a DPOY candidate some day include him putting on weight. If he could just get to 240-245 he would be so much better.

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Covington_33 · Post #1770 » by **Covington_33** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:07 pm

He's over rated in defense. No progression since more then a year. Too soft and not a high basketball IQ but for a year his concurrence was okafor so that's why he's over rated in defense. Now that We saw what Embiid can do, we are starting to realize all that about Noel.

Trade the guy. I like him but there's no point to keep him and sign him for big money

Negrodamus · Post #1771 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:23 pm

Covington_33 wrote:He's over rated in defense. No progression since more then a year. Too soft and not a high basketball IQ but for a year his concurrence was okafor so that's why he's over rated in defense. Now that We saw what Embiid can do, we are starting to realize all that about Noel.

Trade the guy. I like him but there's no point to keep him and sign him for big money

You like him? It sounds like you love the guy.

spikeslovechild · Post #1772 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 7:29 pm

Covington_33 wrote:He's over rated in defense. No progression since more then a year. Too soft and not a high basketball IQ but for a year his concurrence was okafor so that's why he's over rated in defense. Now that We saw what Embiid can do, we are starting to realize all that about Noel.

Trade the guy. I like him but there's no point to keep him and sign him for big money

His defense was always mostly hype. People were spending too much time paying attention to what he could do instead of what he wasn't doing mainly staying with his man, playing sound team defense (ie not mindlessly gambling for steals), boxing out for defensive rebounds.

I will say watching Embiid has been a real treat because he doesn't overhelp and gamble too often. He lets the game come to him on defense.

SparksFly87 · Post #1773 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 9:07 pm

Nerlens is definitely too small to be a starting C. If we want to sign him back I hope it is based on his ability to defend PF's , weakside shotblocker and hit 10-18 ft jumpers on a consistent basis next to Embiid as a starter. Why havent we seen more of him and embidd together? Embiid Noel Simmons Covington with draft pick like Josh Jackson/Ball/ Fultz /DSJ would be special.

Arsenal · Post #1774 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 9:23 pm

Noel has significantly improved his shooting. If he can continue to get better at that, and in time add a decent 3 pointer, he's a tremendous complement to Embiid. Quite frankly, Brett Brown should be playing them together more often. I think he isn't due to a mandate from the front office in the hopes that we get to resign him for a lesser price.

I see no reason at all that he can't play 10mpg with Embiid next year, while backing up Embiid at Center and starting when Embiid is out. That would get him up to around 30mpg in total and would justify his price.

SparksFly87 · Post #1775 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 9:30 pm

Back up?? He should start at 4 and slide to the 5 when Saric comes in. His best attributes is his defensive versatility. He and Embiids ability to shut down the paint while playing uptempo should be this teams calling card. I expect Embiid to play more of a PF role on offense and 5 on D. Noel a 5 on offense and 4 on D. He is too small strictly as a 5 other than small ball.

SparksFly87 · Post #1776 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:25 pm

Ideally to get the most out of Noel we should go with Simmons at 1 with covington and another wing with Noel and Embiid front court. Stifle opponents with our size and defense. Saric as 6th man stretch 4. Mcconell as Simmons back up.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1777 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:35 pm

Arsenal wrote:Noel has significantly improved his shooting. If he can continue to get better at that, and in time add a decent 3 pointer

Prokafor are extinct, but man this is even worse level of delusional.

SparksFly87 · Post #1778 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:41 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Noel has significantly improved his shooting. If he can continue to get better at that, and in time add a decent 3 pointer

Prokafor are extinct, but man this is even worse level of delusional.

Well he did improve his shooting. His form looks nice. He has shown ability to hit open J's. I also have seen him hit a clean 3 once but it didnt count...

Ericb5 · Post #1779 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:41 am

SparksFly87 wrote:Nerlens is definitely too small to be a starting C. If we want to sign him back I hope it is based on his ability to defend PF's , weakside shotblocker and hit 10-18 ft jumpers on a consistent basis next to Embiid as a starter. Why havent we seen more of him and embidd together? Embiid Noel Simmons Covington with draft pick like Josh Jackson/Ball/ Fultz /DSJ would be special.

If Noel stays I think that we will see him and Embiid together for stretches, but ultimately I think he has proven that he is a center.

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Arsenal · Post #1780 » by **Arsenal** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:31 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Noel has significantly improved his shooting. If he can continue to get better at that, and in time add a decent 3 pointer

Prokafor are extinct, but man this is even worse level of delusional.

Great take genius. Here, process this - Noel shooting stats:

14-15: .462 FG, .609 FT, .493 TS
15-16: .521 FG, .590 FT, .544 TS
16-17: .591 FG, .708 FT, .620 TS