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[LongLiveHinkie]

Yeah let's trade for George and watch him leave after next year lol. Come on man. If George wants to play here, we can sign him out right next off seasons for nothing. If he doesn't, trading for him by giving up assets wouldn't change that.

Not if someone else trades for him and locks him up long-term.

George was excellent today. Pacers came oh so close to stealing game one. Superstar coming up big in the playoffs.

The only question is.... did his VORP or win shares suggest he had a good game?????

[XtremeDunkz]

George isn't going to sign an extension anywhere. He is going to see what's out there in FA. It's pretty cut and dry.

[HotelVitale]

The only question is.... did his VORP or win shares suggest he had a good game?????

May be getting old but don't get the lolz. He played really well so yeah his VORP would be pretty awesome for today's game. That's what advanced stats generally do?

[LongLiveHinkie]

They are misleading more often than not. If advanced stats suggest that Paul George didn't have a good year this season, then it's time for advanced stats to be put to bed. Paul George was excellent all season.

[Ericb5]

I would trade the package that we were rumored to have offered for him if he extended with us as a condition. If that wouldnt be possible then I'll pass.


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[76ciology]

Watch Cavs in the play-offs they like to take advantage of LBJ against opponents PG.

Now against the Pacers. Cavs were relentless on attacking Monta or Teague on LBJ, since Pacers tries to limit their 3 game (Cavs are probably the best 3pt shooting team).

I see us doing the same with Simmons and our shooters. If we can be relentless in abusing opponents PGs, it gives us a favorable dimension in collapsing opponents D.

Simmons maybe a flawed scorer, but he will be lethal on a 1-3 PnR.

[Unbreakable99]

Watch Cavs in the play-offs they like to take advantage of LBJ against opponents PG.

Now against the Pacers. Cavs were relentless on attacking Monta or Teague on LBJ, since Pacers tries to limit their 3 game (Cavs are probably the best 3pt shooting team).

I see us doing the same with Simmons and our shooters. If we can be relentless in abusing opponents PGs, it gives us a favorable dimension in collapsing opponents D.

Simmons maybe a flawed scorer, but he will be lethal on a 1-3 PnR.

Simmons will be a flawed scorer for the first few seasons until he hopefully improves his jump shot. Look at Giannis. He's great and he still isn't a consistent outside shooter. He has long arms and should be illegal because they are like go go gadget inspector gadget arms. His long arms give him an unfair advantage. He is a great finisher around the basket so that's just proof you can still be great if you are not a consistent jump shooter. LeBron still struggles too and he's an all time great. As long as Simmons can finish well close to the basket he will be fine. Simmons also seems to be a better dribbler and ball handler than Giannis so he should be able to penetrate a little better. If he draws fouls and can finish then he should be able to have a good shooting percentage. He also is a better passer than Giannis. Simmons just has to get on the court and show it.

[HotelVitale]

They are misleading more often than not. If advanced stats suggest that Paul George didn't have a good year this season, then it's time for advanced stats to be put to bed. Paul George was excellent all season.

They said he was very good but had distinctly better seasons before the injury. The basic advanced stats had him as maybe the 25th best player this year, used to be more like 8th or 10th a few years back. Pretty sure that's what ppl were saying about him during trade talks. (I would also hold off on gloating about this being the 'real Paul George' since he shot 6/8 on 3s the other day and that's obviously not who he is as a shooter. He had a really good game, but we'll have to see the rest of his postseason to know what he can do when going all out these days.)

[Sixerscan]

George had some pretty long stretches this year where he was either injured or off his game. Forget advanced stats for a sec, in the month of February he averaged 18 ppg on 39% shooting. Like how does that happen? And his team lost 7 games in a row at one point during that. I don't think that bad month is reflective of who he is as a player but it happened. But don't blame WARP or whatever for his inconsistent year. And up until a few weeks ago he just flat out wasn't trying as hard on defense as he used to. The guy that's playing right now is the guy we have come to expect.

[76thBearCub]

I think Paul George knows he isn't playing on a contender in Indy, so he sometimes mails it in. It's very rare for an elite athlete to be wired like MJ or Kobe.

But when he is fully engaged, he has shown he can play with the very best.

[LongLiveHinkie]

They are misleading more often than not. If advanced stats suggest that Paul George didn't have a good year this season, then it's time for advanced stats to be put to bed. Paul George was excellent all season.

They said he was very good but had distinctly better seasons before the injury. The basic advanced stats had him as maybe the 25th best player this year, used to be more like 8th or 10th a few years back. Pretty sure that's what ppl were saying about him during trade talks. (I would also hold off on gloating about this being the 'real Paul George' since he shot 6/8 on 3s the other day and that's obviously not who he is as a shooter. He had a really good game, but we'll have to see the rest of his postseason to know what he can do when going all out these days.)

If advanced stats said he's the 25th best in the league, then it's laughable. Anyone who knows even s tiny bit about the game knows George is way better than that.

[Sixerscan]

They are misleading more often than not. If advanced stats suggest that Paul George didn't have a good year this season, then it's time for advanced stats to be put to bed. Paul George was excellent all season.

They said he was very good but had distinctly better seasons before the injury. The basic advanced stats had him as maybe the 25th best player this year, used to be more like 8th or 10th a few years back. Pretty sure that's what ppl were saying about him during trade talks. (I would also hold off on gloating about this being the 'real Paul George' since he shot 6/8 on 3s the other day and that's obviously not who he is as a shooter. He had a really good game, but we'll have to see the rest of his postseason to know what he can do when going all out these days.)

If advanced stats said he's the 25th best in the league, then it's laughable. Anyone who knows even s tiny bit about the game knows George is way better than that.

And I think that anyone who knows even a tiny bit about advanced stats knows that advanced stats are an attempt to measure someone's on court production, not ability. (Although the former can often times be a proxy for the latter)

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that advanced stats can account for stuff like a guy going on cruise control for weeks at a time. Of course George when on he is one of the ~10 best players in the game. But being off in lala land does have its consequences. I'm sure the Pacers wish they won a few more games and were facing the Wizards or Raptors right now instead of the Cavs.

[76ciology]

Well, I think Paul George will be great with BB's system where he won't be asked to create a lot on offense. Defensively, having PG+RoCo with Biid or Holmes also looks great on paper.

[Kobblehead]

Jimmy Butler >>>>>> Paul George

[cksdayoff]

i want to know what we have in simmons before we add a star player

[LongLiveHinkie]

They said he was very good but had distinctly better seasons before the injury. The basic advanced stats had him as maybe the 25th best player this year, used to be more like 8th or 10th a few years back. Pretty sure that's what ppl were saying about him during trade talks. (I would also hold off on gloating about this being the 'real Paul George' since he shot 6/8 on 3s the other day and that's obviously not who he is as a shooter. He had a really good game, but we'll have to see the rest of his postseason to know what he can do when going all out these days.)

If advanced stats said he's the 25th best in the league, then it's laughable. Anyone who knows even s tiny bit about the game knows George is way better than that.

And I think that anyone who knows even a tiny bit about advanced stats knows that advanced stats are an attempt to measure someone's on court production, not ability. (Although the former can often times be a proxy for the latter)

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that advanced stats can account for stuff like a guy going on cruise control for weeks at a time. Of course George when on he is one of the ~10 best players in the game. But being off in lala land does have its consequences. I'm sure the Pacers wish they won a few more games and were facing the Wizards or Raptors right now instead of the Cavs.

I agree... which is why I find it both annoying and insufferable when I see people say things like "No, Player X is not a top 10 player, because he doesn't have a top 10 VORP, etc etc" it's just stupid and that's not even how advanced metrics were meant to be used anyway. They are meant to give context to players, not define their abilities.

[Unbreakable99]

Jimmy Butler >>>>>> Paul George

Individually he might be better than George but as far as fit I'd rather have PG. George is a better 3 point shooter. I think he would be a better fit. Also all the stories about how Butler is hard to get along with concern me. He might not gel with Simmons and Embiid on a personal level.

[Kobblehead]

Paul George doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation with his teammates and coaches.

[76ciology]

Watch Cavs in the play-offs they like to take advantage of LBJ against opponents PG.

Now against the Pacers. Cavs were relentless on attacking Monta or Teague on LBJ, since Pacers tries to limit their 3 game (Cavs are probably the best 3pt shooting team).

I see us doing the same with Simmons and our shooters. If we can be relentless in abusing opponents PGs, it gives us a favorable dimension in collapsing opponents D.

Simmons maybe a flawed scorer, but he will be lethal on a 1-3 PnR.

Simmons will be a flawed scorer for the first few seasons until he hopefully improves his jump shot. Look at Giannis. He's great and he still isn't a consistent outside shooter. He has long arms and should be illegal because they are like go go gadget inspector gadget arms. His long arms give him an unfair advantage. He is a great finisher around the basket so that's just proof you can still be great if you are not a consistent jump shooter. LeBron still struggles too and he's an all time great. As long as Simmons can finish well close to the basket he will be fine. Simmons also seems to be a better dribbler and ball handler than Giannis so he should be able to penetrate a little better. If he draws fouls and can finish then he should be able to have a good shooting percentage. He also is a better passer than Giannis. Simmons just has to get on the court and show it.

My guess is Giannis is a guy who will force his will unto the defense in the paint. BS is a guy who will look to draw foul or kick it out to open shooters (he's a much better passer). BS touch around the paint needs to improve and its non negotiable IMO.

[76ciology]

Will opponents sag off on Ben Simmons at perimeter and go under him on screens when they defend him?

My guess is he'll back down his defender to counter this.

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